GEORGIA

[Khevsur]

I assume all elite units in 11-12th centuries were using kite shields then

And, maybe i just replace some helmets with this one for example

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Assuming that still early or mid 13 century

in near future i upload 13-14 th century georgian nobles helmets, armors ,weapons and other details for you.

[Khevsur]

boys. How many periods are there in the game? Are the periods changing in the game? I want to work according to game periods. Because I love historical accuracy.I respect this game and I do not want to be inaccurate.



Early period . start 1132- end ....?
high period - start ...- end ....?
Late period - start ...- end ....?



Georgian medieval army is these periods .

900-1235 Byzantine -Kipchak influence
1236-1350 Mongolian influence
1351-1550 Timurids influence

[Khevsur]

Details of the Georgian army of 1236s - 1350s

Medieval Georgian Dismounted Noble Warrior 13th-14 th century






Helmet

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For Nobles ( Chukhchi , Tadzreuli, Aznauri ) Crate helmet With nose protection and with golden color ornaments. For Low class warriors (Msakhureuli, Metsikhovne ) create Chain-mail Coif, also simple helmet Without golden color ornaments,without nose protection and with fabric coif. for mtieli swordsmens create only chain mail coif and east highlanders traditional fur hats )







































Metsikhovne with simply helmet and with leather coif

Armor

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Remove scale armor. Leave the lamellar and chain-mail armors . for nobles Add a breast protective plate. Add extra chain-mail protection for chest.


Round chest Discs on Chain mail armors

Shield

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shields do not change for Mtieli and Svans

Spear

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Spears for Cavalry

Swords , Mace and Dagger

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bow, quiver And other details of the bow

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After the Mongols, in georgia had a Mongolian bow and mongolian closed quiver https://www.atarn.org/islamic/bede/closed_quiver.htm
















It had a similar shape












wood bows and quiver for peasants

Some details about the Georgian army of the period 900-1235

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Infantry warriors have low boots. cavalry warriors have high boots






Some low-class warriors (msakhureuli , metsikhovne ) have this detail on their feets



you can create saint george Image on these helmets on golden ornaments. St. George was the patron of medieval Georgian Army






lamelar armor Low protection for cavalry


lamelar armor Low protection for dismounted version warriors




Various lamellar armors



















Other helmets for Georgian soldiers 900-1235


















Another shield

I edited my post

[Khevsur]

East Georgian Highlander - Mtieli






Helmets and Hats

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Armors and Clothes

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shins protection










leather shoes





Knitted shoes




















Socks



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for ornaments
https://www.facebook.com/Georgian-Ha...886152/photos/
https://www.facebook.com/GeorgianHoroli

weapons and shields

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Shields


Iron-reinforced leather 33-36 sm Diameter round shields































Swords

900-1235 swords












1236-1550 swords

face of mtieli warrior

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxvUZ4mY47w

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East highlanders Coat of Arms

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do not use arms and leg plate protections in early-high period 900-1350. use only 1350+ , Misiurka helmet use only 1550+


also not create fur hat and chain mail armor combination. create fur hat and fur-clothing combination.

also create chain mail hat and fur-clothing combination. also create chain mail hat and chain mail armor combination.

[umbracatervae777]

Aznauri units reworked

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Ignore the horses, i haven't made the horse armor yet

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[Khevsur]

Aznauri units reworked

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Ignore the horses, i haven't made the horse armor yet

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1. edit this helmet like this. It has a narrow arch

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2.Delete these items. Georgians did not have this protection

3.Can you create this shield boss like this

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Can you create this georgian dagger?

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[umbracatervae777]

1, 3, and 4. A minor correction, i may do that for a long term

2. That are inspired by some of your artwork, those are look old. Maybe you draw it by mistake back then?

[Nemesis2345]

They look very good , keep the good work umbra!

[Khevsur]

Just slightly widen the helmet arch. According to the human face

It is better to create helmets as it is in my uploaded pictures.


Make the ends of the straight swords slightly pointed

[kostic]

@umbracatervae: I want to congratulate you on the quality of your work !!! Our friend Khevsur is very picky about the details, but your work already brings another vision of the Georgia faction that it did not have until then. That's great !


Maybe leg and forearm protections should only appear after upgrading armor ?
In any case, I would integrate your new units in the mod with pleasure when you judge with Khevsur that they are ready.

[Khevsur]

kostic




The details create historical accuracy and original visuals.
In the period 900-1350 in Georgia was only chain mail protection of the leg and wrist .


He and I agreed, we just work together.umbracatervae777 -
He is a good person and I appreciate him

[umbracatervae777]

Pay attention that the final output won't be 100% accurate due to engine limitations and probably gameplay tweaks. But i'm trying to be closely accurate as i can.

[Jurand of Cracow]

Aznauri units reworked

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Ignore the horses, i haven't made the horse armor yet

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I'm really interested in the Foot Aznauri! This is a unit we lack in the SSHIP: foot version of the noble unit.

Another unit that's lacking are the highlanders armed with axes without any armour. Cheap light units, made out of ordinary people coming from the mountains. Perhaps the name would be Glekhi. It doesn't exist but we need it.

[umbracatervae777]

I'm really interested in the Foot Aznauri! This is a unit we lack in the SSHIP: foot version of the noble unit.

Another unit that's lacking are the highlanders armed with axes without any armour. Cheap light units, made out of ordinary people coming from the mountains. Perhaps the name would be Glekhi. It doesn't exist but we need it.

Glekhi is already in concept in my build roster. However, for the weapon probably i will give either light spear or axe, or maybe both

[Jurand of Cracow]

In my opinion the highlanders were more accustomed to axes. From the point of view of the mod: we have Metsikhovne unit armed with spears, but no unit armed with axes. The distinction between primary and secondary weapon is a bit blurry in practice of the Medieval 2 engine. It does make sense for the missiles (bows + knifes, or crossbows + swords) but little when a unit has both weapons for the melee.
So I'd go for the axes.

[Khevsur]

umbracatervae777

Of course it is difficult to be 100% accurate, we only need elementary accuracy.
I agree with you about the peasants.



Jurand of Cracow

So much the better- highlanders were who they are. Medium infantry - Professional fencers, with swords and small shields. some with Chain-mail light armor, some with fur hat and fur vest. highlander were not peasants,They were free warrior people.They did not look like the Scottish Highlander axemans.The highlander warrior is a Georgian medieval warrior face, please do not distort it.

also Svanian Warriors Are without armor and short spear


Peasant light spearmens and pesant archers is not enough? Georgian peasants used spears to stop Asian cavalry and used bows.


You can add twohanded short spears and add twohanded axes for Peasants

[Jurand of Cracow]

There're no Peasant light spearmen in game, and I we need a kind of such unit. I think it should be armed with axes. I may not be called highlander. For one- or two-handed axes, watch this video. Very insightful for all times.

[umbracatervae777]

I'm probably choose axe, and give Glekhi an axe like this (picture on top). Since spear militia unit already covered by Metsikhovne Spearmen

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[Khevsur]

There're no Peasant light spearmen in game, and I we need a kind of such unit. I think it should be armed with axes. I may not be called highlander. For one- or two-handed axes, watch this video. Very insightful for all times.

In picture Is painted rebellious people





Create:


Peasant Spearmen with Shields , With average length and wide Blade Spears
Peasant Archers, with bow and dagger
Peasant Axemans , with two handed axes



umbracatervae777
These are axes of the late period 16th-17th c , These are household tools

according to Georgian military historian Mamuka Tsurtsumia - medieval georgian axes were two handed and It looked like the axes of the Varangians. Georgians had contact with the Varangians and the Vikings . Once the Georgians defeated the Vikings

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Sasireti
http://warfare.6te.net/12/Georgian-J...pels-12thC.htm

[Jurand of Cracow]

I'm probably choose axe, and give Glekhi an axe like this (picture on top). Since spear militia unit already covered by Metsikhovne Spearmen

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yep, the small axe (3 or 5) would be good. Plus a medium-sized round shield - as scholagladiatoria has described, on the battlefield axes are used with shields.