How will the end of support for the current TW Launcher affect DEI?

[Artannis Wolfrunner]

I saw that CA is ending support for the old TW Launcher, and this is going to severely affect any mods that edit start positions. I'm not familiar with modding in TW, is this going to affect DEI and if so will it be significant?

[Leonardo]

Athos187 is saying the same thing as you are, so I asked him if he could post more information about this.

https://www.twcenter.net/forums/show...1#post15856434

[Demosthenes26]

Have they still not fixed the load order issue either? I went back to the old launcher as soon as that issue became apparent, but this is the first I've heard about custom startpos being impossible going forward - that's a huge deal.

[Dresden]

In the new launcher you can compile a startpos with Rome 2 (although it seems to hang/stop but it does work...sometimes). In Attila you can't. It is a problem, though, for mods making new startpos files for sure. Hopefully they address that problem going forward.

For submods it will be a huge issue. For many people the load order doesn't work in the new launcher, so they have to use the old one for many submods to operate properly. This will effectively kill that workaround.

[Dresden]

It seems they listened and are at least postponing the removal https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/co...42u/?context=3

[NorthernXY]

Just started using my own user.scipt.txt file.

[Beedo83]

Seems their more recent games aren't very modable anyway which is probably why this is happening. They shouldn't be affecting their older games in this way but because everything 'has' to be on the same launcher which I'm sure has everything to do with increasing sales of all their products, everyone gets screwed over as the major reason their older games are still alive is because of mods!

[Daruwind]

Actually no. Every game is somehow similar yet different. Newer games like Wh2 are actually more moddable then R2 and this problem is related to Assembly Kit. Basically manual modding is not influenced at all. I don´t watch 3K modding as Wh2 but I´m pretty sure it is quite a lot things that were lately added via advanced scripting and AS is as well more open for modding. But if under modding we are talking about moddable campaign map and nothing else then yes,it is still restricted...

[Leonardo]

Post split from this thread and merged here.

[Beedo83]

Actually no. Every game is somehow similar yet different. Newer games like Wh2 are actually more moddable then R2 and this problem is related to Assembly Kit. Basically manual modding is not influenced at all. I don´t watch 3K modding as Wh2 but I´m pretty sure it is quite a lot things that were lately added via advanced scripting and AS is as well more open for modding. But if under modding we are talking about moddable campaign map and nothing else then yes,it is still restricted...

I was referring specifically to larger overhaul mods such as those available for titles pre-Warhammer series. How do you mean that WH2 is more moddable? I haven't touched it in over a year but last I saw aside from making battle maps and adding units/stat changes, not much else could be changed. If they are making their games more flexible for modders then I am very mistaken as I genuinely thought that overhaul mods were starting to dwindle with the newer Total War titles.

[Daruwind]

I was referring specifically to larger overhaul mods such as those available for titles pre-Warhammer series. How do you mean that WH2 is more moddable? I haven't touched it in over a year but last I saw aside from making battle maps and adding units/stat changes, not much else could be changed. If they are making their games more flexible for modders then I am very mistaken as I genuinely thought that overhaul mods were starting to dwindle with the newer Total War titles.

Wh(s) Assembly Kits for example allows you to do more stuff than older R2/Attila AS. For example we can set any number of building slots in cities and build new startpos that way.

CA is pretty active on C&C discord for example, even some feedback made it into Wh2 especially for scripters. I can list dozens example just latest one is https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfil...42&searchtext=

I don´t care about big overhaul mods as those are not my cup of tea but i´m talking about mods adding new features and mechanics and improving game. But still you can go and look for yourself SFO mod for example that is overhaul even in your eyes probably. See question is, if we are talking about total overhaul like doing Tolkien on every game, there are multiple things that can be overhauled and improved even for Vanilla game. DeI, Ancient Empires, SFO - those happily use base campaign map.

[Beedo83]

Wh(s) Assembly Kits for example allows you to do more stuff than older R2/Attila AS. For example we can set any number of building slots in cities and build new startpos that way.

CA is pretty active on C&C discord for example, even some feedback made it into Wh2 especially for scripters. I can list dozens example just latest one is https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfil...42&searchtext=

I don´t care about big overhaul mods as those are not my cup of tea but i´m talking about mods adding new features and mechanics and improving game. But still you can go and look for yourself SFO mod for example that is overhaul even in your eyes probably. See question is, if we are talking about total overhaul like doing Tolkien on every game, there are multiple things that can be overhauled and improved even for Vanilla game. DeI, Ancient Empires, SFO - those happily use base campaign map.

I see! Thank you, I really had no idea that CA was enabling these new things that really is great news. Appreciate you taking the time to clear that up

[Ptolemaios Soter]

I would highly recommend this custom launcher for anyone. All the more so if CA is ending support for the current one. https://github.com/Kaedrin/warhammer-mod-manager

[Dresden]

So I have to take back what I said earlier, the startpos processing bug seems to be affecting Rome 2 now as well with the new launcher.

[Daruwind]

https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/co...42u/?context=3

CA noted problem and will wait with old launcher removal until it is fixed..

[caratacus]

https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/co...42u/?context=3

CA noted problem and will wait with old launcher removal until it is fixed..

Have been using the old launcher for months without issue. Now today, the new launcher appears and the previous one discontinued. Result - cannot play either Attila or Rome, with the message appearing "Your mod data appears to be corrupted. All mods have been deactivated" and a loading bar spinning around and around. Tried everything short of re-installing the games but to no avail. Thanks CA, your skill at resolving issues is unmatched.

[Gasmio]

Hello team i do not want the old TW launcher to be removed, why they leave it us it is and remove the other patches!
CA the new mod launcher need a rework!
Why they put a program that has the list of the mods so you can pick whichever you wont 1st or last on the mod list.
So simple i can't understand why they make it so hard!
Lastly if they remove the old TW launcher its going to be disastrous for DEI!!!

[Dresden]

It is unfortunate.

You can try deleting the app data launcher folder, I am not sure what else to try.

[Mastergunner_19k]

I too noticed yesterday that the Launcher had changed the old TW launcher seems to be gone, however all I had to do to make my saved Campaign work is to manually put my subscribed mods in order to load correctly and my Campaign loaded just fine...I spend a good 4 hours gaming without any crashes or other weird hickups. I do not know if I just got lucky and the Launcher 'allowed' me to continue playing DEI as intended or if other players have anything odd going on in their settings maybe. I know this is not helping anyone, just wanted to give a small positive message that apparently the new Launcher might just work as intended.

[malachi82]

I'm using Kaedrin`s launcher (which makes a script file) and haven`t used the official launcher in ages. So what´s the problem with it? By the looks of it, you can order your mods. Does it not work properly?