[Experimental Battle Pack] - Episode IV - A New Hope (Obsolete)

[KAM 2150]

Good point Falco and I forgot to mention it anywhere above.

At the moment horse charge is mostly dictated by unit mass. Cavalry units use mass based on their horse entry so it works like this, the lower unit speed is, the bigger mass is. A lot of horse entries are shared between units so you might change it for one cavalry unit but it will also affect every single other cavalry unit with that horse entry, even if their models are different. For example both unarmoured and half cataphract horse can be assigned with very heavy horse entry.

This is one of issues I want to adress in this battle pack but it will take me a bit of time as it is easy to mess it up.

Other cool thing is that I want to add a lot more immersion to different types of ancient horses. For example Thessalian horses will have a custom entry that will both have a rather high speed and high mass. Since we cant display mass, people mostly link it with unit speed so seeing a unit like Hetairoi with high speed might look like they have low mass. To avoid this, I plan to add custom abilites that will have a horse breed and its characteristics in the description in similar way how Stamina works.

[KAM 2150]

Small update released:
-elephant mass increased a bit
-light and medium cavalry should be a bit better at rear charges
-added new "Thessalian" horse entry, that combines both speed and charge power
-fixed bugged entry for Celtic chariots that rendered them invisible
-added bonus vs infantry for swords
-small buff to mace AP damage, nerf to mace base damage
-axe base damage slightly lowered
-increased stamina of late Oathsworn

[Iskandar]

Given what Jake said, am I right to assume that this submod will clash with the Hardcore (CAI / No CAI) submod wrt to the unit costs? Or is the increased cost in Hardcore done through some global multiplier that will simply increase the experimental battle pack prices proportionally?

[Jake Armitage]

Given what Jake said, am I right to assume that this submod will clash with the Hardcore (CAI / No CAI) submod wrt to the unit costs? Or is the increased cost in Hardcore done through some global multiplier that will simply increase the experimental battle pack prices proportionally?

It is fully compatible with hardcore 'cause, as you said, the pack has global multipliers (and not individually set into land_units_tables)

[Achilles Lacedaemon]

The new battle pack is simply marvelous in many aspects, I will post a more detailed review in the future.

[Gasmio]

Great work guys!!

[Paladin94610]

I'd like to make a suggestion. There are some shock cav who functions as horse archers but they stand and shoot. They are well handled by a human player but AI does not know how it works. So these shock cav stand and shoot and wait to get charged by human player. Very easy win. Not to mention they do not skirmish (since they are classed as shock cav).
They should be classed as skirmisher cav or like what you did with Elephants, their missiles should be changed to precursors.

[Jurand of Cracow]

KAM - I've seen you commenting in the MKTW thread. So perhaps you've played a battle there. Maybe you can share your thoughts about the differences have you noticed as compared to the DeI or the Attila base?

(ehm, it's a politically correct version of the question "what do you think about the battle system in the MKTW" ;-)

[Falco]

Finally been able to play a bit, I like it so far, battles feel alot more "up in the air" and dynamic.

[sanjayraj85]

So........I am going to do what they call a "pro-d*** move"
When will this will be added to main mod?

[Suas]

What does everyone think about javelin pre-cursors? I find them really useful, but atleast against Rome, they literally wipe one or two units out of my line while approaching theirs, even worse if they are on the offensive and I'm playing greeks. Just curious what your thoughts are.<br><br>As for the pack, so far so good, battles feel really good, specially cavalry. Haven't found anything close to bugs or weird behaviour yet. Today I should siege Roma in my campaign, will try to get some good siege equipment going and get a nice battle to see how it works.

[NorthernXY]

Found my answer, think I'll just stick with 1.6.1 Testudo.

[NorthernXY]

Found my answer, think I'll just stick with 1.6.1 Testudo.

I don't know if it's DeI or all my submods (only Testudo alters scripts) but not playing for a while, looking at Seleucid roster, the top 2 pikemen were so different they may have well been different melee types. Going to focus on making logical alternate history units and scripting reforms (want a mod where each faction can have 10+ if they fulfill certain different requirements). Since everybody is loving this, will probably use it as a guide for unit design/stats.

[Jurand of Cracow]

-lowered hidden javelin bonus vs infantry from 5 to 3 damage

KAM, I actually haven't heard about these "hidden" bonuses. What does it mean? (they don't appear in the stats?) What are other hidden ones?
BTW, I really like that numerical information is added on the unit in-battle info now (on fatigue and morale).

[KAM 2150]

New patch is out

-small mass, morale and HP reduction for ranged units, nothing major but they should rout easier
-small increase to flanking (from -5 to -7) and rear (from -15 to -18) morale penalties
-bottom tier melee weapons have their AP damage reduced by 1
-javelin ammo increased by +1
-lowered hidden javelin bonus vs infantry from 5 to 3 damage
-lowered sling base damage from 7 to 5; AP is the same

I'd like to make a suggestion. There are some shock cav who functions as horse archers but they stand and shoot. They are well handled by a human player but AI does not know how it works. So these shock cav stand and shoot and wait to get charged by human player. Very easy win. Not to mention they do not skirmish (since they are classed as shock cav).
They should be classed as skirmisher cav or like what you did with Elephants, their missiles should be changed to precursors.

Thanks, I forgot that part! Luckily fix is easy as I just need to move them to other class or take away ranged attack, I might decide depending on a unit. Precursor bows also sound neat but I might need to test it first

BTW your new, mesmerizing and frightening picture alone could make me changing back to DeI stats as you demand, and also create nightmares possibly.

Thats only time I tried to cosplay anything so I picked Witcher

[KAM 2150]

While melee weapons have these bonus vs unit type easily displayed, same does not apply to ranged units.

Basically to balance some stuff out, I have moved a portion of base damage to only apply vs certain units.

Lets say, ranged damage is taking too big tool on cavalry while it barely does anything to infantry. There are a lot things you could in theory do to fix it but they would require a lot more work and testing as they would impact other aspects of combat. It is just more convinient to make make it so that ranged weapon X does 20 damage to all units but also +3 vs infantry and +25 to elephants etc.

[Iskandar]

I'm enjoying the new battle pack a lot so far. I have noticed though that both in this submod and in the main DeI mod the Tarantine cavalry that Rome can recruit (both Romanized and AOR) has a lot higher armor stat than the same unit that all the other factions have access to. Is this intended or some leftover that has slipped through the cracks? It doesn't make sense to have such a large disparity; they have the same name and the same portrait across Roman and Greek factions, nor is there to the best of my knowledge a historical claim that somehow the Tarantine cav from Taras itself (or generally the Italic version of this type of unit) was much more heavily armored.

[geala]

After I clicked on the download button on the mediafire page, suddenly I got a loud persistent noise. First I thought there was a problem with my speakers, I toned them down and downloaded the pack file. Then, after closing the mediafire page, I saw a message window in the background with the warning that my system is corrupted and files will be deleted, etc. The fake message window could simply be deactivated, however it was not very funny. Did anybody have a similar experience?

[Jake Armitage]

After I clicked on the download button on the mediafire page, suddenly I got a loud persistent noise. First I thought there was a problem with my speakers, I toned them down and downloaded the pack file. Then, after closing the mediafire page, I saw a message window in the background with the warning that my system is corrupted and files will be deleted, etc. The fake message window could simply be deactivated, however it was not very funny. Did anybody have a similar experience?

When you download from mediafire then NEVER LEFT CLICK.
ALWAYS RIGHT CLICK (mousing over the green button) AND OPEN A NEW WINDOW.

[Ptolemaios Soter]

No, but it sounds like you may have clicked on one of the ads on the site by accident. Also FYI, the battle pack has been getting regular updates on Steam, so my advise is to use that version to stay current.