Of these facts there cannot be any shadow of doubt: for instance, that civil society was renovated in every part by Christian institutions; that in the strength of that renewal the human race was lifted up to better things-nay, that it was brought back from death to life, and to so excellent a life that nothing more perfect had been known before, or will come to be known in the ages that have yet to be. - Pope Leo XIII
Gods knows, he will sort us out someday.
That seems highly unlikely.
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impossibly, laughably so
The release of a Jewish prisoner was customary at the feast of Passover (Mark 15:6). The choice Pilate set before the crowd that day could not have been more clear-cut: Jesus Barabbas, a high-profile killer and agitator who was unquestionably guilty, or Jesus of Nazareth, a teacher and miracle-worker who was obviously innocent. The crowd chose Barabbas to be released.
I Am Barabbas
1. He was a rebel.
I, too, am a rebel. Despite the benevolent rule of my King, I have both willingly and by my very nature participated in heinous acts of rebellion against the rightful rule of the God of the Universe.
2. He was a murderer.
I, too, am a murderer. Not just of my fellow man, having wished them harm, but of Jesus Christ whose life I have chanted for through my varied and sundry acts of despicable sin. I have chanted along with the crowd, Crucify! Crucify! for I saw Him as a threat to my commitment to my own desires.
3. He, though guilty, was released and an innocent was punished in his stead.
I, too, have been released. The punishment that was rightfully due to me has been handed down to another. Someone an innocent man has been crucified in my place.
I am Barabbas.
You, too, are Barrabas.
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- R.C. Sproul"Anybody can believe in God. What it means to be a Christian is to believe God, to trust him when he speaks, which does not require a leap of faith or a crucifixion of the intellect. It requires a crucifixion of pride."
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RC is a bit of a douche but always liked this one
even though he stole it.Nothing could be more irrational than the idea that something comes from nothing.
All the best thoughts are stolen. Thieves are always smarter than those who were taught.
I love how that would also mean that Christianity is irrational
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Faith in the supernatural is inherently irrational, yet the beauty in a faith that accepts divinity is unknowable, understands nothing is absolute and where doubt is felt through not conquered is a wonder to behold. I can only imagine what it is to experience this particular passion. Rarely a jealous man, I am wise enough to fleetingly, in moments when the glory of creation slows me, wish to know it.
Originally Posted by John 14Originally Posted by Matthew 22
Of these facts there cannot be any shadow of doubt: for instance, that civil society was renovated in every part by Christian institutions; that in the strength of that renewal the human race was lifted up to better things-nay, that it was brought back from death to life, and to so excellent a life that nothing more perfect had been known before, or will come to be known in the ages that have yet to be. - Pope Leo XIII
The sermon of St John Chrysostom, sung during the Paschal service. Happy Pascha everyone. Christ is risen!
If anyone is devout and a lover of God, let him enjoy this beautiful and radiant festival.
If anyone is a wise servant, let him, rejoicing, enter into the joy of his Lord.
If anyone has wearied himself in fasting, let him now receive his recompense.
If anyone has labored from the first hour, let him today receive his just reward.
If anyone has come at the third hour, with thanksgiving let him keep the feast.
If anyone has arrived at the sixth hour, let him have no misgivings; for he shall suffer no loss.
If anyone has delayed until the ninth hour, let him draw near without hesitation.
If anyone has arrived even at the eleventh hour, let him not fear on account of his delay.
For the Master is gracious and receives the last, even as the first; he gives rest to him that comes at the eleventh hour, just as to him who has labored from the first.
He has mercy upon the last and cares for the first; to the one he gives, and to the other he is gracious.
He both honors the work and praises the intention. Enter all of you, therefore, into the joy of our Lord, and, whether first or last, receive your reward.
O rich and poor, one with another, dance for joy!
O you ascetics and you negligent, celebrate the day!
You that have fasted and you that have disregarded the fast, rejoice today!
The table is rich-laden; feast royally, all of you!
The calf is fatted; let no one go forth hungry!
Let all partake of the feast of faith.
Let all receive the riches of goodness.
Let no one lament his poverty, for the universal kingdom has been revealed.
Let no one mourn his transgressions, for pardon has dawned from the grave.
Let no one fear death, for the Saviour's death has set us free.
He that was taken by death has annihilated it!
He descended into hades and took hades captive!
He embittered it when it tasted his flesh!
And anticipating this Isaiah exclaimed, "Hades was embittered when it encountered thee in the lower regions."
It was embittered, for it was abolished!
It was embittered, for it was mocked!
It was embittered, for it was purged!
It was embittered, for it was despoiled!
It was embittered, for it was bound in chains!
It took a body and met God!
It took earth and encountered heaven!
It took what it saw but crumbled before what it had not seen!
"O death, where is thy sting? O hades, where is thy victory?"
Christ is risen, and you are overthrown!
Christ is risen, and the demons are fallen!
Christ is risen, and the angels rejoice!
Christ is risen, and life reigns!
Christ is risen, and not one dead remains in a tomb!
For Christ, being raised from the dead, has become the First-fruits of them that slept.
To him be glory and might unto ages of ages. Amen.
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I see that nothing much has changed during my forced absence in that few of you are concenred about your souls. Man is quite incapable of believing in God unless God makes it possible as the words of Jesus Christ make plain. " No man can come to the Father except by Me and no man can come to Me except the Father draws him." The world that God so loved was the world that He created before the fall of man, the reason that His Son had to enter it, die and rise again because it was fallen and finally to replace it with a New One. Until that happens the whole world is at enmity with God unless redeemed by the blood of Christ, the reason why the Gospel is so important to grasp with all one's heart before His return. It's your soul that's at stake.
Pretty sure like this is why you were infracted in the first place.I see that nothing much has changed during my forced absence in that few of you are concenred about your souls.
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You can’t really lecture people for not believing in God and then turn around and say no one can believe in God unless God makes it possible, as if God is predestining people to be saved or damned a priori. Bit of a contradiction there, and that’s likely because you may be taking John 6:44 out of context.Originally Posted by basics
Anyone who believes in Jesus is drawn to him by the Father, not the other way around. This is made clear not only by the rhetorical context but also the situation in the passage, wherein Jesus is telling the Jews that those who seek God in fact seek Jesus, who is God. It can perhaps be confusing at a glance, since the Greek ἕλκω can mean to physically drag a net or draw a sword, but it can also mean to impel someone inwardly, another example being John 12:32Originally Posted by John 6
Jesus, through his death and resurrection, has drawn all men to him, as weariness draws one to rest, through a desire to know the peace that Jesus gives.Originally Posted by John 12
Paul makes this clear in RomansOriginally Posted by Matthew 11
God’s purpose, his will, according to Jesus, is that everyone who believes in him will have everlasting life. Those who believe are called according to his purpose, predestined to be like Jesus, justified by faith, and glorified through him. In short, Purpose -> Calling, not Calling -> Purpose.Originally Posted by Romans 8
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Of these facts there cannot be any shadow of doubt: for instance, that civil society was renovated in every part by Christian institutions; that in the strength of that renewal the human race was lifted up to better things-nay, that it was brought back from death to life, and to so excellent a life that nothing more perfect had been known before, or will come to be known in the ages that have yet to be. - Pope Leo XIII
Lord Thesaurian,
I have never lectured people for not believing in God, why? Because I know that salvation comes and only comes through the working of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit on an individual triggered by them hearing the Gospel. All I have ever written is what Scripture declares and it declares that " all fall short of the glory of God," meaning that man is bound in sin and therefore cannot save himself even if he wanted to. Romans tells us that God gave man over to the desires of the flesh and Jesus tells us that unless that flesh is born again of the Holy Spirit none shall ever see heaven. Man cannot regenerate himself. Indeed Peter wrote, " Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ anf you will be saved," and then goes on to say the most important part of that, " as many as the Lord God shall call." Salvation is a total work of God.
Indeed if one reads the Revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ one can see that all of our involvement in God's story of our existence has already been completed in the heavenly places. The Book of Life contains the names of the elect as does the New Jerusalem and New Creation as seen by John in his vision. Oh men may think that it's all about himself but the truth is that all is about God Who for His good pleasure brought about our creation. So, as I have said before and say again that if anyone feels drawn to Jesus grasp it with all your strength for your soul depends upon it.
We know from Romans that whoever believes in Jesus according to God’s purpose are called. In Acts 2, Peter is addressing a crowd of people that had gathered.Originally Posted by basics
He is telling the crowd that whoever repents and believes in Jesus will receive the Holy Spirit, both now and in the future, not that God has already predestined certain people for heaven or hell.Originally Posted by Acts 2
John mentions the book of life in a number of different passages and contexts. Can you be more specific? In the third chapter, he writes that those repent their sins and turn away from wickedness will not have their names “blotted out” from the Book. In Revelation 13, he writes that those who worship the beast and receive his mark are not written in the Book (the verb γράφω, “to write,” is used in a number of temporal contexts throughout the NT, and the passage here is a prophecy of the future). In Revelation 20, the book of life is opened, and the dead are judged according to their works, again in a prophecy of the future.Indeed if one reads the Revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ one can see that all of our involvement in God's story of our existence has already been completed in the heavenly places. The Book of Life contains the names of the elect as does the New Jerusalem and New Creation as seen by John in his vision.
Of these facts there cannot be any shadow of doubt: for instance, that civil society was renovated in every part by Christian institutions; that in the strength of that renewal the human race was lifted up to better things-nay, that it was brought back from death to life, and to so excellent a life that nothing more perfect had been known before, or will come to be known in the ages that have yet to be. - Pope Leo XIII
Lord Thesaurian,
In the stages of coming to God through Jesus Christ, the trigger is the Gospel which brings about firstly condemnation to the sinner. In other words the Holy Spirit breaks down the hardest of hearts for that sinner to plead for repentence which again is a work of God on that person thus bringing about regeneration, meaning that at that point the Holy Spirit enters into what is now called a new creation in Christ Jesus, the old having gone as all things concerning their belief are new. Perhaps the greatest example of this was when at Pentecost the Holy Spirit fell on all them in that room as each one had fled Jesus at His arrest. But Pentecost brought out the mighty power of God to all them in that room making them capable of preaching the Gospel whereupon so many as you say were saved. According to Gibbon there were however in and around Jerusalem over a million Jews many of whom having heard these disciples preach the word were not saved.
Now concerning the Book of the revelation of Jesus Christ, yes in our time it is prophetic but not in heavenly time. Now why do I say this? Well consider all the times it is written " before the worlds were made," showing the unfolding of God's good pleasure determined before anything to do with us was made. John tells of what he saw in heaven as having been done there yet not come about in our time. What I mean by that is that our story has already been accomplished in heavenly time but not in ours, why? Because God being God has already written it all as any author does and why it is therefore said we are predestined. Being written that God knows every word we make, every move we make is not just Him standing back as it happenes because He knows the end from the beginning, rather because He is God the Author of all things. I mean what ever escapes Him when He knows the very number of hairs are on your head?
John's rendition of the Book of Life is a warning to believers basically about backsliding yet we know that a believer who is washed in the blood of Christ cannot be lost. I don't believe that any who have the mark of the beast have their names in that Book. There is no way that a regenerate believer can fall from the hand of God and so be removed from the Book. For sure as Paul writes there are those that follow a different Jesus, follow a different Spirit and another God but their names are not in the Book because they have no regenerate Life in them. The parables of the wheat and tares, sheep and goats makes that very clear. It's a Book of Life in Jesus Christ, eternal Life which cannot apply to the unregenerate.
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The timelessness of eternity does not negate the nature of prophecy or the words of Scripture. The Bible must form the sole basis of doctrine and interpretation, not appeals to the consequences of theological assumptions. The Bible is clear about the nature of salvation. As noted above, God’s purpose is that all who believe in Jesus will be saved. All men are drawn to salvation by Jesus’s sacrifice and resurrection. As both Jesus and Paul make clear numerous times, a person’s decision to accept or reject that gift, to love God or reject his love, to believe in Jesus or not, is what predetermines whether or not one is called according to God’s purpose.
As Jesus makes clear here, one chooses the path of salvation or condemnation, of light or dark, through conscious action. He is telling Nicodemus, “aren’t you an expert on these matters? Yet I’m giving you the answers you seek, and you reject them.” He even makes the direct comparison to Moses, a context Nicodemus would understand as a religious scholar, for the avoidance of any doubt:Originally Posted by John 3
Originally Posted by Numbers 21
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Of these facts there cannot be any shadow of doubt: for instance, that civil society was renovated in every part by Christian institutions; that in the strength of that renewal the human race was lifted up to better things-nay, that it was brought back from death to life, and to so excellent a life that nothing more perfect had been known before, or will come to be known in the ages that have yet to be. - Pope Leo XIII
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From 1:1 John the disciple tells us the difference between Jesus Christ our God and Saviour and the lot of mankind. He is the Light of Life and man in the darkness of sin comprehended it not, why? Because on that fateful day in the garden God placed a curse on all mankind but not without making a prophetic statement about the " seed " Who would come to contend for the souls of men His name we now know as Jesus Christ. So man was fallen and under the sway of the Evil one. From that day all creation was fallen and so any restoration lay in the hand of God. And, this is how it has always been. John also writes that " God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on Him shall not perish but hath everlasting life." The question here is what world? Was it the world He created or the world that now was fallen? If it is the latter then why is Jesus coming back to create a new one, a new heaven and earth. No, it was the former before it fell and the reason Jesus Christ came into the world.
So, whoever believeth shall not perish, meaning that there are those that will, but how can they unless their nature be changed? Can a man, any man change his nature? Of course certain of men will say they can yet not in the eyes of God. Jesus told Nicodemus that a man must be born again if he is to enter heaven. Now that's a little heavier than just changing one's nature, no this was much deeper, too deep for that man and Jesus tenderly derides him that he didn't know nor understand this with all his Scriptural knowledge. You see even in its highest religious establishments men were blinded to a knowledge of the truth, that truth only coming by the way of the Spirit of God to any man. This was shown when Jesus asked the disciples what the people thought of Him and finally what they thought of Him. Peter replied what God had given him to say for even as yet none of them were aware of the full implications that were to unfold before them and wouldn't until the Holy Ghost fell on them at Pentecost. That's why not just the reading of God's word is so important rather the context and flow is understood. That is why those that are born again have the Spirit of God indwelling them.
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