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    Quote Originally Posted by Prodromos View Post
    Yeah, it's strange, but I think a lot of atheists spend more time thinking about God than most nominal Christians do. Maybe they're not trying to convince us that God isn't real; maybe they're trying to convince themselves.
    Won't speak for others. I am not trying to prove Divinity is real or not because it is unknowable and can't be proven or disproven. Religious dogmas claiming absolute knowledge of Divinity however are easily shown to be not real by history, science, their own internal schisms and the contradictory statements contained within their holy books.

    Even when you use the word Christian you are talking about hundreds if not thousands of sects, billions of individual interpretations.

    I am many many things but an atheist is not one of them.
    All Christians are nominal ones. Nature is what it is.
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    Yeah, it's strange, but I think a lot of atheists spend more time thinking about God than most nominal Christians do. Maybe they're not trying to convince us that God isn't real; maybe they're trying to convince themselves.
    What an absurdly laughable claim. The only time I think about god is when I open this thread. If the few minutes a day I spend posting here is longer than most christians think about god It's probably fair to say that that speaks more towards their lath of faith than anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akar View Post
    What an absurdly laughable claim. The only time I think about god is when I open this thread. If the few minutes a day I spend posting here is longer than most christians think about god It's probably fair to say that that speaks more towards their lath of faith than anything.
    Akar,

    Having posted some 14,491 times which is about to be broken no doubt I'd say that's a lot of minutes. So let's say that the few minutes are only moderately 5 then 5 x 14,491 means that you have spent a lot of minutes of your life, the past ten years, trying to prove that God doesn't exist. That is hardly absurdly laughable. The figure is most likely higher.

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    Are you suggesting every single moment I've spent on this forum, and every single post I've ever made here has been in the EMM arguing about god?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akar View Post
    Are you suggesting every single moment I've spent on this forum, and every single post I've ever made here has been in the EMM arguing about god?
    Yes.



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    Akar,

    I am suggesting that because as I am on these threads everyday possible and when I make a post funnily enough up you pop right behind me to have a go at me.

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    It is usually funnily enough. Truest thing you have ever said.

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    The Schleitheim Confession, a 16th-century statement of Anabaptist (e.g. Mennonite/Amish) principles, written during a time of severe persecution:

    Baptism
    Baptism is administered to those who have consciously repented and amended their lives and believe that Christ has died for their sins and who request it for themselves (believer's baptism). Infant baptism is specifically denounced.

    The Ban (Excommunication)
    A Christian should live with discipline and walk in the way of righteousness. Those who slip and fall into sin should be admonished twice in secret, but the third offense should be openly disciplined and banned as a final recourse. This should always occur prior to the breaking of the bread.

    Breaking of Bread (Communion)
    Only those who have been baptized can take part in communion. Participation in Communion is a remembrance of Christ's body and blood; the real body and blood of Christ is not present in the sacrament.

    Separation from Evil
    The community of Christians shall have no association with those who remain in disobedience and a spirit of rebellion against God. There can be no fellowship with the wicked in the world; there can be no participation in works, church services, meetings and civil affairs of those who live in contradiction to the commands of God (Catholics and Protestants). All evil must be put away, including using weapons of force such as the sword and armor.

    The Sword (Christian pacifism) – nonresistance
    Violence must not be used in any circumstance. The way of nonviolence is patterned after the example of Christ who never exhibited violence in the face of persecution or as a punishment for sin. A Christian should not pass judgment in worldly disputes. It is not appropriate for a Christian to serve as a magistrate; a magistrate acts according to the rules of the world, not according to the rules of heaven; their weapons are worldly, but the weapons of a Christian are spiritual.
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    Dirk Willems was a Dutch martyred Anabaptist who is most famous for escaping from prison and turning back to rescue his pursuer—who had fallen through thin ice while chasing Willems—to then be recaptured, tortured and killed for his faith.

    Willems was baptized as a young man, thus rejecting the infant baptism practiced at that time by both Catholics and established Protestants in the Netherlands. This action, plus his continued devotion to his new faith and the baptism of several other people in his home, led to his condemnation by the Roman Catholic Church in the Netherlands and subsequent arrest.

    Willems was held in a residential palace turned into a prison, from which he escaped using a rope made out of knotted rags. Using this, he was able to climb out of the prison onto the frozen moat. A guard noticed his escape and gave chase. Willems was able to traverse the thin ice of a frozen pond, the Hondegat, because of his lighter weight after subsisting on prison rations. However, the pursuing guard broke through the ice and yelled for help as he struggled in the icy water. Willems turned back to save the life of his pursuer, thus being recaptured and held until he was burned at the stake near his hometown on 16 May 1569.

    Today, he is one of the most celebrated martyrs among Anabaptists, which includes Mennonites and Amish.



    In the Willems story he sacrifices his life by turning back to rescue his enemy. While many people would feel this story is unfulfilling because it does not conform to the idea that a good deed should be reciprocated (i.e. Androcles and the lion), Anabaptists understand the story as illustrating the Biblical injunction to Love your enemy, and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. (Matthew 5:43-45). For Anabaptists the meaning of the story is not dependent on the response of the jailer. Instead, the meaning is derived from Willems’ faithfulness to Anabaptist values.

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    Oh look, more copy pasta. Should I start copy pasting random short stories again if Prod is going to just do the same?

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    That's pretty rich, given that every time I tried to start a discussion with you you replied with nothing more than a laughing emoji before running away. So you don't like Bible verses, you don't like religious stories, and you don't respond to theological discussions (i.e. 95% of what I post). In that case it might be better for you to just put me on Ignore.
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    Bible verses and religious stories are pointless if you're trying to talk to someone who isn't religious.

    and you don't respond to theological discussions

    This has got to be a joke. Go back through this thread and you'll see that I've been responding to theological discussions since page one.

    (i.e. 95% of what I post)
    Uhhh, no? 95% of what you post is copy pasta and a video from some random website. This is not a "theologic discussion", this is copy pasta. I don't think a single person has ever replied to your copy pasta except to tell you that it's annoying and that they don't read it. Copy pasting something and linking a video gives no room for discussion and doesn't make anyone want to take what you have to say seriously. Write out your own arguments and thoughts. I have no interest in debating some random quote and a youtube video, sorry.

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    Okay thanks for sharing your opinion again. I have no interest in discussing anything with you either, so if you could put me on Ignore instead of obnoxiously following me around, that'd be great.
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    I will debate the Bible with you. My only caveat is either no interpretations are valid just verse or all interpretations that ever were considered valid are. I would go further and say I would like too. You say things I find worth responding to.

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    My only caveat is either no interpretations are valid just verse or all interpretations that ever were considered valid are.
    That sounds pretty silly. What are you hoping to get out of a back-and-forth like that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prodromos View Post
    That sounds pretty silly. What are you hoping to get out of a back-and-forth like that?
    There are thousands of interpretations of scripture. Hence all the sects. I don't think it s fun to argue just one. When the Church was more unified there was still unending debate on what scripture meant. It was only in the last few hundred years post reformation that people starting pretending it has all been in agreement for years in the thousands.

    I know my catechism too. I have read the Bible a hundred times easily. Lots of different ones too.

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    wanderwegger,

    Perhaps you have so please tell us from any version where it says that Jesus Christ is not the Son of God, that He did not die on a cross, that He never rose again on the third day and now only awaits His return to judge all things?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wanderwegger View Post
    There are thousands of interpretations of scripture. Hence all the sects. I don't think it s fun to argue just one. When the Church was more unified there was still unending debate on what scripture meant. It was only in the last few hundred years post reformation that people starting pretending it has all been in agreement for years in the thousands.

    I know my catechism too. I have read the Bible a hundred times easily. Lots of different ones too.
    That doesn't really answer my question. I don't know what you hope to achieve by posting a text without interpreting (i.e. understanding) it, unless you just enjoy the shape of the letters or something. And it doesn't make any sense to hold that either all interpretations are valid or none are. Why not just post the text and then discuss the most reasonable interpretation of it?
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    Akar,

    So from page one you have been responding to theological discussions 352 times on this thread and you claim not to be religious?

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