UK election thread

[Aexodus]

Then I wouldn't vote Conservative either. Wait until you hear about how under the Conservative Government, the UK security services directly collaborated with loyalist paramilitary groups leading to the deaths of hundreds of people. Probably doesn't count though because something... something... Jeremy Corbyn amirite?

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...-31261593.html

Why are you making that a partisan issue? Many different governments and both main parties have allegations against them.

I wouldn't take that too seriously if I were you. Even if Labour get a majority (which they won't, too many Gammons voting Tory) they're highly unlikely to abolish capitalism and turn the UK into a full on Marxist Republic. Put the Daily Mail down for a second and come back to reality.

However the divide between rich and poor is as wide as its ever been and getting wider. Addressing this problem is hardly Maoist...

I don’t really care if it’s realistic or not, it’s a black mark against Corbyn.

He said something idiotic, which he apologised for.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics...comment-labour

I don’t believe him.

Tell me do you hold the DUP politicians to the same standards?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...haunts-the-dup

http://www.irishnews.com/news/2015/1...-links-288278/

What makes you think I don’t? The Ulster Resistance and the Third Force were a bunch of posers, but the connections to Billy Wright among other things are why I vote UUP.

If you want to talk about the DUP you can, but they’re not very relevant to the national picture.

[Elmetiacos]

I tend to be a bit pessimistic, but I think the UK will start to fall apart in a bloody mess when Johnson gets in. The SNP will still have a majority of seats in Scotland and after Brexit part one, there will be increasing demands for a second referendum, which will grow louder and be accompanied by a border poll in Northern Ireland when he screws up Brexit part two, perhaps dependant on what happens in the US election... The government in Westminster will go on refusing, leading to a Catalan situation. With Patel in charge at the Home Office there will be an attempt to violently suppress any protests with some sort of emergency powers which will further aggravate the situation. Wales will hang on for a while, playing Montenegro to England's Serbia before it too goes its own way.

[TheLeft]

Why are you making that a partisan issue? Many different governments and both main parties have allegations against them.

Actually you did when you repeated the same old tired "OMFG!! Cobryn teh terrorist synthesizer!!!11one" trope whilst conveniently ignoring the fact that other parties have far worse people representing them including ACTUAL terrorists in some cases

I don’t really care if it’s realistic or not, it’s a black mark against Corbyn.

So reality plays no part in your political beliefs? Good to know. Saves me the time spent having to debate with someone who prefers delusions over facts...

I don’t believe him.

Convenient. Tell me. Do you reject all apologies from everyone ever? Or just the people you have an irrational grudge against?

What makes you think I don’t? The Ulster Resistance and the Third Force were a bunch of posers, but the connections to Billy Wright among other things are why I vote UUP.

Fair enough. Can't argue with that.

If you want to talk about the DUP you can, but they’re not very relevant to the national picture.

If holding 8 out of 18 seats in N. Ireland, and spending two years propping up a Conservative minority government is "not very relevant", I'd love to see what is...

[Aexodus]

Actually you did when you repeated the same old tired "OMFG!! Cobryn teh terrorist synthesizer!!!11one" trope whilst conveniently ignoring the fact that other parties have far worse people representing them including ACTUAL terrorists in some cases

Sure, but that’s not the party leadership, and it’s whataboutism. You haven’t yet provided a reasoning for the 87 motion nust after the Enniskillen bombing blaming Britain for the troubles and claiming I as a Brit, am occupying my own country.

So reality plays no part in your political beliefs? Good to know. Saves me the time spent having to debate with someone who prefers delusions over facts...

It’s no delusion that the Labour leadership is socialist and wants to entirely deconstruct capitalism.

[quote Convenient. Tell me. Do you reject all apologies from everyone ever? Or just the people you have an irrational grudge against?[/quote]

No not at all. I reject it because I believe he meant what he said, so why would he be sorry for it? He is only sorry for any offence caused, which is trivial.

“If I gave offence – and I clearly have – from the bottom of my heart I apologise. I apologise.”

It’s not about causing offence. He should have been expelled from Labour as soon as it came to light he made those statements. It’s not about me being offended, it’s about McDonnel’s beliefs.

Fair enough. Can't argue with that.

If holding 8 out of 18 seats in N. Ireland, and spending two years propping up a Conservative minority government is "not very relevant", I'd love to see what is...

Sure, but Foster isn’t a Prime Minister contender and the DUP or any other NI party is highly unlikely to prop up a government ever again. Most of the problems with the DUP are due to the troubles and the circumstances people found themselves in, as well as the fault of the individuals themselves. Therefore I wouldn’t compare Labour (who choose not to even stand in NI) or any mainland party, to a party born during our inter communal conflict in the 60s-90s. Again that’s not to say the DUP did no wrong, cause they did.

At the end of the day, politics in Ireland is far more complicated than anywhere else in Western Europe. Even the UUP had a militia force in the 1910s started by Carson and Craig.

Back to the main point, Labour has a problem with terrorist sympathies that other parties do not in anywhere near the same respect. That Tory councillor or the Brexit Party MEP pale in comparison. This is why I detest the Labour leadership so much. The people they have sympathy with, are people who murdered and held people of mine at gunpoint while wiring a bomb, leaving them with lifelong psychological problems, same goes for most people.

People should not romanticize terrorists, they should not commemorate them, which John McDonnel does. The fact he still has a plaque to IRA ‘martyrs’ in his office is partly why I do not believe he actually regrets the contents of what he said - ‘the ballot the bullet and the bomb [should unite Ireland]’ which undermines his apology for saying ‘It's about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA’.

The earlier comments were not the ones in 2003 he apologised for, it was 1986. So he has a long history of sympathy and support for the IRA.

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/new...-34239947.html

Labour shadow chancellor John McDonnell allegedly called for the "ballot, the bullet and the bomb" to unite Ireland - and joked that 'gutless wimps' who refused to meet Sinn Fein should be knee-capped at the height of the Troubles.

According to The Times, the remarks were made at a public meeting of 100 people including members of the IRA's political wing, at a pub in New Cross, South London in 1986 - before the peace process.

The newspaper says it has uncovered archive material showing Mr McDonnell suggested with black humour that Labour councillors who boycotted the meeting should have their "knee-caps shot off".

The IRA continued using bombs after Mr McDonnell's speech and in 1987 - a year later - eleven people were killed in the Enniskillen bombing on Remembrance Sunday.

The bombing after which the socialists claimed the troubles were due to ‘British occupation’.

More on the IRA plaque.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...aque-honouring

The commemorative item honours the 10 IRA and INLA hunger strikers, who died in the Maze prison in County Down, Northern Ireland, in 1981.

Among those whose names are inscribed on the plaque are Francis Hughes, who was sentenced to life in prison for the murder of a British Army soldier in 1980.

Given to him by a bomber and murderer Killer Kelly.

The plaque was a gift to Mr McDonnell from Hayes Gaelic Club, and was presented to him in 2004 by convicted IRA bomber Gerry Kelly.

This man believes in a United Ireland. He doesn’t believe in the United Kingdom, is a self-proclaimed Marxist and is UTTERLY UNFIT FOR OFFICE.

In the Financial Times interview, Mr McDonnell said: "I’ve always honestly and openly said I believe in a united Ireland, but the point was to try and get to a united Ireland without the violence."

https://www.ft.com/mcdonnell

McDonnell lists his hobby in Who’s Who as “fermenting (sic) the downfall of capitalism”. As a previously self-proclaimed Marxist — and past admirer of Venezuela’s socialist state — he is perhaps the most leftwing person ever to hold the role of shadow chancellor.

He was recorded at one meeting in 2011 encouraging unhappy workers to spit in their bosses’ tea. Ken Livingstone, the leftwing former mayor of London, sacked him in the 1980s for being too radical. For certain business leaders, the idea of McDonnell in the Treasury is starting to eclipse Brexit as a pressing political concern

An avid reader, he is inspired by Gramsci, the Italian Marxist who believed socialism would triumph by infiltrating “schools, universities, churches and the media”.

In 2014, McDonnell approvingly quoted the idea of Tory MP Esther McVey being lynched, and he once joked about “garrotting” Danny Alexander, a former Lib Dem cabinet minister. “He survived, didn’t he?” McDonnell retorts, when asked.

Nothing wrong with dark humour but it’s hypocritical for Labour to want hate speech laws when their Chancellor is like this.

In a 2006 interview, McDonnell said his inspirations were “the fundamental Marxist writers of Marx, Lenin and Trotsky, basically”. When he ran a book club at the Trades Union Congress, members would joke that they had to read the same book every week: Das Kapital.

A centrist Labour MP predicts the shadow chancellor will “go for broke” if he ever gets into power. “There are a lot of people who will never, ever trust him . . . he’s very, very authoritarian.”

[Abdülmecid I]

Are we seriously arguing over Corbyn aiming to abolish capitalism? I thought that the fear-mongering about Bolsheviks at the gates was limited to the United States, but I was apparently mistaken. Corbyn did not suggest to "entirely deconstruct capitalism", but simply attacked its extreme, unregulated version as responsible for the financial crisis, from which, rather ironically, many British that get provoked by your average tabloid's propaganda gravely suffer. It was a generic remark, whose premise is recognized as true by the majority of mainstream economists, and which would normally be labelled as center-leftist.

Nowadays, of course, where right-wing political correctness dominates the public discourse, references to even the mildest principles of social-democracy are considered and rejected as a cordial endorsement of Marxism. Anyway, for an overview of the Labour's leader supposed radicalism, Spike, a conservative magazine supported by the Koch brothers, provides an interesting analysis. His manifesto basically consists of populist calls to partially reverse the course of privatisation and austerity Britain has followed since the premiership of the Iron Lady. Nothing exceptional, just your regular anti-Tory electoral promises, which are, in my opinion, as likely to materialise as Tony Blair's renovation of the international pro-worker movement.

[Aexodus]

John McDonnel literally said he wanted to abolish capitalism.

[Abdülmecid I]

No, he really doesn't. He's simply targeting what he describes as unfettered capitalism, where free market reigns supreme and the public authorities are unable to provide for social security and a moderate redistribution of income through progressive taxation. He just repeats a couple of standard points from the social-democratic textbook. It would be more productive if we applied the same criteria of determining radicalism to the center-leftist parties as we do with the far-right groups. So, are you agreeing that Corbyn never claimed that he would abolish capitalism?

[Aexodus]

How on Earth are Corbyn and McDonnel social democrats?

[Infidel144]

I did not realize the UK had an extreme unregulated form of capitalism...

[Elmetiacos]

How on Earth are Corbyn and McDonnel social democrats?

They are "democratic socialists" rather than "social democrats"... not that it really matters because there isn't even a snowball in hell's chance of a Labour majority.

[Alwyn]

Thanks, Aexodus, for the links about the claim that Corbyn "blamed terrorist attacks such as the Enniskillen bombing on the UK government". You provided serious news sources. Even so, like TheLeft, it seems to me that it doesn't seem unreasonable to regard the terrorist violence as having something to do witn the history of British rule in Ireland. It's been reported that this doesn't prevent Corbyn from blaming the IRA for the terrorist attacks they carry out:

Jeremy Corbyn has described the IRA as terrorists, condemned their acts of murder unconditionally and said they and the British army were not equivalent participants in the Northern Ireland conflict. - The Irish Times

This issue seems to be a litmus test of how people feel about Corbyn - those who hate him see him as a terrorist sympathiser, those who are unsure of him or who like him tend to see the evidence as more mixed.

It’s no delusion that the Labour leadership is socialist and wants to entirely deconstruct capitalism.

Socialist, yes. While I agree with you that abolishing capitalism is an extreme view, I wonder what makes you believe that he wants to "entirely deconstruct capitalism"?

Are we seriously arguing over Corbyn aiming to abolish capitalism? I thought that the fear-mongering about Bolsheviks at the gates was limited to the United States, but I was apparently mistaken. Corbyn did not suggest to "entirely deconstruct capitalism", but simply attacked its extreme, unregulated version as responsible for the financial crisis, from which, rather ironically, many British that get provoked by your average tabloid's propaganda gravely suffer. It was a generic remark, whose premise is recognized as true by the majority of mainstream economists, and which would normally be labelled as center-leftist.

This sounds right to me.

Nowadays, of course, where right-wing political correctness dominates the public discourse, references to even the mildest principles of social-democracy are considered and rejected as a cordial endorsement of Marxism. Anyway, for an overview of the Labour's leader supposed radicalism, Spike, a conservative magazine supported by the Koch brothers, provides an interesting analysis. His manifesto basically consists of populist calls to partially reverse the course of privatisation and austerity Britain has followed since the premiership of the Iron Lady. Nothing exceptional, just your regular anti-Tory electoral promises, which are, in my opinion, as likely to materialise as Tony Blair's renovation of the international pro-worker movement.

Well said!

What surprises me about the current stage of the election campaign is why the support for both the Conservatives and Labour appears to be holding up so well. After incidents such as Corbyn's widely mocked performance in the Andrew Neil interview and the struggles by Conservatives in TV interviews to explain how retaining 18,500 nurses and recrutiing 31,500 is the same as having the '50,000 more nurses' they promised, I'd have expected both big parties to be losing support, but they don't seem to be. I wonder if anyone can explain this.

They are "democratic socialists" rather than "social democrats"... not that it really matters because there isn't even a snowball in hell's chance of a Labour majority.

Yes, at the moment it looks like Labour have no chance to win, the Conservatives are polling at about 42% and Labour at about 32%. It looks like "Get Brexit Done" in 2019 is the equivalent of "Take Back Control" in 2016 - the simple slogan which convinces enough people.

[Aexodus]

I wonder what makes you believe that he wants to "entirely deconstruct capitalism"?

Making McDonnel the shadow chancellor is the main thing. His history of far left politics as well.

[Ludicus]

Nowadays, of course, where right-wing political correctness dominates the public discourse, references to even the mildest principles of social-democracy are considered and rejected as a cordial endorsement of Marxism.

Very well said.
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And nobody cares.
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Back to the main point, Labour has a problem with terrorist sympathies that other parties do not in anywhere near the same respect.

It's the usual coordinated incitement campaign against critical voices in the Labour.
Should Corbyn become PM, Israel-UK security relationship likely to end
Top U.K. Rabbi Accuses Corbyn of Failing to Stem Anti

What is at stake is the fact that Corbyn said again that recognizing a Palestinian state would be one of his first steps if elected PM,

"Let me say a few things regarding the prevention of justice and rights of the Palestinians," Corbyn said in a speech to Labor Party members at the conclusion of the party's annual convention.
"Our party is united in condemning the shooting of hundreds of unarmed demonstrators in Gaza by the Israeli security forces and the passing of the discriminatory Nation State Law. The continued occupation, the expansion of illegal settlements and the imprisonment of Palestinian children is a scandal. We support a two-state solution — a secure Israel and a secure and feasible Palestinian state,” said Corbyn.
"But a quarter of a century after the Oslo Accords, we are no closer to justice and peace and the Palestinian tragedy continues, while the world stands by," Corbyn continued.
"As my good friend Uri Avnery, who passed away this year, said: 'What is the alternative to peace, a catastrophe for both peoples,' and in order to help make the two-state solution a reality, we must recognize a Palestinian state as soon as possible."

[mishkin]

An anecdote if I may, I remember how in the last great economic crisis (2008), it was common (politicians, journalists) to talk about how we could not allow that to happen again and how we should change our habits (citizens / consumers) and the present economic system. That wild capitalism was less wild and uncontrolled than the current one, I think (I admit that I have no wubing idea of economy). And now any criticism of it, however minimal (and infrequent), is labeled as communism or as a crazy idea of some naive leftist.

[Kyriakos]

I hope Corbyn & co will at least be able to form a minority government. There is a lot of time left in this election and the tory party simply has no positive message, so they seem set to keep losing voters. While Corbyn gaining a majority seems very difficult, he may well end up with most votes or enough to form a coalition with the SNP.

[Heathen Hammer]

Its seems that conservative, as corrupt (and not even really conservative as they really are) are a lesser evil compared to economically illiterate Labor party, especially with its history of rubbing shoulders with actual terrorist groups.

[nhytgbvfeco2]

I hope Corbyn & co will at least be able to form a minority government. There is a lot of time left in this election and the tory party simply has no positive message, so they seem set to keep losing voters. While Corbyn gaining a majority seems very difficult, he may well end up with most votes or enough to form a coalition with the SNP.

Keep losing voters? Polls show the opposite, they've been gaining steadily for months now.

[Ludicus]

Its seems that conservative...compared to economically illiterate Labor party.

Really? voting intention by education level

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Older people are less likely to have degrees. And similar to the divide in the referendum, the Leave parties are polling better amongst people with lower levels of education. Tory members are overwhelming old, white and males. 71% male, the highest proportion of any of the major parties. Surge in young voters offers hope for Labour party | Financial

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...especially with its history of rubbing shoulders with actual terrorist groups

Bollocks.
H.H, read the Labour manifesto

Understanding the breadth of Britain’s history is crucial to tackling the injustices and racism in our society and around the world that persist today. Labour is committed to ensure that all its policies are measured against their impact on BAME and faith communities.

And that's a problem, according to white supremacists. Am I right, H.H?
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In a recent speech, Corbyn said,

Labour's new internationalism means we will create a peace and conflict-prevention fund and invest an extra 400 million pounds ($513 million) to expand our diplomatic capacity and increase oversight of arms exports to ensure we're not fuelling conflicts, as in Yemen and in Israel and the Palestinian territories

That makes Corbyn anti-Semite. Right, H.H.?
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From the news,

Products from Israeli settlements in the Occupied Territories must be labelled to avoid confusion with products that come from Israel itself, the European Court of Justice (ECJ) ruled on Tuesday (12 November).

That makes the ECJ anti-Semite. Right, H.H.?

The EU took note of ECJ decision.The spokesperson said that the court decision confirms the Commission's interpretive notice of 2015 that the indication of origin of the products originating in Israeli settlements must be correct and not misleading to the consumer. The Commission added that the ruling does not concern products from Israel itself.The spokesperson also said that the EU has a long-standing and well-known position that it will not recognize any changes to the pre-1967 Israeli borders, other than those agreed by the parties to the Israeli Palestinian conflict and that the EU considers settlements and occupied territory as illegal under international law.



That makes the EU anti-semite. Right, H.H?

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Things are changing, H.H. Go figure, Ban import of Israeli settlement goods | Letter | World news ...

Israeli settlements are the leading cause of human rights violations against Palestinians, and settlement expansion is destroying the possibility of a two-state solution, say signatories.
We, concerned citizens of Israel, welcome the recent ruling of the European court of justice, which in confirming that Israeli settlement products cannot be labeled as originating in the State of Israel, reaffirmed the illegality of settlements and the importance of international law (Report, 12 November).
We believe that accurate labelling of settlement products is an important step but is insufficient. We call upon the European Union to ban the import of Israeli settlement goods.
Signatories,
Ilan Baruch Former Israeli ambassador to South Africa, Namibia, Botswana, and Zimbabwe
Prof Eli Barnavi Former Israeli ambassador to France
Prof Michael Ben-Yair Former attorney general of Israel
Avraham Burg Former speaker of Knesset and head of the Jewish Agency
Erella Hadar Former Israeli ambassador to the Czech Republic
Prof David Harel Vice-president of the Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities, Israel Prize recipient (2004)
Prof Yehoshua Kolodny Israel Prize recipient (2010)
Miki Kratsman EMET Prize Laureate (2011)
Alex Levac Israel Prize recipient (2005)

That makes the Jewish signatories self-hate Jews. Right, H.H.?
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Pay attention, H.H. History shows us that anti-Semitism goes always and inevitably hand-in-hand with other forms of racism. Very recently,Theresa May unveiled a statue to Lady Astor, a known Nazi sympathizer. Boris Johnson was accompanied by ministers Liz Truss and Victoria Atkins. Letters between Astor and US Ambassador Joseph P Kennedy showed her to be violently anti-Semitic, viewing the Nazis as a solution to the "world problems" of Judaism and Communism (sic). Jewish News Statue erected of first woman MP to take seat despite Nazi

As we already know, Johnson is a racist and homophobic, friendly with anti-semitic politicians like Orban and Bannon. A detailed Jewish analyses. A brief excerpt,

If the media had wanted to, they could have asked Jewish MPs, Jewish candidates in this election 'Is it impossible or unsafe for you to be in the Labour Party?' It has been dishonest of them to have not done that.
There are also Rabbis who have either said that they will vote Labour and/or have expressed great concern over the way Jewish religious leaders (Rabbi Romain and the Chief Rabbi) have intervened in this election. You can read about these Rabbis in the Jewish Chronicle online: Rabbi Danny Rich and Rabbi Howard Cooper.
This tells us that within the religious part of Jewish life, there are people who are worried about how religious leaders have politicised religion. In the past this has been levelled at Muslims for having brought in 'communalist politics'... The silence in the mass media about the dangers of a religious group saying, in effect, 'don't vote for Party X' are very great.
In this particular election, it is also particularly dangerous because it is a two-horse race. Saying 'don't vote Labour' is in effect saying, 'Let's have a victory for the Tories'. This is no surprise, as the Chief Rabbi welcomed the election of Boris Johnson to the leadership of the Tory Party and blessed him.

Johnson is a bigot and a liar. He and the Tories have been quite content to snuggle up to extreme right wing and antisemitic parties in Europe - like Orban in Hungary.
He has also kept quiet about the pattern of antisemitism coming from Jacob Rees-Mogg, who has talked of his Jewish colleagues in the House of Commons as 'illuminati', questioned whether they 'understand' the constitution, he has done the 'Soros jibe' (this is an antisemitic 'trope' about the financier Soros deemed to be an international wheeler and dealer); Rees-Mogg has also retweeted a tweet from the Alternative für Deutschland - the far-right organisation in Germany and he has had dinner with the far-right British organisation, 'Traditional Britain Group'. There are other incidents of antisemitism in the Tory party that Boris Johnson has 'kept silent' about (Crispin Blunt, Suella Braverman, Toby Young).
For clarity's sake, the Chief Rabbi may 'speak for' a majority of Jews in the UK but he does not 'represent' them. He is the leader of the United Synagogue which has a congregation of around 40,000. According to the Board of Deputies there are 284,000 Jews in the UK. Half of us are affiliated to synagogues, half of us are not.

In all the surveys of Jewish opinion in the UK, I have never been sure of how the survey of the 142,000 non-religious Jews is done. How do they find us? One survey created a 'panel' having found secular Jews by focussing on Jews in areas where there is a high Jewish population and people having 'Jewish names'. Ahem ahem - apart from Hebrew and Hebraic names there are no Jewish names. Most Jews in this country have German, Polish (if they (we) are 'Ashkanzim' or Sephardi names which may be e.g. Italian or Spanish) and/or we have English names! What's more, since the arrival of many EU citizens, there are many Germans and Poles who have names that before were considered to be 'Jewish' like 'Meyer' - a standard German name that some Jews have.
The surveys may be accurate - perhaps - but this method of polling looks decidedly dodgy. I have challenged this many times on twitter and no one has successfully defended it so far.
Clearly some people think that the best way to combat antisemitism is to be antisemitic

[95thrifleman]

Lady Astor was the first female MP to take her seat and her statue was erected to celebrate women getting the vote. You want to make it some nazi conspiracy? Do you REALLY want to go down that route and drag all the labour skeletons from the historical closet? I could easily make a list of historical Labour grandees linked to the nazis if you'd like?

Back to the real issue as opposed to fabricated whataboutisms......

Corbyn has badly misplayed his Brexit hand by saying he'll let EU citizens vote in the referendum labour is planning to re-run. Now any hope of retaining the last of the stalwhat labour voting remainers has gone out of the window and his fence sitting as been replaced by sneaky remaining which is going to really annoy allot of the undecideds.

[Ludicus]

Lady Astor was the first female MP to take her seat and her statue was erected to celebrate women getting the vote.

The first lady of the British politics was a nazi sympathizer. In a letter to PM Stanley Baldwin, Astor cheered on Hitler's march into the Rhineland in 1936.Read William Manchester's biography of Winston Churchill. She and her friends told Baldwin that they "wholeheartedly" endorsed the Führer's act. When Churchill rose to condemn the Munich Pact in 1938, Astor continually interrupted the speech with cries of: "Rude! Rude!".

I could easily make a list of historical Labour grandees linked to the nazis if you'd like?

Really? Show me the statues.There are no pro-nazi sympathizers here, Leaders of the Labour Party (UK) - Wikipedia
Lord Attlee was a critic of Baldwin/Chamberlain's appeasement of Hitler and Mussolini.

Back to the real issue...

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