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    Still my favorite is "...I call it a dog, a beautiful dog, a talented dog..".
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    Getting out of Syria was a good move. There was no way to do it clean, and while there have been blunders I don't see how it could have been done better without Jesus or Allah making a personal appearance. People are moaning about the Kurds, they were used like this during Desert Storm as well and the criticism was less because the President was more boring.
    The proper way would be to replace US troops with UN Peacekeepers, or if that would be obstructed by RF with Veto, consult with western NATO allies if they would be willing to replace US troops with their own. If both is unattainable then current decision would be somewhat justified. Somewhat, because if we disregard ethical questions posed by the withdrawal, ie. the fate of Rojava, there are potential geostrategic setbacks, ie. US still considers SAA an enemy, will Assad strengthen his position by overpowering the SDF? Of course now we know the answer, he will but not by having to invest anything, the SDF had no choice therefore they have allowed SAA to occupy certain posts.

    Fortunately President Trump's love of peace was tempered by his love of Oil, so while he did effectively hand over a sizeable part of Syria to Assad, who, if I might add, is still quite impractically considered a must-be-removed enemy by the US government, the Oil fields have remained under occupation. The message to Assad, and perhaps other opponents in the ME is clear: You can keep the land, you can oppress the people, but Oil - that sweet black gold, will be liberated by good, old-fashioned Freedom!
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    Trump has had a lot of success.

    He's successfully enriched his family by passing a tax bill that will save him millions and every time he travels he racks up tons of hotel fees from his staff staying in his family's resorts.

    He's successfully gutted the EPA so that corporations can continue making a few extra dollars at the expense of the environment. After all, Trump will be dead by the time things really start getting bad, so what does he care?

    He's successfully installed supreme court judges that will rule for business over people every single time so nothing will come between his billionaire buddies grinding every last cent out of the American people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by B. W. View Post
    Just so you know, there were zero third world "refugees" resettled in the US in the month of October.
    I don't think that's a good policy. Offering refuge to victims of persecution is a core tenet of Americanism. Besides, refugees only make up about 2% of immigrant arrivals, so ending the refugee program won't even make a dent in the total immigration numbers. All it accomplishes is the undermining of America's moral superiority, which is a great victory for the world's tyrants.

    Also, it seems you're so steeped in mainstream media narratives that you are unaware that Trump has been busy since day one eliminating hundreds of onerous anti-business regulations; that is the reason the economy is doing so well.
    That's one of his best policies, but any other Republican would've done the same. If you compare Trump to the Democrats, you can find a lot of reasons to support him. But if you compare him to another Republican, like Cruz, there's no reason to go with Trump.

    He's pretty mediocre at best, and at times it's hard to distinguish him from a communist Democrat. There's a reason America's enemies can't contain their glee over the fact that he's president.


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    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...0-re-election/

    Well, that's another thing that I would count as a success for Trump: He has kept his base practically stable whatever he does. He has dozens of scandals some real, some overblown but undeniably dozens and it doesn't fuzz his base at all.
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    The main problem is that the right and left will see Trump's "successes" very differently. The right is happy that Trump is cutting regulations, having been trained to see any restrictions on corporations as "socialism", while the left thinks preventing corporations from cheating their customers, abusing their employees, and polluting the environment is a good thing. Similarly the right is very happy that about Trump's judicial appointments, while the left knows that the right is only happy because they think these judges will take away the rights of others.

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    Trump may be substandard on many issues, but I have to say his Israel policies are really top-notch. Every president before him was all talk and no walk when it came to Israel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prodromos View Post
    Trump may be substandard on many issues, but I have to say his Israel policies are really top-notch.
    No,his Israel policies are top-illegal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prodromos View Post
    Trump may be substandard on many issues, but I have to say his Israel policies are really top-notch. Every president before him was all talk and no walk when it came to Israel.
    Look I am no expert on Israeli history but even I can see how utterly silly your post is. Many presidents have done much more "about Israel" than Trump.

    Eisenhower forced Israel (and the UK and France) to retreat from the Suez canal. Reagan put hundreds of marines in harm's way in Lebanon. As I understand it the US was a prime mover in the Israeli conversion from a Socialist to a capitalist economy, with presidents from Nixon to Clinton involved. Bush I's handling of Israeli sensitivities in the 1993 Gulf War was a brilliant diplomatic tour-de-force.

    Trump has made a couple of clerical changes to the US Israel relationship (recognisng Jerusalem, and now the settlements) albeit with enormous symbolic and diplomatic value to Israel, for no return to the US. this point is worth repeating; without regard to right and wrong, but just as a pragmatic diplomatic point, Trump has given Israel two massive aces that it has been gagging for for decades, for nothing. ThisIsTheWorstDeal.jpeg.

    Just because US media misreports on Trump doesn't mean the idiot jabbering of the anti-media is correct. As far as diplomacy and foreign policy goes trump is a buffoon who embarrasses and undermines his country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    Trump has made a couple of clerical changes to the US Israel relationship (recognisng Jerusalem, and now the settlements) albeit with enormous symbolic and diplomatic value to Israel, for no return to the US. this point is worth repeating; without regard to right and wrong, but just as a pragmatic diplomatic point, Trump has given Israel two massive aces that it has been gagging for for decades, for nothing.
    Well, in the US, Trump gets more support from fanatical evangelical Christians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    Many presidents have done much more "about Israel" than Trump.
    Well, I quote
    ...But the US eventually grew so exasperated that it allowed through a UN security council resolution demanding a halt to all construction in the occupied territories, rather than veto it, and John Kerry made a blistering attack on Mr Netanyahu’s government.
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    Leading Democratic presidential candidates denounce US settlement ...

    Even Biden speaks out against Trump's decision. But... I don't trust a man who says:"I don't agree with a damn thing you say,but I love you Bibi". Reveals an abject submission and lack of character.Trying to please everybody is impossible.
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    @And again Trump sacrifices US interests for a small personal gain (more votes from the evangelical Christs).
    Is it just me, or can we see a pattern here?

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    The only pattern here is his stupidity and declining mental state, there's no grand strategy of him trying to appeal to evangelicals, he just acts like he does and is sometimes steered towards positions his advisors wants

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    Trump may be substandard on many issues, but I have to say his Israel policies are really top-notch. Every president before him was all talk and no walk when it came to Israel.
    What was the walk supposed to be with regard to US self interest again? No matter how you slice the fish Israel is a vastly annoying client state. Its hard to see dropping it would not be in US interests and the House of Saud as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by conon394 View Post
    What was the walk supposed to be with regard to US self interest again? No matter how you slice the fish Israel is a vastly annoying client state. Its hard to see dropping it would not be in US interests and the House of Saud as well.
    Whether we agree with his choice to support Israel (for reasons unknown) or not, his stance to support Israel was ... not very successful IMO. For votes, I am not sure the Jews in USA would support a PotUS that led to an increase in Antisemitism and didn't condemn people waving Nazi flags. For Evangelicans, he had those votes already. Who would they vote for? The people that make abortions and LGBT rights the cornerstone of their agenda?
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    Jerusalem is Israel's capital. US embassies are typically located in capital cities. The 'settlements' aren't illegal.

    These are facts. I don't know what you mean by US interest. It's in the national interest to recognize reality.

    Is Sweden going to compensate the US for recognizing Stockholm as their capital?

    Has Portugal made any concessions in exchange for having the US embassy located in Lisbon?

    Maybe Trump should declare that France's occupation of Brittany is illegal under international law unless they sign a trade deal with him or something.

    People's obsession with Israel is absurd. Face it, the Jewish state is here to say; it's not going to be abolished and the Jews aren't going to go back to being a wandering minority at the mercy of baying lynchmobs of psychotic Jew-haters. The sooner you accept this the easier it will be for everyone.
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    Well, here's a new and strange success for Trump: More than half the Republicans say that they consider Trump a better president than Lincoln.

    The president's enduring popularity with his base, which has crossed to downright admiration by half the registered members of his party is unmatched and this is a success.
    I may strongly disagree with the assessment that Trump is a better president than Lincoln (which is placed on the top 5 presidents by most historians) but it is undoubtedly a success for Trump.

    Half the Republicans consider Trump a better president than Lincoln. I am not sure that the Republicans felt that way about any president in the past... except about Lincoln.
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    Well, here's a new and strange success for Trump: More than half the Republicans say that they consider Trump a better president than Lincoln.

    The president's enduring popularity with his base, which has crossed to downright admiration by half the registered members of his party is unmatched and this is a success.
    I may strongly disagree with the assessment that Trump is a better president than Lincoln (which is placed on the top 5 presidents by most historians) but it is undoubtedly a success for Trump.

    Half the Republicans consider Trump a better president than Lincoln. I am not sure that the Republicans felt that way about any president in the past... except about Lincoln.
    Of course they do. He hates everyone they hate and confirms what they've always believed; that only white, male, heterosexual Evangelical Christians are real Americans and everyone else is a second class citizen at best.

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    Of course they do. He hates everyone they hate and confirms what they've always believed; that only white, male, heterosexual Evangelical Christians are real Americans and everyone else is a second class citizen at best.
    I don't think Trump believes that. Ivanka (woman, Jewish) in the past had more influence than many senior advisors. Kushner (Jew) STILL has more influence than many senior advisors. Ben Carson (black) was made a secretary from the first bunch and I think he's in the few that are still in their positions in the revolving door administration of Trump. Betsy DeVos (woman) is another one of the few that have stuck around for 3 years already.

    No, Trump doesn't believe that only white, male, heterosexual, Evangelicals are real Americans and everyone else is second class citizen.
    He simply succeeded in making the Evangelicals think he does. And like most of his things they close their eyes to the influence non-WASP or females hold in the administration.
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    He didn't do that. It's more evangelicals or more accurately the the evangelical leaders decided that Trump would advance dominionism and allow them to pack the courts including the supreme with far right judges. It's turned into a cult now but I really doubt there was any grand plan to court these people.
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    If Christian fundamentalists and white supremacists see you as the man to follow or at least one of theirs, something you must be doing wrong.

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