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    the Leper King's Avatar Libertus
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    Default Battle Dread and the Winning First Trait

    Battle dread keeps making my Generals aquire the "Winning FIrst" trait. After redoing a battle about 5 times, I would always get the trait.
    Untill I tried something different. I used only infantry with my General, and I finally got the "Fair Fighter" trait I was hoping to get.

    What's weird is that I did everything you WOULD do to get Battle Dread. I had an equal Army Strength Ratio, but I had almost 200 more troops, I had a Clear Victory, and killed over 75% of the enemy, and my General killed nearly all of them (~200) including their General. I've attached some screenshots for you to see for yourself.

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    Retried the battle again, same type of victory but now I get Winning First . What am I doing wrong? I've read countless threads on the subject and looked into the trait mechanics but I still find it nearly impossible to get BattleChivalry. Battle odds don't seem to matter, General kill counts don't matter. The Fair Fighter trait requirements are also something crazy like win the battle with less than 20% of the enemy killed, odds in their favor, and you have a 30% chance to get it
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    Last edited by the Leper King; October 17, 2019 at 05:17 AM.

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    Default Re: Battle Dread and the Winning First Trait

    Fair Fighter strikes me as a bit too strong in its requirements, while Winning First is quite liberal about its applications. It's something I'd personally change up if I was designing traits and the like. It does strike me as inconsistent in application regardless, though; it would be interesting to see some views on it.

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    Default Re: Battle Dread and the Winning First Trait

    In the back of my mind I have the notion that killing fleeing enemies works towards dread.



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    Default Re: Battle Dread and the Winning First Trait

    It's way easier to get BattleDread. The best way to get BattleChivalry is to attack enemies of a different religion and to fight a battle where you are attacked and slightly outnumbered. Actually the very best way is to marry someone in your family or adopt someone with the trait.

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    Default Re: Battle Dread and the Winning First Trait

    From Salisian's guide :

    "The way BattleChivalry and BattleDread work is that they are not antitraits,
    but instead, are handled by having each trigger for one check to make sure
    there are no points of the other. This means that sometimes the game favors
    one or the other, depending on which conditions it checks first.

    A general offered for adoption, lesser adoption or marriage gains a point of
    BattleChivalry with 50% probability. If a general offered for adoption or
    lesser adoption gains this point, he gains two more points with 33%
    probability. Note that these options come before the triggers for gaining
    BattleDread on adoption or marriage, so it is far more likely a general will
    start with BattleChivalry.

    If a general with no levels of BattleDread kills eight or more enemies in a
    battle, he gains a point of BattleChivalry.
    Note that this trigger comes -after- the similar trigger for BattleDread, so
    it is far more likely a combative general will gain points of BattleDread
    unless you somehow acquire BattleChivalry otherwise.

    If a general loses a battle in which the general did not kill any of the
    enemy, and the total number of enemy killed is less than 10%, he loses a
    point of BattleChivalry. If a general routs in battle and kills less than 8
    enemies, and the total number of enemy killed is less than 33%, he loses 2
    points of BattleChivalry. If a general routs in a battle with odds greater
    than .75, kills less than 8 enemies, and his army kills less than or equal to
    66% but greater than or equal to 33% of the enemy, he loses a point of
    BattleChivalry. If a general wins a battle with odds less than .8 in which
    he was not the attacker, he has no levels of BattleDread and he personally
    fought in combat, he gains a point of BattleChivalry. If a general wins any
    battle with odds less than or equal to .5, he personally fought in combat,
    and he does not have any levels in BattleDread, he gains a point of
    BattleChivalry with 66% probability. If a Catholic or Orthodox general with
    no levels of BattleDread attacks an Islamic general, he gains a point of
    BattleChivalry with 33% probability. If an Islamic general with no levels of
    BattleDread attacks a Catholic general, he gains a point of BattleChivalry
    with 66% probability. If a general with no levels of BattleDread wins a
    battle with success rating of average or better, kills less than 20% of the
    enemy, and the battle odds were less than .95, he gains a point of
    BattleChivalry with 33% probability."

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    Default Re: Battle Dread and the Winning First Trait

    If what you actually want is more chivalry points for your general I believe the surest way to get them is to rout the enemy army, take as many prisoners as you can and release them without ransom.
    This will also increase the chivalry points of your faction leader even if he was not in the battle.
    And it will improve your standing with all other factions, even the ones you are at war with.

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