‘No force can stop China’: Beijing shows off HYPERSONIC missiles & STEALTH drones at 70th National Day parade

[Exarch]

Exarch, have you ever considered that maybe if you didn't snarl at everyone and start from the assumption anyone who does anything but agree with you at all times on all things must be a white supremacist, people might not write off everything you say out of hand? Just a thought.

China has severe problems, many of them common to authoritarian regimes.

-Unlike a democracy China has no mechanism for forcing the government to consider the people's input when designing law and policy. Xi and the party are in command and don't appreciate backtalk from the common people. As such if the Chinese people want to influence their government, protests and violence are the only options open to them. This guarantees that China will continue to suffer unrest like what is happening in Hong Kong, no matter how hard the party comes down on dissenters.

-Thanks to it's long history of using force to solve any domestic problem, whether minorities desiring to practice their religion or the Chinese people clamoring for civil rights, any attempts at peaceful negotiation by the government are interpreted as insincere, forcing the government to continue to rely on force to deal with these domestic issues and perpetuating a cycle of violence and retaliation that drains money and lives and erodes moral, with no end in sight.

-Authoritarian regimes are politically very unstable, and China has little history of peaceful transfer of power. Since Xi is now essentially ruler for life with no plans to ever step down his government is likely going to be a breeding ground for intrigue. His eventual death will trigger a scramble as every high ranking party official makes a grab for the reins of power. This could quickly spiral into coups and counter-coups, and even civil war if the military is divided in it's support. And there is the possibility the military decides to take power for itself.

Why the baiting?

On the point, Russia has chosen to ally with commie China, the China that America fought in proxy in Korea and Vietnam, and the one sharing recent ideological trends. Supposedly, Russia still has communist ideological power-players and/or it's the trend with egalitarian Asiatics to be absolutely paranoid about the West coming to conquer them.

China has been consistently showing a lot of force since Trump entered office which most likely means that their economy really is pathetic and Democrats since at least Clinton have been receiving favors from China in order to offshore industry to them, so their only option is expansion which will patch up their economy in the short run but still produce instability later on.

I'm more curious why you are baiting so hard. Are you Russian or Chinese? Fair play, I'm just asking why.

Nemesis is a necessity for the United States, grown corrupt from abuses of power; for the twc members here who were unabashed american nationalists such that every couple of weeks you had america yeah! threads, threads like this are a necessity to remind them that memento mori.

You do seem to have a problem with race. I find it odd..

If the shoe fits.....

American society is a caste structure in flux; the white dominated majority are going to find themselves down to a mere plurality in a matter of years and this has enabled the election of a white supremacist sympathetic government and office holders. Trump is the last hurrah of the white american.

It is often said that Trump has no real ideology, which is not true—his ideology is white supremacy, in all its truculent and sanctimonious power. Trump inaugurated his campaign by casting himself as the defender of white maidenhood against Mexican “rapists,” only to be later alleged by multiple accusers, and by his own proud words, to be a sexual violator himself. White supremacy has always had a perverse sexual tint. Trump’s rise was shepherded by Steve Bannon, a man who mocks his white male critics as “cucks.” The word, derived from cuckold, is specifically meant to debase by fear and fantasy—the target is so weak that he would submit to the humiliation of having his white wife lie with black men. That the slur cuck casts white men as victims aligns with the dicta of whiteness, which seek to alchemize one’s profligate sins into virtue. So it was with Virginia slaveholders claiming that Britain sought to make slaves of them.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...coates/537909/

Putin is I think blundering. His own economy cannot sustain the scale of military he wants but his military exports are a rare source of high vale (aside from raw materials). Overall he is selling a lot jewels to China with out I think an expectation of long term gain.

...as opposed to the joys of being part of the Washington Consensus as Russia experienced before 1999 when Putin became President?

Russians like Putin know which way the wind's blowing which is why he told Macron to go back to his granny and make love to his himself when Macron tried to sell a great white alliance to Putin. And you're wrong about Russia's economy btw, even with sanctions, Russia's economy is still growing; China simply outclasses any country out there with the amount of capital it can throw into weapons tech research. China's going to get there, why not help an ally out as well as come to the head of the line when it comes to goodies? Marrying Russian tech with Chinese capital and tech is marriage made in heaven.

In any case better early warning is probably a good thing as I said, minimizes the risk of mistakes.

Yes, the only factor left is having to contend with eschatologist US leaders willing to destroy the world if surpassed by a peer superpower.

Policy is talk. Mistakes have been made and there were several close calls during the cold war. Tensions are tensions. Its so much what anyone's system can do by design or even as implemented. What will they when hacked, degraded, attacked, etc.

Indeed, and thanks to the demonstration by Trump of tearing up NPTs and arms reductions treaties, we can happily expect more tensions and weapons tech.

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Which great white alliance are you dreaming about here.

Macron dreams about a pan huwhite supremacist empire, not unlike ppl from the daily stormer or the altright like richard spencer advocate. Granted, they talk about a "white homeland" that just so happens to involve ethnically cleansing the part of the world deemd to be 'european homelands'.

Is China part of the west or not. They copied the silly XM-29. Being both overly heavy and tactically unclear as to what the guy holding it is supposed to be. A grenadier or a rifleman? (*) it seems the kind of thing people who watched Aliens too much think is cewl. Also the small grenade with all the high tech gizmo stuff really lowers effective payload.
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oh how could i forget?! The PLA is introducing a new rifle:

Below is a link to a CRS report on Hypersonic Weapons (2019). Also highlighted are a few passages for Exarch.

Hypersonic Weapons: Background and Issues for Congress (Sept 2019)
https://fas.org/sgp/crs/weapons/R45811.pdf

Highlights:

That was a wonderful read, thank you for that.

Ok, key points, THAAD in south korea won't be able to cover the area those DF-41 launchers will be deployed; PLA shows mobile variants precisely to confounc such detection tools and even so, from the report:

As physicist and nuclear expert James Acton explains, “pointdefense systems, and particularly [Terminal High-Altitude Area Defense (THAAD)], could veryplausibly be adapted to deal with hypersonic missiles. The disadvantage of those systems is thatthey can only defend small areas. To defend the whole of the continental United States, you would need an unaffordable number of THAAD batteries.”15 In addition, some analysts haveargued that the United States’ current command and control architecture would be incapable of“processing data quickly enough to respond to and neutralize an incoming hypersonic threat

Guess it's a good thing China AI is worlds ahead of US AI research; if the Chinese were to reverse engineer THAAD and couple it with military AI, they could process data much more quickly and easily to respond to any potential US hypersonic nuclear threat.

And i say potential because from the very same report:

Unlike China and Russia, the United States is not currently developing hypersonic weapons foruse with a nuclear warhead. As a result, U.S. hypersonic weapons will likely require greateraccuracy and will be more technically challenging to develop than nuclear-armed Chinese andRussian systems. Indeed, according to one expert, “a nuclear-armed glider would be effective if itwere 10 or even 100 times less accurate [than a conventionally-armed glider]” due to nuclearblast effects.20

According to a China Academy of Aerospace Aerodynamics (CAAA) press release, China alsosuccessfully tested Starry Sky-2 (or Xing Kong-2), a nuclear-capable hypersonic vehicleprototype, in August 2018.77 Unlike the DF-ZF, Starry Sky-2 is a “waverider” that uses poweredflight after launch and derives lift from its own shockwaves. CAAA claims the vehicle reachedtop speeds of Mach 6 and executed a series of in-flight maneuvers before landing. Some reportsindicate that the Starry Sky-2 could be operational by 2025.78 U.S. officials have declined tocomment on the program.7

Having said that, the reports do tend to overstate rival arms abilities given the penchant for the Pentagon to wheedle Congress out of more money, but given that the past 10 years have seen the US military budget explode with very little to show for it, other than an overpriced stealth jet fighter that was detected by German radar, and countless cocaine binges by the Pentagon, how is it that China and Russia have managed to surpass the US in weapons tech development for only a fraction of the funding?

That's the real Scooby Doo mystery right there.

[Vanoi]

Having said that, the reports do tend to overstate rival arms abilities given the penchant for the Pentagon to wheedle Congress out of more money, but given that the past 10 years have seen the US military budget explode with very little to show for it, other than an overpriced stealth jet fighter that was detected by German radar, and countless cocaine binges by the Pentagon, how is it that China and Russia have managed to surpass the US in weapons tech development for only a fraction of the funding

Come on now Exarch. I know you're ignoring my posts now but lets at least be honest here. You can hate on the F-35, but even China is using the information on the JSF project it hacked from Australia to develop its own J-31. Just like it used technology from the F117 Nighthawk to develop the J-20. Gotta be careful though. One of the last times China used stolen technology to develop an aircraft it backfired in the form of the J-15. Even the Russians made fun of the J-15.
https://www.businessinsider.com/russ...-moscow-2018-9

[Exarch]

Come on now Exarch. I know you're ignoring my posts now but lets at least be honest here. You can hate on the F-35, but even China is using the information on the JSF project it hacked from Australia to develop its own J-31. Just like it used technology from the F117 Nighthawk to develop the J-20. Gotta be careful though. One of the last times China used stolen technology to develop an aircraft it backfired in the form of the J-15. Even the Russians made fun of the J-15.
https://www.businessinsider.com/russ...-moscow-2018-9

The F-117? The one the Serbs managed to shoot down?



...and typical of the desperate white american need to feel superior, your news is out of date. The Aryans in Deutschland whom white americans worship as ubermenschen have sought out Chinese jet engines to buy. Yes, the Germans want to buy Chinese jet engines, you heard me correctly:

China in talks for sale of jet engine technology to Germany

Source: https://www.scmp.com/news/china/soci...nology-germany

oh and fighter jet engines? Yeah the Chinese have that squared away with or without Russian help, don't you worry, the PLAAF will be dropping Chinese made bombs on american targets with powered Chinese designed, built and manufactured jet engines

China’s air force announced last week that a squadron of J-16s would soon be combat ready
. Based on the Russian Sukhoi-30 fighter jet, the J-16 was introduced around 2012 to 2013 but did not make its official debut until a year ago, during a military parade marking the 90th anniversary
of the People’s Liberation Army. Powered by a Chinese WS-10 Taihang turbofan engine, the fighter jet has been compared to the US F-15A/C Eagle.

Source: https://www.scmp.com/news/china/dipl...6-fighter-jets

Now if the Russians are happy to give highly sensitive tech like ICBM detection radar arrays to the Chinese, we can expect joint cooperation in fighter jet engines soon enough:

[Vanoi]

The F-117? The one the Serbs managed to shoot down?

Wasn't actually referring to the F117 when i said stolen technology. China bought that off the Serbs. Make fun of it but China seemed to think it was worth buying and studying. Its a good platform for China to start on if it ever wanted to develop stealth aircraft of its own.

...and typical of the desperate white american need to feel superior, your news is out of date. The Aryans in Deutschland whom white americans worship as ubermenschen have sought out Chinese jet engines to buy. Yes, the Germans want to buy Chinese jet engines, you heard me correctly:

Source: https://www.scmp.com/news/china/soci...nology-germany

Turbine bkades, not jet engines. From your source:

The machinery produced turbine blades capable of withstanding temperatures several hundred degrees Celsius higher than the melting point of metallic alloys, the scientist said.

oh and fighter jet engines? Yeah the Chinese have that squared away with or without Russian help, don't you worry, the PLAAF will be dropping Chinese made bombs on american targets with powered Chinese designed, built and manufactured jet engines

Source: https://www.scmp.com/news/china/dipl...6-fighter-jets

Now if the Russians are happy to give highly sensitive tech like ICBM detection radar arrays to the Chinese, we can expect joint cooperation in fighter jet engines soon enough:

Jet engines won't solve the J-15s problems though. It can't launch off its current aircraft carrier with heavy weapons because of its heavy weight along with crappy engines and other technical problems since its not a true Su-33 anyways but a copy of a prototype spliced with some domestic changes. Its like Frakenstein.

The J-16 is cool, but that can't fly off aircraft carriers.

And do remember. You only get joint cooperation if you actually bother to buy their technology and the licensing to produce it this time. Try not to steal anymore of Russia's stuff or they'll get pissed again.

[Exarch]

Wasn't actually referring to the F117 when i said stolen technology. China bought that off the Serbs. Make fun of it but China seemed to think it was worth buying and studying. Its a good platform for China to start on if it ever wanted to develop stealth aircraft of its own.

Hey now, i'm not hating on the F-117, it's a beautiful bird and if i were the billionaire playboy type, i'd want one for my collection; you shouldn't hate on the Chinese for innovating off pilfered technology, after all, your American innovators started off copying British and European inventions:

The upstart nation was a den of intellectual piracy. One of its top officials urged his countrymen to steal and copy foreign machinery. Across the ocean, a leading industrial power tried in vain to guard its trade secrets from the brash young rival.
In the late 18th and early 19th centuries, the rogue nation was the United States. The official endorsing thievery was Treasury Secretary Alexander Hamilton. And the main victim was Britain.

Source: https://www.apnews.com/b40414d22f2248428ce11ff36b88dc53

Turbine bkades, not jet engines. From your source:

Jet engines won't solve the J-15s problems though. It can't launch off its current aircraft carrier with heavy weapons because of its heavy weight along with crappy engines and other technical problems since its not a true Su-33 anyways but a copy of a prototype spliced with some domestic changes. Its like Frakenstein.

The J-16 is cool, but that can't fly off aircraft carriers.

And do remember. You only get joint cooperation if you actually bother to buy their technology and the licensing to produce it this time. Try not to steal anymore of Russia's stuff or they'll get pissed again.

Funny you should mention carrier capable fighters, since the J-15s are no longer in the picture, i present to you the FC-31:

ChinaÂ’s medium-sized stealth fighter jet FC-31 may be deployed on future aircraft carriers: sources

China's future aircraft carriers will see stealth warplanes on their decks, likely the medium-sized fighter jet FC-31, said Chinese military experts as the People's Liberation Army (PLA) is procuring stealth parts for China's aircraft carrier-based fighter jet manufacturer.

And those FC-31s will be equipped with new turbofan engines:

Top new turbofan engine to power China's carrier-based stealth fighters: specialist

With 124 members who are 35 years old or younger, the 193-person development team at the Gas Turbine Research Institute under the state-owned Aero Engine Corporation of China will receive a provincial award during China's Youth Day on May 4, according to a statement released by the government of Chengdu, capital of Southwest China's Sichuan Province, on its WeChat account on Monday.

Without disclosing the designation of the engine, the statement said it is a piece of military equipment that will rival advanced foreign fighter jets and represents China's highest technical level in aero engines. It is one of several major aero engine projects of the country, the statement said.

Source: http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1146297.shtml

It really epitomises the nature of China's rise; the innovators and scientists in China are mostly young, Zoomers or millenials; the scientists who monitor Chinese SLS launches are also in the same generation so you don't have the institutional fossilisation that you see in legacy organisations (looking at you, NASA and the Pentagon).

So coupling new stealth fighters, with new Chinese made jet engines, on Chinese EMALS aircraft carriers, protected by flotillas of railgun equipped Chinese warships, not to mention this monster:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Type 55 Destroyers,

I dare say the next decade will be interesting times indeed.

[conon394]

Source: http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1146297.shtml

You know Exach I do try to blatant PR statements devoid of fact.

It really epitomises the nature of China's rise; the innovators and scientists in China are mostly young, Zoomers or millenials; the scientists who monitor Chinese SLS launches are also in the same generation so you don't have the institutional fossilisation that you see in legacy organisations (looking at you, NASA and the Pentagon).

Err yep. I cans see owned the US there with an unsubstantiated claim. I'll return the favor you could more or less get the same stats for any biotech or university type research center I have supported in IT. Hey if you mention NASA do I get to make a joke about not loosing their space station.


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Got to say I suppose its good to see China wasting money on EMALS and the weird rail gun obsession the US seems to have sparked. On the latter I really have failed to see anyone describe just what exactly a hugely expensive piece of power hungry crap is really going to do.

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On the rifle seen that was not my point

https://www.popsci.com/china-is-tryi...assault-rifle/

Interesting move away from the QBZ-95-1. A lose I think for the Bull pup design.

But my point was following the US in playing around with a silly guns carrying a 20mm grenade. Thankfully for a change the US stop at testing.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/bu...included-50602

On any grounds it looks like a stupid waste of money based on a hey they have one thinking and not noticing what the infantry actually fighting forever is finding effective.

[95thrifleman]

You know Exach I do try to blatant PR statements devoid of fact.



Err yep. I cans see owned the US there with an unsubstantiated claim. I'll return the favor you could more or less get the same stats for any biotech or university type research center I have supported in IT. Hey if you mention NASA do I get to make a joke about not loosing their space station.


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Got to say I suppose its good to see China wasting money on EMALS and the weird rail gun obsession the US seems to have sparked. On the latter I really have failed to see anyone describe just what exactly a hugely expensive piece of power hungry crap is really going to do.

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On the rifle seen that was not my point

https://www.popsci.com/china-is-tryi...assault-rifle/

Interesting move away from the QBZ-95-1. A lose I think for the Bull pup design.

But my point was following the US in playing around with a silly guns carrying a 20mm grenade. Thankfully for a change the US stop at testing.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/bu...included-50602

On any grounds it looks like a stupid waste of money based on a hey they have one thinking and not noticing what the infantry actually fighting forever is finding effective.

I think the bullpup has had it's day, France has gone over to the HK416 to replace the old bugle for instance. The point of the bullpup was to have a full scale rifle in a carbine package but more and more militaries are going over to carbines now which make the bullpup redundant and the bullpup design has it's own set of flaws.

When you look at the M4, M416, G36k and AK-12, you see the way things are evolving.

[conon394]

I think the bullpup has had it's day, France has gone over to the HK416 to replace the old bugle for instance. The point of the bullpup was to have a full scale rifle in a carbine package but more and more militaries are going over to carbines now which make the bullpup redundant and the bullpup design has it's own set of flaws.

When you look at the M4, M416, G36k and AK-12, you see the way things are evolving.

Heckler won the USMC over with a variant HK416 as well. For everything from rifle to SAW to sniper.

[95thrifleman]

Heckler won the USMC over with a variant HK416 as well. For everything from rifle to SAW to sniper.

In all fairness Heckler and Koch have dominated small arms since the 70's and rightly so, they set the standards for quality and reliability.

[conon394]

In all fairness Heckler and Koch have dominated small arms since the 70's and rightly so, they set the standards for quality and reliability.

It nice to see the US swallow pride a bit occasionally and just buy the best. I'd love the Pentagon to buy (split of course a few in Japan plus royalties and the bulk in the US) a ton Japanese AIP DE subs but that ain't going to happen. Even if they are exactly the affordable (in US Pentagon terms) weapon we need in the pissing contests we are embarked on with you name it Iran, China, NK.

[95thrifleman]

It nice to see the US swallow pride a bit occasionally and just buy the best. I'd love the Pentagon to buy (split of course a few in Japan plus royalties and the bulk in the US) a ton Japanese AIP DE subs but that ain't going to happen. Even if they are exactly the affordable (in US Pentagon terms) weapon we need in the pissing contests we are embarked on with you name it Iran, China, NK.

What do you mean occaisonally?

Do you have any idea how much yank kit is European? The M1 Abrams gun is Germany, the M249 and M240 machine guns are Belgian. With the exception of the Colt m1911, every service pistol in the US armoury is European and all the SMG/PDW weapon systems in service are either German or Austrian.

When it comes to infantry weapons, the yanks buy European, get an production license, stick an "M" esignation on and pretend it's American.

[Exarch]

You know Exach I do try to blatant PR statements devoid of fact.

With respect, the record for blatant PR statements is held by white american owned MSM; speaking of which, whatever happened to that sinophobic, racist scaremongering story from a year ago by that beacone of New England journalism?
https://twitter.com/jashkenas/status...942016/photo/1

Still no retractions by Bloomberg on that one, but there were plenty of Chinese scientists who were targeted and persecuted that year.

Err yep. I cans see owned the US there with an unsubstantiated claim. I'll return the favor you could more or less get the same stats for any biotech or university type research center I have supported in IT. Hey if you mention NASA do I get to make a joke about not loosing their space station.

Look, i know the white american penchant for denying reality for a fantasy more to one's liking is in fashion now with s/he/it/latinx cis/trans/ze, but when it comes to hard science, reality doesn't care.

Fact of the matter is, the US is dependant on foreign IQ for its R&D; having worked in research in the US myself i can attest that it's mostly foreign grad student doing most of the gruntwork and a white american who likes to swoop in and take all the credit. That's gonna be a lot harder when some of those grad students/researchers are being persecuted by the white american state.

Secondly, the anti science stance of those in power in the Beltway, eg the christians, the religious zealots, the feminazis make it hard to create an environment suitable for innovation. They're already going after STEM now, just so you know.

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Got to say I suppose its good to see China wasting money on EMALS and the weird rail gun obsession the US seems to have sparked. On the latter I really have failed to see anyone describe just what exactly a hugely expensive piece of power hungry crap is really going to do.

How did China "waste money on EMALS et al" at a fraction of the Pentagon's budget? Looks like waste is on the white american side.

https://www.popsci.com/china-is-tryi...assault-rifle/

Interesting move away from the QBZ-95-1. A lose I think for the Bull pup design.

But my point was following the US in playing around with a silly guns carrying a 20mm grenade. Thankfully for a change the US stop at testing.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/bu...included-50602

On any grounds it looks like a stupid waste of money based on a hey they have one thinking and not noticing what the infantry actually fighting forever is finding effective.

The Chinese seem to have the money to pour into military research programs AND a civilian as well as military applications of space research. That's what Deng and Mao could see, and even what Nixons and Kissinger were afraid of happening; that when the creativity and intellect of 1.4bln Chinese are unleashed, it's truly a dragon that should've been better left sleeping

[Love Mountain]

What do you mean occaisonally?

Do you have any idea how much yank kit is European? The M1 Abrams gun is Germany, the M249 and M240 machine guns are Belgian. With the exception of the Colt m1911, every service pistol in the US armoury is European and all the SMG/PDW weapon systems in service are either German or Austrian.

When it comes to infantry weapons, the yanks buy European, get an production license, stick an "M" esignation on and pretend it's American.

Europeans have their own share of bad firearms. G36, FAMAS, SA-80, et cetera. There are plenty of good US guns and manufacturers. The AR platform has been perfected to be more accurate and just as reliable as an AK. Rugers are awesome, Smith&Wesson MP9 2.0 is an excellent gun, as were many other entries in the recent MHS competition. As far as firearms go, America makes plenty of good and bad guns. Europe surely does too. Personally, the fact that American armed forces pick from a variety of manufacturers is a good thing, rather than practicing some silly form of nationalism. Ultimately, the army has to pick whats best suited for its needs and imo, us armed forces generally do okay. Of course, there's always politics involved in arms procurement but that's true of any country.

[Exarch]

Current update on the Chinese navy which was the unmentioned giant in the room at the military parade; but here's where China's navy is atm;

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

The producer of this piece didn't include the Chinese carriers, but by way of status, we have the type 001, which is just the retrofitted Varyag, the type 002 which will be EMALS powered, and the type 003 which is due in the 2020s, which will be a nuclear powered as well as EMALS capable.

Meanwhile, traitor americans are now calling for surrender for the trade war they themselves started:

The Unwinnable Trade War

Everyone Loses in the U.S.-Chinese Clash—but Especially Americans

Source: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/artic...able-trade-war
but jokes aside, this is relevant since the playbook of people who want a race war, is to sever all economic and cultural ties between China and the US and to encourage the americans to be open to the possibility of a race war with China. Hell, look at how many ppl here were tacitly accepting of a war against China up until this year probably when they realised they'd be getting their noses bloodied.

Relevant for the white americans who live in fear of China:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Keep in mind also that the weapons we've seen so far are only the ones the PLA wants us to see; who knows what the hell other horrors they've cooked up to use against white americans itching for a race war.

[conon394]

Keep in mind also that the weapons we've seen so far are only the ones the PLA wants us to see; who knows what the hell other horrors they've cooked up to use against white americans itching for a race war.

Err that first part the logic there such as it is applicable to everyone. The last bit again umm hard to make a response.

American is itching for a race war? Some might well be but even if you assume that is Trump he lost the popular vote... And the one many want is at home anyway, or with the Feds. So by acting in its own self interest and as a great power is China also itching for race war? As implemented Trump's trade war is stupid. Coordinated with our allies (and not having trade wars with them as well - its sad when the party of Lincoln elects a man who forgets his dictum - one war at a time), and with some clear set of end points I could actually be for the tariffs. But I fear in the end as the election nears Trump will simply accept some deal to have China more Soybeans and blather on about a trade deficit that was never a problem. which leads us too.

Meanwhile, traitor americans are now calling for surrender for the trade war they themselves started:

So you got no ideal how a democracy and a free press work than?

Yep as one might have expect the Trump administration run by grifter and full of hacks and grifters can't really run a Trade War. they also seem to have no real ideal how they work and who is paying US Tariffs (hint not China). How can you be a traitor if you likely never backed the policy from the beginning (I doubt you can find a FP article in favor of Trump's trade war).

Current update on the Chinese navy which was the unmentioned giant in the room at the military parade; but here's where China's navy is atm;

Nice, you know I'm not going to bother making a graphic but if you are going to add the Type 037 class than I hate to tell you the Picture of USN and USCG is a bit more than a tad bigger. Also I'm not sure padding navy numbers with LCACs really says much. The US has more. Personally I think they will be death traps in any real opposed landing but in any case they are not ships. I supposed they could just make the trip to Taiwan one way. But not likely a fun ride. When Nelson was thinking about Trafalgar, I really doubt he was adding how many whale boats the HMS Victory had to launch into his maths.

[Exarch]

Err that first part the logic there such as it is applicable to everyone. The last bit again umm hard to make a response.

American is itching for a race war? Some might well be but even if you assume that is Trump he lost the popular vote... And the one many want is at home anyway, or with the Feds. So by acting in its own self interest and as a great power is China also itching for race war? As implemented Trump's trade war is stupid. Coordinated with our allies (and not having trade wars with them as well - its sad when the party of Lincoln elects a man who forgets his dictum - one war at a time), and with some clear set of end points I could actually be for the tariffs. But I fear in the end as the election nears Trump will simply accept some deal to have China more Soybeans and blather on about a trade deficit that was never a problem. which leads us too.

It may not even come to that unfortunately, Trump has proven he's unable to honour his commitments and Beijing knows that any deal it agrees to, will be a massive political win for any US Presidential candidate.

If Trump really wanted to be sincere, he could axe most of the China Hawks in his admin. but considering they're the only allies he has in Washington, other than his family, he's pretty much railroaded himself. It's like being in prison and being forced to become a slave of the aryan brotherhood to protect yourself from the black panthers.

So you got no ideal how a democracy and a free press work than?

i know how democracy is supposed to work in theory but in practice, it's a lot more paedophilia, blackmail and assassination than what i'm used to.

Yep as one might have expect the Trump administration run by grifter and full of hacks and grifters can't really run a Trade War. they also seem to have no real ideal how they work and who is paying US Tariffs (hint not China). How can you be a traitor if you likely never backed the policy from the beginning (I doubt you can find a FP article in favor of Trump's trade war).

Funnily enough, the trade war is one of the few things that is bipartisan; both Democrats and Republicans are in favour of the trade war because they erroneously believe it will slow China's rise. Both parties, being dominated by white anglo saxon protestant WASP americans collude to benefit from perpetuating white anglo supremacy.

White supremacy is a funny thing; it relies solely on brute force, overwhelming power and fear to perpetute itself with expectations of minimal cost. China this past week has proven the myth of white supremacy, both in military terms and economic:

Did China Just Announce the End of U.S. Primacy in the Pacific?

Last week's military parade previewed a series of game-changing weapons that could neutralize American seapower.

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[COLOR=#888888 !important]Military vehicles carrying DF-17 ballistic missiles march during a parade to celebrate the 70th anniversary of the founding of the PeopleÂ’s Republic of China at Tiananmen Square on October 1, 2019 in Beijing, China. (Photo by Sheng Jiapeng/China News Service/VCG via Getty Images)[/COLOR]

For decades, the United States has taken ChinaÂ’s ballistic missile capability for granted, assessing it as a low-capability force with limited regional impact and virtually no strategic value. But on October 1, during a massive military parade celebrating the 70th anniversary of the founding of the PeopleÂ’s Republic of China (PRC), Beijing put the U.S., and the world, on notice that this assessment was no longer valid.
In one fell swoop, China may have nullified AmericaÂ’s strategic nuclear deterrent, the U.S. Pacific Fleet, and U.S. missile defense capability. Through its impressive display of new weapons systems, China has underscored the reality that while the United States has spent the last two decades squandering trillions of dollars fighting insurgents in the Middle East, Beijing was singularly focused on overcoming American military superiority in the Pacific. If the capabilities of these new weapons are taken at face value, China will have succeeded on this front.
In the West, it is called RMA, short for “Revolution in Military Affairs.” The term was first coined by Marshal Nikolai Ogarkov in the early 1980s. Ogarkov, who was at the time serving as the chief of the Soviet general staff, spoke of “developments in nonnuclear means of destruction [which] promise to make it possible to sharply increase (by at least an order of magnitude) the destructive potential of conventional weapons, bringing them closer, so to speak, to weapons of mass destruction in terms of effectiveness.”
OgarkovÂ’s work caught the attention of Andrew Marshall, who headed the PentagonÂ’s Office of Net Assessment. Marshall took OgarkovÂ’s premise and put it into action, integrating new technology with innovative operational concepts that positioned the U.S. military to be able to prevail over a numerically superior Soviet army in a ground war in Europe. The capabilities of MarshallÂ’s RMA were potently displayed during the Gulf War in 1991, when the U.S. led a coalition that handily defeated Saddam Hussein.
One of the nations keenly observing the impact of the American RMA in the Persian Gulf was China. Chinese military theorists studied how Marshall adapted OgarkovÂ’s theories into an American version of RMA, and responded with a Chinese adaptation, developing weapons specifically intended to overcome American superiority in critical areas.
These weapons became known as “shashoujian,” or “the Assassin’s Mace,” derived from the traditional Chinese way of describing a weapon of surprising power. “A shashoujian,” a contemporary Chinese military journal notes, “is a weapon that has an enormous terrifying effect on the enemy and that can produce an enormous destructive assault.” More importantly, the modern Chinese concept of shashoujian envisions not a single weapon, but rather a system of weapons that combine to produce the desired effect.
Defeating the United States in a ground war has never been an objective of the Chinese military—the Korean War was an historical anomaly. China’s focus instead has been to develop shashoujian weapons to safeguard its national security and territorial integrity. This couldn’t be accomplished simply by mimicking the American RMA example; they needed to create a uniquely Chinese military superiority that combined Western technology with Eastern wisdom. “This,” the Chinese believe, “is our trump card for winning a 21st century war.”
For China, the three principle points of potential military friction with the U.S. are Taiwan, South Korea-Japan, and the South China Sea. Apart from South Korea and Japan, where the U.S. has significant ground and air forces already forward deployed, the main threat to China is maritime power projected by American aircraft carrier battlegroups and amphibious assault ships. The Chinese response was to develop a range of anti-access/area-denial (A2/AD) capabilities designed to target American naval forces before they arrived in any potential contested waters.

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Traditionally, the U.S. Navy has relied on a combination of surface warships armed with sophisticated air defense systems, submarines, and the aircraft carrier’s considerable contingent of combat aircraft to defend against hostile threats in time of war. China’s response came in the form of the DF-21D medium-range missile, dubbed the “carrier killer.” With a range of between 1,450 and 1,550 kilometers, the DF-21D employs a maneuverable warhead that can deliver a conventional high-explosive warhead with a circular error of probability (CEP) of 10 meters—more than enough to strike a carrier-sized target.
To compliment the DF-21D, China has also deployed the DF-26 intermediate-range missile, which it has dubbed the “Guam killer,” named after the American territory home to major U.S. military installations. Like the DF-21, the DF-26 has a conventionally armed variant, which is intended to be used against ships. Both missiles were featured in the 2015 military parade commemorating the founding of the PRC.
The U.S. responded to the DF-21/DF-26 threat by upgrading its anti-missile destroyers and cruisers, and forward deploying the advanced Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) surface-to-air missile system to Guam. A second THAAD system was also deployed to South Korea. From AmericaÂ’s perspective, these upgrades offset the Chinese advances in ballistic missile technology, restoring the maritime power projection capability that has served as the backbone of the U.S. military posture in the Pacific.
As capable as they were, however, the DF-21D and DF-26 were not the shashoujian weapons envisioned by Chinese military planners, representing as they did reciprocal capability, as opposed to a game-changing technology. The unveiling of the true shashoujian was reserved for last weekÂ’s parade, and it came in the form of the DF-100 and DF-17 missiles.
The DF-100 is a vehicle-mounted supersonic cruise missile “characterized by a long range, high precision and quick responsiveness,” according to the Chinese press. When combined with the DF-21/DF-26 threat, the DF-100 is intended to overwhelm any existing U.S. missile defense capability, turning the Navy into a virtual sitting duck. As impressive as the DF-100 is, however, it was overshadowed by the DF-17, a long-range cruise missile equipped with a hypersonic glide warhead, which maneuvers at over seven times the speed of sound—faster than any of the missiles the U.S. possesses to intercept it. Nothing in the current U.S. arsenal can defeat the DF-17—not the upgraded anti-missile ships, THAAD, or even the Ground Based Interceptors (GBI) currently based in Alaska.
In short, in the event of a naval clash between China and the U.S., the likelihood of AmericaÂ’s fleet being sent to the bottom of the Pacific Ocean is very high.
The potential loss of the Pacific Fleet cannot be taken lightly: it could serve as a trigger for the release of nuclear weapons in response. The threat of an American nuclear attack has always been the ace in the hole for the U.S. regarding China, given that nationÂ’s weak strategic nuclear capability.
Since the 1980s, China has possessed a small number of obsolete liquid-fuel intercontinental ballistic missiles as their strategic deterrent. These missiles have a slow response time and could easily be destroyed by any concerted pre-emptive attack. China sought to upgrade its ICBM force in the late 1990s with a new road-mobile solid fuel missile, the DF-31. Over the course of the next two decades, China has upgraded the DF-31, improving its accuracy and mobility while increasing the number of warheads it carries from one to three. But even with the improved DF-31, China remained at a distinct disadvantage with the U.S. when it came to overall strategic nuclear capability.
While the likelihood that a few DF-31 missiles could be launched and their warheads reach their targets in the U.S., the DF-31 was not a “nation killing” system. In short, any strategic nuclear exchange between China and the U.S. would end with America intact and China annihilated. As such, any escalation of military force by China that could have potentially ended in an all-out nuclear war was suicidal, in effect nullifying any advantage China had gained by deploying the DF-100 and DF-17 missiles.
Enter the DF-41, ChinaÂ’s ultimate shashoujian weapon. A three-stage, road-mobile ICBM equipped with between six and 10 multiple independently targetable reentry vehicle (MIRV) warheads, the DF-41 provides China with a nuclear deterrent capable of surviving an American nuclear first strike and delivering a nation-killing blow to the United States in retaliation. The DF-41 is a strategic game changer, allowing China to embrace the mutual assured destruction (MAD) nuclear deterrence posture previously the sole purview of the United States and Russia.
In doing so, China has gained the strategic advantage over the U.S. when it comes to competing power projection in the Pacific. Possessing a virtually unstoppable A2/AD capability, Beijing is well positioned to push back aggressively against U.S. maritime power projection in the South China Sea and the Taiwan Straits.
Most who watched the Chinese military parade on October 1 saw what looked to be some interesting missiles. For the informed observer, however, they were witnessing the end of an era. Previously, the United States could count on its strategic nuclear deterrence to serve as a restraint against any decisive Chinese reaction to aggressive American military maneuvers in the Pacific. Thanks to the DF-41, this capability no longer exists. Now the U.S. will be compelled to calculate how much risk it is willing to take when it comes to enforcing its sacrosanct “freedom of navigation.”
While the U.S. commitment to Taiwan’s independence remains steadfast, its willingness to go to war with China over the South China Sea may not be as firm. The bottom line is that China, with a defense budget of some $250 billion, has successfully combined “Western technology with Eastern wisdom,” for which the U.S. has no response.

Scott Ritter is a former Marine Corps intelligence officer who served in the former Soviet Union implementing arms control treaties, in the Persian Gulf during Operation Desert Storm, and in Iraq overseeing the disarmament of WMD. He is the author ofseveral books, most recently,Deal of the Century: How Iran Blocked the WestÂ’s Road to War (2018).

Source: https://www.theamericanconservative....in-the-pacific
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[Exarch]

Australians are looking to give up on white anglo supremacy and embrace and accept China as the hegemon of the Asia-Pacific. They will be damned as race traitors by the FVEYEs.

Between China and America, we chose the wrong friend

Source:https://independentaustralia.net/pol...g-friend,13199

The fact is, the Chinese economy is powering ahead, is on track to overtake the US economy in nominal terms in a matter of years:

The American Dream Is Alive In China

Source: https://palladiummag.com/2019/10/11/...live-in-china/

Success breeds jealousy, which is why Chinese President Xi had this to say:

Xi warns any attempt to divide China will end in ‘SHATTERED BONES’

https://www.rt.com/news/470845-hong-...ones-china-xi/

[Coughdrop addict]

We've heard this all before. The fact is no one can 100% predict how the world political and economic landscape is going to go because all such predictions can only account for things as they are now. Throw in a new factor and it can change things radically.

The Soviet Union was a global superpower, until it collapsed from decades of poor leadership, cronyism, and widespread abuse of it's own people.

Japan was on track to overtake the US economy and be the new financial nexus of the world. Then that all fell apart and they had the lost decade.

China currently puffs out it's chest and tries to project as a superpower, yet the seeds of it's fall have already been planted. Xi being emperor for life and the social credit system are indicative of a government that fears and distrusts it's own people. The average Chinese citizen thus has no say in the state and is encouraged to keep quiet and stay unnoticed, as notice leads to death or the labor camps. This has traditionally led to ossification and stagnation, an inability to adapt to a constantly changing world. We are already seeing this with China forced to reverse-engineer the military technology of others rather than rely on home-grown innovation. It seems that outlawing thoughts that the government disapproves of has also had the effect of stifling creativity and innovation.

[Exarch]

We've heard this all before. The fact is no one can 100% predict how the world political and economic landscape is going to go because all such predictions can only account for things as they are now. Throw in a new factor and it can change things radically.

The Soviet Union was a global superpower, until it collapsed from decades of poor leadership, cronyism, and widespread abuse of it's own people.

Japan was on track to overtake the US economy and be the new financial nexus of the world. Then that all fell apart and they had the lost decade.

China currently puffs out it's chest and tries to project as a superpower, yet the seeds of it's fall have already been planted. Xi being emperor for life and the social credit system are indicative of a government that fears and distrusts it's own people. The average Chinese citizen thus has no say in the state and is encouraged to keep quiet and stay unnoticed, as notice leads to death or the labor camps. This has traditionally led to ossification and stagnation, an inability to adapt to a constantly changing world. We are already seeing this with China forced to reverse-engineer the military technology of others rather than rely on home-grown innovation. It seems that outlawing thoughts that the government disapproves of has also had the effect of stifling creativity and innovation.

Certainly, powers rise and fall; China herself has had no less than 4-5 Golden Ages and falls in its entire history; we're just in the upward cycle of the rise of the current version of China.

I will however, correct some misconceptions; Chinese President Xi didn't make himself Emperor for Life, that's orientalist MSM journalists for you; Xi got rid of term limits because going into the 2020s, as China surpasses the US economy in nominal GDP and with the USG committed to containing China, it makes sense to have a steady hand at the helm.

Secondly, the Chinese citizenry has plenty of say in government; that's what sina weibo are for; China is a consultative technocracy; the Chinese government is accountable to the public at every step of the way, and you see it in Gallup polls which show over 80% approval ratings, which is puzzling because if, as you say, democracy is needed before good governance, why is it that americans have such a low approval rating of their own government, scoring in the 30% or not worse?

There's a whole lot of other misconceptions in your post, but i won't fault you since the american mass media functions as a support tool for the USG in maintaining order; if China really did conduct industrial espionage (no proof btw, whereas there are plenty of US conducting industrial espionage for its own firms eg ECHELON), then from whom did they 'steal' in order to become the pioneers of 5G tech, AI, railgun technology, HGVs, amongst others?

The fact is, you have been lied to by your own media; China's not the one trying to interfere with US elections, but there's plenty of US interference in Chinese society and politics; these weapons we've seen from the parade? they're geared towards a US ruling class that can't let go of the fact that they lost China in 1949, and that they have no way of controlling China. DF-41 is not targeted at you personally, it's targeted at the Hamptons, at the nuclear bunkers in New Zealand or the Rockies or wherever the 1% hope to hide out when the hits the fan.

[conon394]

OK Exach lets stop the video and a fair approximation of reality 2020.

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Fist thing let me preface by pointing out I could care less if China's nominal GDP passes the US. Am I any richer or poorer on that day or the next. Nope. Second given the size of China population 4-5 times that of the US.its mainly the Chinese who should be asking why they are still waiting. The long term forecast for China is not that rosy.

https://knoema.com/loqqwx/china-gdp-...ata-and-charts

In any case back to the not caring part. The only bar that matters is the Per Capita one. Critically I most interested in US policy that makes sure Americans can share equitably in the enormous pie they sit on. I don't really like the trend in wealth and income inequality, in fact I find it ominously bad. I alarms me far more that new Chinese missiles or how fast their pie is growing.

Source: https://palladiummag.com/2019/10/11/...live-in-china/

Rose colored glasses much?

"In addition, as I write this piece, millions of people in the Bay are experiencing a multi-day planned blackout."

Because China never has those right, err nope...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...rgy-efficiency

https://www.forbes.com/sites/william.../#58e0c0ae7900


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"railgun technology,"

got to say the sooner China puts one these white elephants on a type 055 and looses VLS cells the better day it will be for the USN

https://twitter.com/dafengcao/status...-in-war-2019-1