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    The decline of the United States is apparent:
    Beijing has unveiled its nuclear-capable hypersonic glide vehicle and showed off other latest military tech at a grand parade at Tiananmen Square, marking the 70th anniversary of the founding of the PeopleÂ’s Republic of China.Following a flag raising ceremony, President Xi Jinping addressed the nation, hailing the countryÂ’s achievements over seven decades, and spoke with optimism about ChinaÂ’s future.
    “The Chinese people managed to stand up on their feet and embark on a great journey of national rejuvenation,” he said.

    No force can stop the Chinese people and the Chinese nation forging ahead.


    But let's talk about the weapons, true America killers through and through:

    DF-41D, an America killer, it has the largest range out of all the existing ICBMs to date and can be MIRV'd, and given the numbers of existing DF-41's, i'm willing to bet that China's going to drop its minimum deterrence nuclear warheads sometime in the near future:
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    Carrying up to 10 nuclear warheads, it can travel from mainland China to New York within 20 minutes. Enough time for repent for your sins before Judgement Day.

    Next up, we've got the DF-17,
    Beijing put some of its most cutting-edge military hardware on display, including the Dongfeng-17 (DF-17), a hypersonic glide vehicle attached to a short-to-medium-range ballistic missile, which is believed to have the ability to breach any of the missile defense systems currently deployed by potential adversaries.
    https://twitter.com/divert_thruster/status/1178872944627519488?s=20

    How pissed off would you be if you spent billions on missile defence that can't even defeat a Chinese HGV?

    along with several other drones,
    A new supersonic reconnaissance drone, the DR-8, was also shown off during the parade, which Beijing will use as a sensor platform in conjunction with ballistic missile systems.
    The parade is still ongoing, so will update as the festivities proceed. Now we know why the US is so desperate for a new cold war with China, it's too late, China is, can and will supersede the United States and there's nothing that can be done to turn back the clock 1995.

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    Everyone parades shiny toys, but until they can actually demonstrate their military capability in combat, I am unimpressed. Combat doesn't always play out as it does in propaganda booklet they give you.
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    China can stop China.

    Look at what China is doing overall. Social credit system..because china has trust issue with its own citizens. Camps for Uygurs because they are muslims and too different. Trying to remove Christianity..trying to remove anything that sets you apart. Great China Firewall to keep outside world outside. Cameras and policemen on every corner. China is heading for Orwell 1984. And it makes sense. China is notorious with faking economic numbers and after so many yers or growth how many possible bubbles are hidden in economy. You know which fun fact is paired with wealth growth for middle class? Bigger activity of citizens. Local local self-governance. Different activist groups fro ecology and changing surroundings. And one thing China officials hate at most. People having say in anything. Because that is one step of lost power and first step to revolution in their eyes.

    And while you say how these new toys are great. China has not conduct any war in recent history. While USA...well China fails to reproduce engines from SU-35 yet making the final version for J-20. At the same time while while they boast with new anti ship missile DF-21- They never tried hitting actual moving ship to my knowledge (because otherwise they would say so..) So until all these toys are tested, they are just that. Expensive toys.

    Now the real problem for China is brewing elsewhere. Contesting USA on water is nice but China is not trying to make allies, just slaves. Bind them via money. Slowly all states in region will recognize that China´s money are not gift but tool to make them serve. Just bow them and repeat china position in UN or whatever. Japan is thinking about chaning military dcotrine,start building air carriers. South Korea...and India is on path to be world number one by 2030-2050. And China has a few issues with India especially when these two will fight for local dominance..

    And at the same time, try to google something about ecology in China. It is probably one of the most world polluted state at all.

    EDIT: probably people will ask, why Am I talking about so different things. Because circumstances matter. Because it is never just about who has the biggest missile.
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    Default Re: ‘No force can stop China’: Beijing shows off HYPERSONIC missiles & STEALTH drones at 70th National Day parade

    Always good for a morning laugh

    Carrying up to 10 nuclear warheads, it can travel from mainland China to New York within 20 minutes. Enough time for repent for your sins before Judgement Day.
    Err because China wants mutually assured destruction?

    How pissed off would you be if you spent billions on missile defence that can't even defeat a Chinese HGV?
    It works, is cost effective? Look the US got one of those too. What's going providing the targeting for all these wonder weapons - China's or those of anyone else.

    When you have realistic testing data and demonstration combined with cost estimates and reliability I'll be more interested.
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    HGVs, UCAVs and other America Killers


    Most notable, you'll observe, is the UCAVs (aptly named Dark Sword), swarms of them will be overpowering US carrier groups and picking off the survivors with anti ship ballistic missiles.

    Look also at the DF-17s, those babies will punch their way through any ABM shield, deftly avoiding the defence systems and punching their way into their targets like the judgement of God unto the sinners.

    Why am i making it America specific? Because Americans appear confident they can win a war with China when the reality is they'll be turned into hamburger by minute 29. That is, if they can stop wheezing from doing 2 pushups and having heart attacks on the obstacle course .

    Even the race traitor Australians have admitted the superiority of the Chinese weapons systems:
    ChinaÂ’s military showed off a new hypersonic ballistic nuclear missile believed capable of breaching all existing anti-missile shields deployed by the US and its allies.
    The Dongfeng was among the weapons on display.

    The vehicle-mounted DF-17 (Dongfeng) was among weapons displayed on Tuesday in a massive military parade marking the 70th anniversary of the founding of the Chinese state.
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    #ChinaDefense China showcased its JL-2 nuclear-capable submarine-launched ballistic missiles for the first time during the National Day parade held in Beijing on Tuesday.








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    Some analysts have called the missile a threat to regional stability because its speed allows far less time to determine whether to fire nuclear weapons in response.
    That speed and its use of multiple independently maneuverable re-entry vehicles to deliver its warheads makes it far more difficult to detect and intercept. The DF-17Â’s hypersonic glide vehicle technology also permits it to fly at a much lower altitude just prior to delivering its warhead, further frustrating attempts to detect and intercept.


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    Some 15,000 troops along with tanks, missiles and high-tech drones paraded down the Avenue of Eternal Peace as Xi and other Communist Party leaders watched from a rostrum overlooking BeijingÂ’s Tiananmen Square.
    Now, also the gala show because Americans need to know that their own crass militarism isn't merely their own monopoly:
    Last edited by Exarch; October 01, 2019 at 08:52 AM.

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    So now China is ready to invade Hong Kong I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidin View Post
    So now China is ready to invade Hong Kong I guess.
    Why would China invade itself?

    That's like something out of iamverysmart or quotes from will smith's kid.

    Anyway, getting back to the topic at hand, the WZ-8, Dark Sword UCAV
    China unveils new high-altitude, high-speed reconnaissance drone WZ-8


    By Yang Sheng and Liu Xuanzun Source:Global Times Published: 2019/10/1 11:32:18 Last Updated: 2019/10/1 17:57:59



    China unveils for the first time its high-altitude, high-speed drone, the WZ-8, at the National Day parade held in Beijing on October 1, 2019. Photo: Fan Lingzhi/GT

    China unveiled for the first time its high-altitude, high-speed drone, the WZ-8, at the National Day parade in Beijing, and Chinese experts said that the drone can provide more reliable reconnaissance data than satellites.

    Uniquely shaped like a dagger with small wings, the reconnaissance drone is likely able to fly at a high-supersonic speed and have stealth capabilities, military analysts said.

    Trucks carried the aircraft as a part of the unmanned weaponry phalanx in the parade.

    The drone is likely launched in the air via a bomber or transport aircraft, military analysts said.

    The biggest advantage of the drone is that it can effectively gather intelligence in real time in a controllable way compared to other platforms like satellites, Wu Jian, editor of Defense Weekly under Shanghai-based Xinmin Evening News, told the Global Times.

    A satellite must travel along its orbit and conduct reconnaissance only when it is above the target, Wu said, pointing out that this can be calculated by the enemy, and can create fake intelligence.



    A high-altitude, high-speed reconnaissance drone will not have this problem, Wu said, noting that the drone will also act as a soft deterrence, giving the message that the Chinese military can engage in reconnaissance on its targets, so can it launch strikes on them.
    The most interesting thing about Dark Sword is that it doesn't appear to be air breathing so maybe it can travel at higher altitudes and make use of the earth's atmosphere for plasma shielding the way the Russian Avangard stealths itself.

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    The problem is that everyone keeps equating "China" and "Chinese" with the CCP. Which no doubt is the intention of the latter, because it lets every anti-CCP action appear "anti-Chinese" and predictably enrages gullible "patriots".

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    Quote Originally Posted by athanaric View Post
    The problem is that everyone keeps equating "China" and "Chinese" with the CCP. Which no doubt is the intention of the latter, because it lets every anti-CCP action appear "anti-Chinese" and predictably enrages gullible "patriots".
    They only control 70% of the government minimum. So when discussing China from a government standpoint it's a fair statement to make.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daruwind View Post

    Now the real problem for China is brewing elsewhere. Contesting USA on water is nice but China is not trying to make allies, just slaves. Bind them via money. Slowly all states in region will recognize that China´s money are not gift but tool to make them serve. Just bow them and repeat china position in UN or whatever. Japan is thinking about chaning military dcotrine,start building air carriers. South Korea...and India is on path to be world number one by 2030-2050. And China has a few issues with India especially when these two will fight for local dominance..
    And is USA different? Marshall plan is created exactly to make countries slaves after WW2; If you want dollars, you'll give bases to USA. And USA effectively used its army&navy to further its economical interests. At 1854, USA sent its fleet to Tokyo Bay to open Japanese trade. At 1898, US secret service destroyed its own ship at Havana port to invade Cuba and Philippines. Do you think Chinese forgot opium war? West used trade to built their empires, why China won't repeat their methods?

    Today, China is a primary trading partner for all African nations and they give them better trade conditions than their former European masters. Yes, most of their weapons are untested but do you know that US navy can no more come close to Chinese coast? For example, no US aircraft carrier passed from Taiwan street for the last 12 years. And, if Chinese want to test their weapons, maybe they will use some of Western methods; for example, a chinese ship destroyed at Tokyo port... All in the name of saving Japan from USA occupation of course, just like USA wanted to liberate Cuba from Spanish occupation at 1898. Obviously, Cuba and Philippines somehow became US colonies instead but no one knows what will happen after a war. And Chinese themselves love Japanese soooo much, i'm sure they can't wait to show them the same love Japanese showed them between 1919-1945.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch
    Even the race traitor Australians have admitted the superiority of the Chinese weapons systems
    Not every one is a traitor/voted for current government - but yeah large Chinese community in Australia so they have big influence when it comes to elections + the environmentalist have brainwashed the community at large- Australia in general is very much anti-nuclear at present.
    Currently our only nuclear reactor, at Lucas Heights in Sydney, has halted production of the radioisotope Molybdenum-99 -this means people wont be able to have medical tests/scans in the next few weeks; good luck if u have cancer but not yet know it- might be too late when u finally do!
    I know of at least one CT/Medical Imaging department working overtime in the last three weeks to do as much medical scan/test as possible before the isotope decays to a point when medical scans won't be possible.
    With no nuclear capabilities we are so ing unprepared for the inevitable world conflict that looks eminent on our current trajectory. Thanks to weak leadership/government there is a good chance Australia will get invaded in my lifetime/my children's lifetime IMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stario View Post
    Not every one is a traitor/voted for current government - but yeah large Chinese community in Australia so they have big influence when it comes to elections + the environmentalist have brainwashed the community at large- Australia in general is anti-nuclear at present.

    Currently our only nuclear reactor, at Lucas Heights in Sydney's south, has halted production of the radioisotope Molybdenum-99 -this means people wont be able to have medical tests/scans in the next few weeks; good luck if u have cancer but not yet know it- might be too late when u finally do!
    I know of at least one CT/Medical Imaging department working overtime in the last three weeks to do as much medical scan/test as possible before the isotope decays to a point when medical scans won't be possible.

    With no nuclear capabilities we are so ing unprepared for the inevitable world conflict that looks eminent on our current trajectory. Thanks to weak leadership/government there is a good chance Australia will get invaded in my lifetime/my children's life time IMO
    Australia is a strange case; it has all the tools eg uranium deposits, rare earths, to become a great power or at least a neutral superpower like Switzerland, but the cowardice of the white supremacist leadership means that they will forever be slaved to the white anglo supremacism of the Five Eyes. The last independant Australian leader Gough Whitlam was removed in a CIA sponsored coup and since then all successive administrations have been anglo american stooges.

    Having said that, the rising Chinese influence, not to mention the growing power of the Chinese electorate and Chinese economics means that Australia can't afford to lose China as a customer, investor and partner. It doesn't matter what the ASPI or the Rhodes Scholar Atlanticists want, or even the crass alt right australians think, the trajectory of Australia is towards a Chinese dominated future. Fun fact, some of the oldest Australian families have Chinese ancestry from the Gold Rush days; even more fun fact is that Australian girls are less race conscious than American girls and are therefore more open to Chinese husbands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    Australian girls are less race conscious than American girls and are therefore more open to Chinese husbands.
    Probably because we are (at least the new generation), so racially mixed anyways it would seem hypocritical to be too racially conscious. My kids are half European/Asian. In fact out of my close friends I don't know anyone who isn't mixed race. I even got a buddy who has ancestry from gold rush days- one side of family look 100% Chinese & the other 100% Caucasian really interesting to see.

    It will be interesting what will happen in the next 1-2 decades- once all the old British Loyalist start dying off (Australia has a much greater older population mostly Old Pommy farts- naturally also loyal to USA as they are closely related after all- who also hold much sway as they greatly outnumber the younger generation.
    ...Things may change in the not to distance future (as far as Australia becoming a Nuclear Superpower), but it already might be too late!?!

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    Is that it? Thats what the US is supposed to be scared of?

    Meanwhile: https://www.janes.com/article/90335/...-irbms-to-asia

    China is gettind scared at the prospects of the US deploying missiles in Asia.

    The biggest advantage China has over the US is its arsenal of IRBMs it posesses. With the US leaving the IRBM treaty and developing IRBMs of its own China's. advantage is shrinking and China knows this hence the opposition to the US placing missiles in Asia.

    China can show off its new ICBMs and HGV. The US is developing its own hypersonic capability and has had ICBMs capable of reaching China for decades. China is just playing catch up at this point.

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    Australian girls are less race conscious than American girls and are therefore more open to Chinese husbands.
    Source?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidin View Post
    So now China is ready to invade Hong Kong I guess.
    Wow! I hate to admit it, but that was brilliantly funny.

    China has the same problem it was born with 2000 years ago. There is no country on earth that has the factional differences that China has and has always had. It's the south against the north in the truest sense. Hell, there are parts of the country that don't understand the language spoken in other parts and it has always been so. The factionalism is the main reason China has rarely tried to project force outside its borders. It is internally weak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    The decline of the United States is apparent:



    But let's talk about the weapons, true America killers through and through:

    DF-41D, an America killer, it has the largest range out of all the existing ICBMs to date and can be MIRV'd, and given the numbers of existing DF-41's, i'm willing to bet that China's going to drop its minimum deterrence nuclear warheads sometime in the near future:
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 


    Carrying up to 10 nuclear warheads, it can travel from mainland China to New York within 20 minutes. Enough time for repent for your sins before Judgement Day.

    Next up, we've got the DF-17,

    https://twitter.com/divert_thruster/status/1178872944627519488?s=20

    How pissed off would you be if you spent billions on missile defence that can't even defeat a Chinese HGV?

    along with several other drones,


    The parade is still ongoing, so will update as the festivities proceed. Now we know why the US is so desperate for a new cold war with China, it's too late, China is, can and will supersede the United States and there's nothing that can be done to turn back the clock 1995.
    You realize Trump or Putin could literally press a button and it would be worse than the sack of King's Landing. Take a seat.
    Sure I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is Im not. I honestly feel that America is the best country and all other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism.

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    Been thinking about researching hypersonic weapons for awhile now, since at least 2012. Though a running joke is hypersonic weapons are and will always be the weapons of the future.

    That said, a major concern with these weapons (from what I've gathered) aren't the missiles themselves, but the enabling technologies. Missiles that can fly anywhere in the world in one hour or less don't do you much good if your ISR systems aren't up to snuff. There's also some concern about how to do damage assessment and C2 in a way that doesn't slow down the overall mission tempo. And if hypersonic missiles are confused for nuclear ICBMs... well, nobody wins there. Finally its still a niche capability. The Chinese missiles for instance seem to be designed solely for sinking aircraft carriers (part of Assassin's Mace) and other high-valued targets. So right there, if we know what the mission is, we can plan for it, which means smarter tactics and counter-measures.
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    You realize Trump or Putin could literally press a button and it would be worse than the sack of King's Landing. Take a seat.
    Guise no we need 2b afraid...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick Cheney. View Post
    Been thinking about researching hypersonic weapons for awhile now, since at least 2012. Though a running joke is hypersonic weapons are and will always be the weapons of the future.

    That said, a major concern with these weapons (from what I've gathered) aren't the missiles themselves, but the enabling technologies. Missiles that can fly anywhere in the world in one hour or less don't do you much good if you're ISR systems aren't up to snuff. There's also some concern about how to do damage assessment and C2 in a way that doesn't slow down the overall mission tempo. And if hypersonic missiles are confused for nuclear ICBMs... well, nobody wins there. Finally its still a niche capability. The Chinese missiles for instance seem to be designed solely for sinking aircraft carriers (part of Assassin's Mace) and other high-valued targets. So right there, if we know what the mission is, we can plan for it, which means smarter tactics and counter-measures.
    Well that is really the problem so you got yourself a nice shiny hype sonic weapon what do with it? It is really expensive so using other than as a something to the MAD game seems odd. If you are fighting a normal war where the end game is not 48 hours to maybe 3 weeks before you toast the planet why waste the expense?
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