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    Edit: Copied from post 9, the original content below is from the wrong terror report, from March. This one’s from 2 days ago.

    Diane Abbot hosted an event two days ago, endorsing a report titled “Leaving the War on Terror – A Progressive Alternative to Counter-Terrorism Policy” published by the transnational Institute. Two sections of it I want to discuss first then we can expand the conversation. Link to report.

    Links: https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/ope...ror-look-like/
    https://www.cage.ngo/landmark-study-...-war-on-terror

    So first of all, this report calls for the abolition of designated terrorist org lists.



    Yes, they want to stop proscribing terrorist groups. This thing wants us to repeal almost all of our post-9/11 counter terror legislation.

    Elsewhere in the ‘Leaving the War on terrorism’ report:



    Then it downplays the existence of Islamist groups. This would be our government policy. This is bonkers that Abbott would endorse such a report. It’s also praised by OpenDemocracy and CAGE, a Muslim group.

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    Diane Abbot, who is the Shadow Home Secretary for the Labour Party, has criticised UK counter-terror policies in a presentation of a report that labelled current policies as racist. Since she is the Shadow Home Secretary, this means that in a Labour government she would be in charge of our police force and our counter-terrorism policies.

    British based lobbyist group Spinwatch has seized on growing concerns over Islamophobic activity and hate speech to campaign against counter-extremism efforts designed to tackle the rise of terror.

    A meeting in the House of Commons attended by the Labour home affairs spokeswoman, Diane Abbott saw the presentation of a new report containing a series of allegations that Europe’s main initiatives designed to counter the rise of ISIS and other terror groups, were targeted exclusively against Muslims.

    The report acknowledgements attributed part of its research work to the assistance of MEND, a British-based advocacy group that has faced accusations of extremist links and works as a close ally of CAGE, where Moazzam Begg, the former Guantanamo detainee works as outreach director.

    Spinwatch is a transparency organisation that has not published a donor list since 2016 but the list of its most recent donors includes a variety of Muslim Brotherhood backers, including the Cordoba Foundation run by Anas Al-Tikriti, president of the Muslim Association of Britain.
    At the presentation researchers said that Western counter-terror policies were linked to the massacres committed by the Christchurch attacker in New Zealand who committed mass murder against friday worshippers in a Mosque, and Anders Brevik who shot dozens of socialist students in Norway in 2011.

    The bridge between the two was a concept described as the "counter-jihad movement". “Reflecting a broader shift on the far-right away from ‘old’ anti-semitism and towards islamophobia, the counter-jihad movement can be seen as a ‘new’ form of racism,” it said. “We consider how this inversion may have been facilitated by the onset of a historical ‘counter-extremism’ frameworks which tend to equate far-left and far-right.”
    It’s quite a leap to connect counter-terrorist policies to ethno-nationalist terrorists. The two attacks aren’t even counter-jihad, but against Muslims even existing in those countries with extermination of them as a valid tactic. These men also viewed a religious differentiation through a racial lens.

    The report also attacked French secularism, saying it was used by counter terror policies to target and discriminate against French Muslims.

    The report argues official French policies discriminated against Muslims. “While these projects may not be helping to prevent terrorism, we argue that they have assisted the rise of far-right,” it said. “Though we did not find counter-jihad groups in France borrowing the rhetoric of counter-extremism as much as in the UK and Germany, explicit islamophobia, targeting of mosques and the weaponisation of laďcité, the French concept of secularism, have all become thoroughly mainstream.”
    The article linked above mentions how the Tony Blair Institute named both CAGE and MEND as groups that perpetuate a ‘siege mentality’ which not only hinders counter-extremism efforts, but inhibits integration into British society.

    Diane Abbott has a history of being opposed to UK counter-terror laws, consistently voting against counter-terror acts and bills. For example, she was opposed to designating Al Quaeda as a terrorist organisation. When given a list of terrorist groups she voted against proscribing, she said she regarded some of them as dissidents not terrorist. (As if there’s some sort of difference, in my opinion).

    The gist of the report presented by Diane Abbot is that our current counter-terror policies are Islamophobic, and are therefore racist. For the scope of this thread I ask whether current policies are deliberately or arbitrarily anti-Muslim, or whether they inevitably are more active in communities more vulnerable to radicalisation, as well as whether or not Diane Abbott would be fit for the office of Home Secretary in a Labour Government. For example, Northern Irish communities, or Muslim communities. I also disagree that Islamophobia is racism, and I’ve outlined my thoughts on that here.

    Here’s the report itself, entitled “Islamophobia in Europe: How governments are enabling the far-right ‘counter-jihad’ movement” which I want to look into later. Feel free to have a look at it. http://powerbase.info/images/6/6c/Ak...eport-2019.pdf
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    It makes sense that an official from fiscally illeterate party, policy of which is clearly out of touch with reality in economic questions, would be out of touch with reality in ohter subjects as well.
    It is also kind of ironic that by saying that this policy is racist she is implying that non-white people are more likely to be terrorists.

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    God forbid that an MP challenge the policies of the government of the day. Isn't that Diane's job? There is much material out there highlighting the Muslim communities concern with Prevent. Not that I agree with her,or them, in my view the policy doesn't go far enough, for example Generation Identity should, in my view be outlawed and it's promoters locked up.

    It does not require a leap to connect Islamophobia to the mass murders from Utoya to El Paso. It's a virus which has evolved from a laughable expression of bigotry to a weapon that could radicalise susceptible people (look what happened to Basil over the years) . Those who fondly remember the time around 2006 when Simon Cashmere's strange posts will recall that attacks were made against Islam as an irresistible culture that would swamp us all, to prevent this the West should curb Islamic migration, remove rights from those settled there and support Israel the US and UK in their invasions of random countries without question. These people were odd but mockable. However that changed in 2011 when one Anders Breivik , having spent time with the fascist EDL concluded that 'criticising Islam' wont get rid of Muslims . We know the rest.

    You would think that 'phobes would have reconsidered their views, but no the following year , in France, Renaud Camus's 2012 wrote The Great Replacement,which suggested that it wasn't Muslims that were out to kill us , it was the 'elites' who imported them in order to wipe out white Christians. He essentilly married the laughable Eurabia theory with the more sinister white genocide conspiracy created by the convicted white supremacist terrorist David Lane. The American neo nazi community developed the idea further and consider all none white people and those who advocate equality as legitimate targets for murder. Hence murders of Jo Cox and latterly Mexicans at El Paso as well as Muslims , black people, Sikhs, and others in the name of a pointless cult.


    Islamophobia is coded racism, sites promoting Islamophobia always refer to third world migrants and so forth. The most common motive, tbh is to make money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    God forbid that an MP challenge the policies of the government of the day. Isn't that Diane's job? There is much material out there highlighting the Muslim communities concern with Prevent. Not that I agree with her,or them, in my view the policy doesn't go far enough, for example Generation Identity should, in my view be outlawed and it's promoters locked up.
    Opposing government policy is not the issue, it is the polify and views she is promoting that are the issue

    It does not require a leap to connect Islamophobia to the mass murders from Utoya to El Paso. It's a virus which has evolved from a laughable expression of bigotry to a weapon that could radicalise susceptible people (look what happened to Basil over the years) . Those who fondly remember the time around 2006 when Simon Cashmere's strange posts will recall that attacks were made against Islam as an irresistible culture that would swamp us all, to prevent this the West should curb Islamic migration, remove rights from those settled there and support Israel the US and UK in their invasions of random countries without question. These people were odd but mockable. However that changed in 2011 when one Anders Breivik , having spent time with the fascist EDL concluded that 'criticising Islam' wont get rid of Muslims . We know the rest.
    You.are promoting ancoubter bigotry as much as the bigotry you condemn. El Paso shooting had nothing to do with Muslims, and the Orlando shooting by a Muslim killed twice as many people. The Easter attack on Christian churches in Sri Lanka killed 3 times as many Christians as the Christ Church attack on the Mosques, and were the work of a group, not the work an individual acting alone. The 911 attack alone killed more than all the attacks of the white males combined. ISIS atrocities are supported by Muslims around the world, many from moderate Muslim communities. There is a massive exodus of non Muslims from Muslims due to Islamic intolerance which the Muslim community shows no concer over and people like you won't even acknowledge happening. The Jewish community of Egypt. Which had existed for thousands of years, has vanished and Christian communities throughout thr Mideast are endangered of.completely disappearing. Yet we get nothing but silence. The atrocities committed by Muslim are very frequently the works of groups, acting with support from other Muslims, not the work of lone individuals acting by themselves as in El Paso.

    You would think that 'phobes would have reconsidered their views, but no the following year , in France, Renaud Camus's 2012 wrote The Great Replacement,which suggested that it wasn't Muslims that were out to kill us , it was the 'elites' who imported them in order to wipe out white Christians. He essentilly married the laughable Eurabia theory with the more sinister white genocide conspiracy created by the convicted white supremacist terrorist David Lane. The American neo nazi community developed the idea further and consider all none white people and those who advocate equality as legitimate targets for murder. Hence murders of Jo Cox and latterly Mexicans at El Paso as well as Muslims , black people, Sikhs, and others in the name of a pointless cult.
    When they see Muslim terrorist attacks in Paris, New York, London, Madrid, New Dehli, Afghanistan, and ISIS atrocities in the Midwest, all carried out by groups of Muslims, not just lone individuals, exactly why should they change their mind? When they see even so called moderate Muslims advocsting Sharia law that intrinsically treats non Muslims as inferiors, when they see that never have Muslims tested non Muslims as full equals in those areaz they dominate, and when they see the actions of Muslim groups like the Taliban, and ISIS, then why should they change their mind and why shouldn't they have a phobia. It is ok to be afraid of lions and bears, because they are dangerous, and they have attacked and killed people.

    While people have talked about the tolerance of Islam, that is a myth. At best, the Muslims were no more tolerant than ths southern whites in the Jim Crow South, who allowed blacks to have their own churches and schools. But Muslims, even moderate Muslims, won't allow non Muslims to marry Muslim women, just as southern whites would not tolerate a black marrying a white woman. Because Muslims are minority in western lands, they proclaim they don't posses views of intolerance, that is just good public relations. But whether they would practice such tolerance if they were in charge is not been supported by the historical record. Muslims could've considered tolerant only in the sense that southern whites of the Jim Crow South were tolerant of blacks, after all blacks.were allowed to have their own churches and schools.


    Muslims's own record talk about large groups of Jews and Christians living in Arabia, groups that no longer exist, and how Muhammad exterminated non Muslims, so why is it any wonder they express concern about Islam? I know most Americans didn't think about Islam one way or the other until 911, where more people died than all the other terrorist attacks in the last several decades combined. And continued terrorist attaxks.lime the Fort Hood shooting, the Boston Marathon bombing, the Washington, D.C. sniper attacks, and the Orlando night club shootings have done nothing to reassure people, notnhavr terrorist acts by ISIS in Syria and Iraq.

    Islamophobia is coded racism, sites promoting Islamophobia always refer to third world migrants and so forth. The most common motive, tbh is to make money.
    It is not racism ronwant to avoid the terrorist actions of Muslims like ISIS and the Taliban from happening in their own back yard. Or.the genocide like that which occurred in Armenia by the Turks happening to their descendants. Many of the ISIS members came from moderate Muslim families, and Ben Ladin did not come from some poor down trodden Muslim family. Had it not been for Muslim immigrants, the Twin Towers would still be standing. Fear of bears and lions can be entirely rational and reasonable, since those animals.xo attack and kill people. It is rational and logic to be scared of tigers and lions, and likewise it is rational to be concerned about Islam.

    Name 5 majority Islamic countries that give full rights to non Muslims, including the right of non Muslims.to marry Muslim women. If you can't name 5, you have your answer.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Common Soldier View Post
    Opposing government policy is not the issue, it is the polify and views she is promoting that are the issue .
    Views that were identical to Michael Howard's and scores of other MPs at the time. That view was that 90 days detention without trial stomped on Britain's human rights laws. I've posted her actual speeches where she criticised Labour's policies. Show me what she said that could be so objectionable. Are you thinking what I'm thinking? It's ok to slander the black lady, but not the scores of white people who opposed Labour's laws.

    Quote Originally Posted by Common Soldier View Post
    You.are promoting ancoubter bigotry as much as the bigotry you condemn. El Paso shooting had nothing to do with Muslims, and the Orlando shooting by a Muslim killed twice as many people. The Easter attack on Christian churches in Sri Lanka killed 3 times as many Christians as the Christ Church attack on the Mosques, and were the work of a group, not the work an individual acting alone. The 911 attack alone killed more than all the attacks of the white males combined. ISIS atrocities are supported by Muslims around the world, many from moderate Muslim communities. There is a massive exodus of non Muslims from Muslims due to Islamic intolerance which the Muslim community shows no concer over and people like you won't even acknowledge happening. The Jewish community of Egypt. Which had existed for thousands of years, has vanished and Christian communities throughout thr Mideast are endangered of.completely disappearing. Yet we get nothing but silence. The atrocities committed by Muslim are very frequently the works of groups, acting with support from other Muslims, not the work of lone individuals acting by themselves as in El Paso..
    What kind of ranting nonsense is this? By your logic,if the Mayflower didn't land on Plymouth rock El Paso would not have happened, neither would the Oklahoma City bombing. Native Americans would not have been subjected to genocide. Yes...indeed. history as political comment.

    No amount of Islamphobic crap is going to detract from the point that murders related to Eurabia and white preplacement theory is terrorism. It just is.One cannot be 'bigoted' towards mass murderers, of any kind.


    Quote Originally Posted by Common Soldier View Post
    It is not racism ronwant to avoid the terrorist actions of Muslims like ISIS and the Taliban from happening in their own back yard. Or.the genocide like that which occurred in Armenia by the Turks happening to their descendants. Many of the ISIS members came from moderate Muslim families, and Ben Ladin did not come from some poor down trodden Muslim family. Had it not been for Muslim immigrants, the Twin Towers would still be standing. Fear of bears and lions can be entirely rational and reasonable, since those animals.xo attack and kill people. It is rational and logic to be scared of tigers and lions, and likewise it is rational to be concerned about Islam. .
    So you must demonise all brown people because of terrorism, but you say it is 'bigotry' to condemn a small number of white supremacist terrorists. Just as I said, Islamophobia is code for racism.





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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    Views that were identical to Michael Howard's and scores of other MPs at the time. That view was that 90 days detention without trial stomped on Britain's human rights laws. I've posted her actual speeches where she criticised Labour's policies. Show me what she said that could be so objectionable. Are you thinking what I'm thinking? It's ok to slander the black lady, but not the scores of white people who opposed Labour's laws.
    She's black? I don't see where it says the, and in the discussion, you are the only one who brought up her race. You are the one playing the race cars. However she isnrhr one who seems to be spokesperson for those ideas, and the one who would implement them if Labour took over.


    What kind of ranting nonsense is this? By your logic,if the Mayflower didn't land on Plymouth rock El Paso would not have happened, neither would the Oklahoma City bombing. Native Americans would not have been subjected to genocide. Yes...indeed. history as political comment.
    True, but then would have been no US, no moon landing, no integrated circuit and modern personal computers (translated and microship all invented in the US), most Americans soildnstill have cars and telephones and TV's. None of those would have existed without white males. The white males makenupna much larger percentage of.thr population than Muslims, yet Oklahoma bombing killed only a fraction of the people killed in 911. Just saying.

    No one is, not even Trump, is advocsting banning all Muslim imm it amigration. But even thoufhnthrnpercrntage is very small, they donrepesenr a statistically higher possibilitynof being terrorist than other groups.

    No amount of Islamphobic crap is going to detract from the point that murders related to Eurabia and white preplacement theory is terrorism. It just is.One cannot be 'bigoted' towards mass murderers, of any kind.
    Simply because the truth and reality is unpleasant doesn't make it go away. Muslims are committing terrorist acts at a much higher rate than other groups, and even if the vast majority of Muslims are not terrorist, that is no comfort to those who had loved ones dying in a Muslim attack. It is not bigoted to acknowledge the reality.

    A member of the vast majority of Muslim of peaceful Muslims can turn into a terrorist at any time. When a previously nominally Buddhist or Christian has a crisis of faith become religious, they often become a monk or nun. When the previously unreligious Muslim because relious, they often become a Jihadist and a terrorist.

    The vast majority of the so called "alt right" don't commit terrorist acts either,just when andew lone white males commit a fraction of terrorist acts, you and people of your ilk do a complete 180, and suddenly demand all kinds of actions. You are far more upset by the dozens killednbybaltnright extremist acting alone than the hundreds and thousands killed by Muslimnl extremist acting in groups.



    So you must demonise all brown people because of terrorism, but you say it is 'bigotry' to condemn a small number of white supremacist terrorists. Just as I said, Islamophobia is code for racism.
    Muslims come in all color and all races. Being concerned about Islam is not racism, coded or otherwise. No one should condemn an entire group for the actions of an individual, but the problem is a little bit more than a few individuals acting alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Common Soldier View Post
    She's black? I don't see where it says the, and in the discussion, you are the only one who brought up her race. You are the one playing the race cars. However she isnrhr one who seems to be spokesperson for those ideas, and the one who would implement them if Labour took over.
    I mentioned it early in the conversation, when I asked Aexodous why the focus on her, when 291 MPs voted against 90 day detention without charge, which was the main issue with Labour's terror laws . And she was not the main 'spokeperson' the leader of the opposition, Michael Howard clearly was. Those events took place 14 and more years ago, the 90 day detention clause was amended to 28 days. There is nothing for Abbott to 'implement' as you suggest.

    You clearly have not bothered to read a syllable of the conversation, or else you would have found that she has never opposed the current Tory terror laws. I have posted all of her speeches I could find. Your wilful ignorance is utterly inexcusable.

    As for the rest of your post....................Spouting racist/sexist and excusing terrorists isn't going to mask your ignorance of the basic facts.

    I instructed you to go and read Ms Abbott's speeches I had posted , and find out for yourself whether anything she said was objectionable, you could not even manage that. You had one job and failed spectacularly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Common Soldier View Post
    Many of the ISIS members came from moderate Muslim families, and Ben Ladin did not come from some poor down trodden Muslim family. Had it not been for Muslim immigrants, the Twin Towers would still be standing.
    The people who destroyed the twin towers were all from the Middle East, mostly Saudi Arabia and Egypr iirc. Not immigrants to the US.
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    Nope. There is nothing to suggest dramatically that his heart is giving out. His heart attack is a testament to how well he can recover from something like that.

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    The people who destroyed the twin towers were all from the Middle East, mostly Saudi Arabia and Egypr iirc. Not immigrants to the US.
    Indeed. Endless warfare and indoctrination following 9/11 seems to have obscured some people's memories.
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    It's incredible how it's always the most retarded and vile people who reliably get into these positions of power, and yet... somehow people seem to elect them.

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    Just when Corbyn seems to be getting somewhere, Diane Abbot can always be relied upon to it up. Thankfully.

    Seriously, a potential home secretary who doesn't think Al Quaida is a terrorist organisation?

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    Personally I'm just surprised the only coverage this is getting is in a random UAE news site and a conservative blog Order-Order. Like surely at lea Breitbart and the partisan minded sites would be publicising this.
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    Nope. There is nothing to suggest dramatically that his heart is giving out. His heart attack is a testament to how well he can recover from something like that.

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    Personally I'm just surprised the only coverage this is getting is in a random UAE news site and a conservative blog Order-Order. Like surely at lea Breitbart and the partisan minded sites would be publicising this.
    Conservative blog Order-Order, you mean Guido Fawkes, that explains it, Guido is sonewhat partisan, hardly a reliable source.You wouldn't know that Boris was utterly crushed last week from looking at that site.The reason why the Arab article isn't mentioned further is because it looks a bit dodgy.

    The way the article is written implies that Spinwatch is an Islamist organisation. It is damn well not. It investigates the public relations industry and corporate and government propaganda distort public debate and undermine democracy. It's work includes fracking, revolving door contracts, lack of transpancey in lobbying and other public interest issues. The Islamophobia industry is profitablde and significant. It is quite naturally that organised Islamophobia would draw the attention of Spinwatch.

    Your article mentions 'A meeting in the House of Commons attended by the Labour home affairs spokeswoman, Diane Abbott saw the presentation of a new report containing a series of allegations that Europe’s main initiatives designed to counter the rise of ISIS and other terror groups, were targeted exclusively against Muslims.'

    Spinwatch cites it's main funder for the project as the 'Open Society Foundation', George Soros is not an Islamist ( cue Jewish conspiracy theories).

    A meeting implies a gathering of more than one person. Is there a specific reason why only Diane Abbott is mentioned in your article? Who else were there?

    Here's a picture of that event. In March I might add, so much for this being a current event.

    https://twitter.com/spinwatch?lang=sv

    Can you explain who the other presenters are and why you have not singled those out? I'll give you one for free, Lloyd Russell-Moyle MP.(Lab) (the bearded chap)actually chaired the event. Any reason why a white male should not also be regarded as one of the 'most retarded and vile people',

    Spinwatch also summarised Ms Abbott's contributions thus:' Diane Abbott said the Prevent policy is not keeping people safe and counter-terrorism policies needed to be clear that no community is more liable to violence than any other. She added that bad policies cannot be fixed by simply extending their reach to additional groups.'This looks like fair comment to me, although I disagree with her.As mentioned before, I think these white genocide types need similar treatment, for their own good.

    Parliament’s hearing on Islamophobia was cross-party.

    As far as I can see Ms Abbot either did not attend the backbench committee hearing on Islamophobia or if she did, she made no contribution.I'm going to have to call out your source.

    I'm beginning to wonder therefore if the focus on just Ms Abbott is either politically partisan, or simply racist/misogynist. In your inevititable protestations, you should note the views I mentioned in my previous post.



    The presentation looks 3 years out of date I might add, 'Islamophobia' in the Anglosphere had given way to generic anti-migrant sentiment or white genocide theory a long time ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    A meeting implies a gathering of more than one person. Is there a specific reason why only Diane Abbott is mentioned in your article? Who else were there?
    Yes! She is the Shadow Home Secretary. She’s not just a random backbencher.

    Here's a picture of that event. In March I might add, so much for this being a current event.

    https://twitter.com/spinwatch?lang=sv

    Can you explain who the other presenters are and why you have not singled those out? I'll give you one for free, Lloyd Russell-Moyle MP.(Lab) (the bearded chap)actually chaired the event. Any reason why a white male should not also be regarded as one of the 'most retarded and vile people',

    Spinwatch also summarised Ms Abbott's contributions thus:' Diane Abbott said the Prevent policy is not keeping people safe and counter-terrorism policies needed to be clear that no community is more liable to violence than any other. She added that bad policies cannot be fixed by simply extending their reach to additional groups.'This looks like fair comment to me, although I disagree with her.As mentioned before, I think these white genocide types need similar treatment, for their own good.
    I know the others are Mary Mood, the conspiracy theorist David Miller, and Hillary Aked who also presented the report.

    Spinwatch thanked Lloyd and Abbot for their solidarity on Twitter. I’ve got a problem with them showing “solidarity” with this report.

    Parliament’s hearing on Islamophobia was cross-party.

    As far as I can see Ms Abbot either did not attend the backbench committee hearing on Islamophobia or if she did, she made no contribution.I'm going to have to call out your source.
    Umm what? I never said she did. What source?

    I'm beginning to wonder therefore if the focus on just Ms Abbott is either politically partisan, or simply racist/misogynist. In your inevititable protestations, you should note the views I mentioned in my previous post.

    The presentation looks 3 years out of date I might add, 'Islamophobia' in the Anglosphere had given way to generic anti-migrant sentiment or white genocide theory a long time ago.
    Maybe, I’m arguing in good faith. Maybe, I don’t want a Home Secretary with these views on counter terror tactics.

    Edit: So, I made a mistake. I originally came across news Diane Abbot hosting an event about counter-terror policies with David Miller. Later on I tried to find it and all I could fine on Google was the March event, when actually it’s this from two days ago I was looking for. So:

    Diane Abbot hosted an event two days ago, endorsing a report titled “Leaving the War on Terror – A Progressive Alternative to Counter-Terrorism Policy” published by the transnational Institute. Two sections of it I want to discuss first then we can expand the conversation. Link to report.

    Links: https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/ope...ror-look-like/
    https://www.cage.ngo/landmark-study-...-war-on-terror

    So first of all, this report calls for the abolition of designated terrorist org lists.



    Yes, they want to stop proscribing terrorist groups. This thing wants us to repeal almost all of our post-9/11 counter terror legislation.

    Elsewhere in the ‘Leaving the War on terrorism’ report:



    Then it downplays the existence of Islamist groups. This would be our government policy. This is bonkers that Abbott would endorse such a report. It’s also praised by OpenDemocracy and CAGE, a Muslim group.
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    Nope. There is nothing to suggest dramatically that his heart is giving out. His heart attack is a testament to how well he can recover from something like that.

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    Yes! She is the Shadow Home Secretary. She’s not just a random backbencher.
    Therefore she has an interest in Home Office Affairs. How is that sinister?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aexodus View Post
    I know the others are Mary Mood, the conspiracy theorist David Miller, and Hillary Aked who also presented the report..
    Good , either you knew or could have found out relatively quickly. So why did you only mention Diane Abbot? As if she doesn't suffer enough unwanted attention already with her infamous collection of hate mail and trolling.


    Quote Originally Posted by Aexodus View Post
    Spinwatch thanked Lloyd and Abbot for their solidarity on Twitter. I’ve got a problem with them showing “solidarity” with this report.
    Again you should have mentioned this in the OP rather than focus on the one black female presence.


    Quote Originally Posted by Aexodus View Post
    Umm what? I never said she did. What source?.
    You picked an old minor fringe meeting on Islamophobia, barely reported, to single out Abbot, whilst others are discussing the issue forrmally in Commons Commitee (Hansard). Why would that be?


    Quote Originally Posted by Aexodus View Post
    Maybe, I’m arguing in good faith. Maybe, I don’t want a Home Secretary with these views on counter terror tactics.

    And I want a Home Secretary who would clamp down on violence based on incitement of racial and religious hatred and defanging Prevent won't do that. Islamophobia is a serious issue, or did you not pick up that point when 51 people were butchered in Christchurch?

    I 'll take your word for it, but I know you had obscured some key details from your OP, which could have potentially misled the forum.

    One more thing, it is no coincidence that the only paper to pick this up apart from the appaling Guido Fawkes is based in the UAE. Spinwatch published a report critical of that regime and it's lobbying of Cameron against the Muslim Brotherhood and the Qatari regime.
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    UK has more serious problems right now

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    Islamophobia is a serious issue
    It can't really be a serious issue, because there is no such thing as "islamophobia", it is an oxymoron in itself.

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    It can't really be a serious issue, because there is no such thing as "islamophobia", it is an oxymoron in itself.
    I guess if I painted you brown and placed you in a certain New Zealand mosque at a specific time, say Christchurch, Friday prayers on 15 March 2019, you might have learned something.
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    @Aexodous, some amendments I see. You must have hated Mo Mowlam when she brought Sinn Fein/ IRA in from the cold and brought about the Good Friday agreement.
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    I guess if I painted you brown and placed you in a certain New Zealand mosqu
    You do realize Islam is not a race, right?

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