General Modding Question

[Domeric_Bolton]

Hey all,

I am making a submod for another Mod. I'd like to implement the "choose your administration" dichotomy to it, but I can't figure out how you made the buildings mutually exclusive. Did you use the - temple feature? How did you make it so that both the admin and the temples can exist alongside each other?

Thanks j advance

[QuintusSertorius]

Simpler than that, every factional government is its own building tree, available only to that faction (and exclusive of both Allied Government and Rebel ones). Then the Allied Governments bar all other types in the building requirements line.

[Domeric_Bolton]

Hey all,

Reposting my question here for visibility.

I would like to copy the Conquest > Oligarchy >or> Democracy system of EB 2 in another Mod.

How can I make it so that you build the initial building and then have to CHOOSE an upgrade that negates the other option?

How does EB2 do it?
Does it use the - temple feature?
How can the *Administration* chain and the *Temple* chain both exist without influencing each other?
Is there maybe a script I could copy?

Thanks in advance!

[Lusitanio]

You should look at the export_buildings text file to see how the allied government building line works.

[Domeric_Bolton]

I see... sorry, I might be a bit slow on the uptake... what do you mean by "exclusive of both Allied Governments and Rebel ones"?

[QuintusSertorius]

Merging these threads, because they're the same topic and aren't bugs.

I see... sorry, I might be a bit slow on the uptake... what do you mean by "exclusive of both Allied Governments and Rebel ones"?

There are three types of government building in EBII. Factional governments - one per faction (and exclusive to that faction only). Allied governments everyone (but the Rebels) can build. Rebels have their own governments, which are the third type. All of them are mutually exclusive, you cannot build one if another is present.

There's also a script which removes any instance of a "foreign" factional government on conquest, to stop new options being blocked for the AI conqueror (because the AI never destroys anything).

Hey all,

Reposting my question here for visibility.

I would like to copy the Conquest > Oligarchy >or> Democracy system of EB 2 in another Mod.

How can I make it so that you build the initial building and then have to CHOOSE an upgrade that negates the other option?

How does EB2 do it?
Does it use the - temple feature?
How can the *Administration* chain and the *Temple* chain both exist without influencing each other?
Is there maybe a script I could copy?

Thanks in advance!

If you want to do it that way, they'd have to be part of the same building tree, which would limit you to 1 "precursor" plus up to 8 "branches".

So you'd have your initial level, an upgrade path each (ie you fork) to the first level of Oligarchy/Democracy, and each of those can upgrade to the next level of their successor.

Note you need to move the recruitment away from the first (and possibly second tier) if you don't want the AI to build only those, if it's a universally-available building.

[Domeric_Bolton]

Right, but how (And I realise I might seem actually retarded) do I make it so that of the second tier only *ONE* can be built?

I don't know how I can make the second tier (I.e. the fork) be on the same level. Right now, one of the buildings is always automatically not the *ALSO SECOND TIER* but becomes the *THIRD TIER* .

I really don't know how to articulate this better as a non native speaker.

[QuintusSertorius]

I am confused. Being in the same building tree should make them mutually exclusive. You can only have one level of a tree at any given time.

Are you trying to restrict it to only one of that second tier building for the whole faction?

Post your code in [ CODE ] tags.

[Domeric_Bolton]

building barding_taxation
{
 levels barding_taxation noble_administration guild_administration
 {
  barding_taxation requires factions { scotland, }
  {
   capability
   {      
    recruitment_slots 1  requires factions { scotland, }        
   }
   material wooden
   construction  4
   cost  3250
   settlement_min village
   upgrades
            {
  noble_administration requires factions { scotland, }
  guild_administration requires factions { scotland, }
            }
        }
  noble_administration requires factions { scotland, }
  {
   capability
   {      
    recruit_pool "Dale Medium Billmen"  1   0.1   2  0  requires factions { scotland, }  and region_religion northmen 25 and hidden_resource grassland or hidden_resource forest
    recruit_pool "Dale Medium Billmen"  0   0.06   1  0  requires factions { scotland, }  and region_religion northmen 25 and hidden_resource desert or hidden_resource mountains    
    recruit_pool "Barding Marksmen"  1   0.1   2  0  requires factions { scotland, }  and region_religion northmen 65 and hidden_resource grassland or hidden_resource forest
    recruit_pool "Barding Marksmen"  0   0.06   1  0  requires factions { scotland, }  and region_religion northmen 65 and hidden_resource desert or hidden_resource mountains
    recruit_pool "Dale Cavalry"  1   0.1   2  0  requires factions { scotland, }  and region_religion northmen 25 and hidden_resource grassland
    recruit_pool "Dale Cavalry"  1   0.06   1  0  requires factions { scotland, }  and region_religion northmen 25 and hidden_resource forest
    recruit_pool "Dale Cavalry"  0   0.04   1  0  requires factions { scotland, }  and region_religion northmen 25 and hidden_resource desert or hidden_resource mountains    
    recruitment_slots 1  requires factions { scotland, }        
   }
   material wooden
   construction  4
   cost  3250
   settlement_min village
   upgrades
    }
    plugins
    {
    }
  guild_administration requires factions { scotland, }
  {
   capability
   {      
    recruit_pool "Dale Medium Swordsmen"  2   0.04   1  0  requires factions { scotland, }  and region_religion northmen 25 and hidden_resource grassland or hidden_resource forest
    recruit_pool "Dale Medium Swordsmen"  2   0.04   1  0  requires factions { scotland, }  and region_religion northmen 25 and hidden_resource desert or hidden_resource mountains
    
    recruit_pool "Dale Medium Pikemen"  2   0.04   1  0  requires factions { scotland, }  and region_religion northmen 65 and hidden_resource grassland or hidden_resource forest
    recruit_pool "Dale Medium Pikemen"  2   0.04   1  0  requires factions { scotland, }  and region_religion northmen 65 and hidden_resource desert or hidden_resource mountains    
    
    recruit_pool "Dalian Longbowmen"  2   0.04   2  0  requires factions { scotland, }  and region_religion northmen 25 and hidden_resource grassland or hidden_resource forest
    recruit_pool "Dalian Longbowmen"  2   0.04   1  0  requires factions { scotland, }  and region_religion northmen 25 and hidden_resource desert or hidden_resource mountains
    
    recruitment_slots 1  requires factions { scotland, }        
   }
   material wooden
   construction  4
   cost  3250
   settlement_min village
   upgrades
            {
            }
        }
    }
    plugins
    {
    }
}

I want the Barding_Taxation to be the *Base* and the Noble or Guild Options to be mutually exclusive choices.
<So you conquer a place. You can build (of the three mentioned) *only* the barding_taxation one.
Once done, you have to decide which of the two powerful factions get Control of the Region: Nobles or Merchants(Guilds)

Right now, this Code crashes the game.

[Razor]

I'm pretty sure it's impossible to do what you want. You'd have to progress through the building tree and upgrade them to get from barding_taxation to noble_administration and from noble_administration to guild_administration. What you can do is create noble_administration and guild_administration as separate buildings and use "requires factions { scotland, } and not building_present_min_level building name building level" to exclude one when the other is built.

[Domeric_Bolton]

But that is actually super helpful, so thank you, I'll try that :*

[Domeric_Bolton]

But what I want is literally in EB 2, that is why I am asking the question here.

You conquer a region, you create "Allied State" then you can *CHOOSE* between the *Mutually exclusive* Oligarchic allies state or the Democratic allied state.

I want *that* in a "reskinned" form, I just can't get it to work.

[QuintusSertorius]

What does the log say on the crash? I can't see anything wrong with your code.

Have you added a new tree to the top/bottom (depends on your mod where they are) of your export_buildings.txt?

I'm pretty sure it's impossible to do what you want. You'd have to progress through the building tree and upgrade them to get from barding_taxation to noble_administration and from noble_administration to guild_administration. What you can do is create noble_administration and guild_administration as separate buildings and use "requires factions { scotland, } and not building_present_min_level building name building level" to exclude one when the other is built.

No, forking and mutually exclusive options within the same building are featured repeatedly in EBII. It's not impossible at all.

[Razor]

What does the log say on the crash? I can't see anything wrong with your code.

Have you added a new tree to the top/bottom (depends on your mod where they are) of your export_buildings.txt?



No, forking and mutually exclusive options within the same building are featured repeatedly in EBII. It's not impossible at all.

Ah, I wasn't aware that was a possibility at all! I stand corrected then.

EDIT: I believe the trick is adding multiple buildings as upgrade of one building?

[QuintusSertorius]

Ah, I wasn't aware that was a possibility at all! I stand corrected then.

EDIT: I believe the trick is adding multiple buildings as upgrade of one building?

Yes, which we have lots of. You get false-positive "errors" reported in the logs, but they cause no problems beyond the reports themselves.

[Razor]

Thanks for the info!