Dune 2020 by Villeneuve has finished filming

[Roma_Victrix]

Apparently shooting has wrapped up for the film, which will now go into post-production according to the video below:



This one is slated to be pretty damn epic indeed. Nice. It was a worthy project for Denis Villeneuve to pursue. I generally like his films, they're great thrillers. The cast is very star studded, including Josh Brolin, Stellan Skarsgard, Dave Bautista, Javier Bardem, Oscar Isaac, Jason Momoa, Zendaya, and the young Timothee Chalamet in the lead role. Not only that, but as explained in the video, Hans Zimmer is doing the music! Hurrah to that idea!

I never got around to it, but I think now I'll finally just sit down and read the damn novels before the movie comes out. Plenty of time to do so now.

[Gaidin]

I never got around to it, but I think now I'll finally just sit down and read the damn novels before the movie comes out. Plenty of time to do so now.

Horribad idea. Wait for the movie(s). If you don't you'll start latching on to logistical and story differences they had to make. And once you do that you'll latch onto the awesome scenes they did right instead of the overall story.

[Knight of Heaven]

Yeah i have been following his channel, and the news around this movie.

Im actually hopeful for this adaptation. It does seem to be much more in line to the actual story then that 80s David lynch film. That is a plus at least.

[conon394]

A bit OT and I only ever got through Dune and kinda skimmed a bit of the second. So a question that bugged be when a I read it (30 years ago). Dune is not Earth. And Navigator based FTL travel could only exist once Dune was discovered. Ergo there must be another means of FTL that does not involve the spice. Or, The galaxy was settled by generation ships and the people arriving at Dune discover the navigation by spice. But that seems like then the navigators should own Dune... Any insight from real fans?

[Cyclops]

A bit OT and I only ever got through Dune and kinda skimmed a bit of the second. So a question that bugged be when a I read it (30 years ago). Dune is not Earth. And Navigator based FTL travel could only exist once Dune was discovered. Ergo there must be another means of FTL that does not involve the spice. Or, The galaxy was settled by generation ships and the people arriving at Dune discover the navigation by spice. But that seems like then the navigators should own Dune... Any insight from real fans?

There's a bunch of history in the chapter headers and more in the appendices whih might be relevant. IIRC there had been an AI war and computers were banned for a thousand years (?) up to the Dune period. They have Mentats instead, no not Fallout chems but human computers so perhaps supercomputers were involved in earlier space travel? There was definitely interstellar space travel as the religious summit that produced the Orange Catholic Bible was held with representatives from many systems.

[Gaidin]

They had an old method that was slower. Weeks and months. Picture the Forever War.

[Gaidin]

Mentats came after the war, ftl he’s asking about before so you’re off by a few hundred to a few thousand years on the origin. They had something before the prescience of the spacing guild it was just hilariously slow. They even had the Holtzmann drives but without the spice prescience or high level computing they had to make sure it was worth it as a bunch of the fleet would end up in a star. At least one Butlerian Jihad battle ran this gamble.

[Cyclops]

Mentats came after the war, ftl he’s asking about before so you’re off by a few hundred to a few thousand years on the origin. They had something before the prescience of the spacing guild it was just hilariously slow. They even had the Holtzmann drives but without the spice prescience or high level computing they had to make sure it was worth it as a bunch of the fleet would end up in a star. At least one Butlerian Jihad battle ran this gamble.

Thx, that's clearer. I knew the mentats were a consequence of the Butlerian Jihad, I had forgotten the Hotzmann effect/drive etc.

A quick Google reveals that Herbert's son filled in a lot more of the blanks. I tried to read the first "prequel" and found it staggeringly bad. Haven't tried the rest.

[Kyriakos]

[Gaidin]

Go away.

[Kyriakos]

Go away.

Whatever, Vladimir.

[conon394]

They even had the Holtzmann drives but without the spice prescience or high level computing they had to make sure it was worth it as a bunch of the fleet would end up in a star. At least one Butlerian Jihad battle ran this gamble.

But theoretically in the future (at Dune time) couldn't a group of Mentats take the place of the lost high level computing? I mean theoretically you got 10,000 years and nobody aimed for a quick strike to seize Dune outside of the Guild?

[Cyclops]

But theoretically in the future (at Dune time) couldn't a group of Mentats take the place of the lost high level computing?

The Mentats did replace computers, AFAIK every faction had access to them albeit very few people could become one. Paul was one such candidate ("A Mentat Duke would be formidable" says his father when he is told he has already begun training). Thufir Hawat is the Mentat Assassin, the Harkonnens have their court mentat Pitr De Vries IIRC...its been decades since I read it, can't remember if there was oine Imperial mentat...time to go back and read it again. Seems like there's a limited number of expensive rare dudes spread out across factions. maybe they respect each other's turf and refuse to merge into mega-minds? Its a bit of a plot hole.

I mean theoretically you got 10,000 years and nobody aimed for a quick strike to seize Dune outside of the Guild?

This is addressed in the novel IIRC.

The Guild has limited prescience and tries to stay out of politics. They choose time branches that keep the spice flowing (and stop anyone who might intefere), although the rest of their policies are opaque. EG They help the Sardaukur/Harkonnens invade twice (the Atreides trap and the anti-Paul crusade), lowering transport costs in he second war so every house can come and fight the Fremen. When Paul deliberately threatens the spice production ("water of death") they hold off bombardment. I guess paul lets them come so he can dramatically defeat the Emperor and his forces.

[Gaidin]

The Ixians developed machines that could do it, AFTER God-Emperor of Dune, but it was based on presciently seeing the points you were folding together, not human level calculation. Remember, the navigators became huge mutations. Also, roughly 10% of ships were lost before the advent of Guild Navigation.

Also, quick strike? The Guild wouldn’t take you and once they see you taking the long trip they just blackmail everyone into riding their military to Dune on their dime to handle you lest they don’t get space travel ever. Oh and you’re now blacklisted from FTL and Melange distribution as a consequence. After your military is destroyed by the way.

[HannibalExMachina]

Paul needs to lure in the emperor so he can take him out. The guild and the other forces in orbit are then told to gtfo, or the Spice gets it.

Cant remember a mentat for shadam, but his closest advisor Count Fenring is a failed space Jesus, an almost sucess of the breeding Program, so he might have the skills.

[Halie Satanus]

[conon394]

Halie Satanus

God really they put the stupid box bit in the movie... possibly some of the worst Sci fi ever written

"The old woman said; "You've heard of animals chewing off a leg to escape a trap? There's an animal kind of trick. A human would remain in the trap, endure the pain, feigning death that he might kill the trapper and remove a threat to his kind."

Err no that so many kinds of stupid.

A human would what magically know when the trapper is coming back. Before I suppose dying of anything from shock, bleeding out, hypothermia, starvation of dehydration? Oh wait I see the trapper put his or her schedule on the trap it looks like I need only wait a 30 minutes for my cunning ruse to work... And that assumes he or she is idiot and does not just put a bullet in my brain for good measure. or that now injured and suffering from exposure etc I can overwhelm a healthy individual , oh and of course no other predator will show up and decided I am easy meat and pretending to be dead or whatever. Honestly I got through that once and never again.

Umm if you can't remove the trap now how do you do it after the trapper shows up?

Her Human odds are so long as to be silly beyond any reality. I mean what if all you have to is get back to your patrol which is over the hill. Maybe you don't bleed out before medavac.

[Kyriakos]

I agree with Conon. I actually only have read the first chapter of Dune (with the box and the 'determine if you are human' stuff). It is strange on its own, anyway, cause surely the creature in the trap wouldn't magically escape the trap even if we assume they manage to kill the trapper. Maybe the creature must then chew off its own trapped limb and be allowed to escape with the title of human

Furthermore, the situation isn't the same. That Reverend Mother has told Paul she will kill him if he removes his hand, so basically he died if he does so. The animal just wouldn't be able to interpret the human language
We are at any rate told the pain is barely felt at first, so Paul would have time to think that it is better to keep feeling the pain, instead of being struck with a poisonous blade to the neck, ie instinct gets overruled anyway and not due to some awesome power.

[Gaidin]

Halie Satanus

God really they put the stupid box bit in the movie... possibly some of the worst Sci fi ever written

"The old woman said; "You've heard of animals chewing off a leg to escape a trap? There's an animal kind of trick. A human would remain in the trap, endure the pain, feigning death that he might kill the trapper and remove a threat to his kind."

Err no that so many kinds of stupid.

A human would what magically know when the trapper is coming back. Before I suppose dying of anything from shock, bleeding out, hypothermia, starvation of dehydration? Oh wait I see the trapper put his or her schedule on the trap it looks like I need only wait a 30 minutes for my cunning ruse to work... And that assumes he or she is idiot and does not just put a bullet in my brain for good measure. or that now injured and suffering from exposure etc I can overwhelm a healthy individual , oh and of course no other predator will show up and decided I am easy meat and pretending to be dead or whatever. Honestly I got through that once and never again.

Umm if you can't remove the trap now how do you do it after the trapper shows up?

Her Human odds are so long as to be silly beyond any reality. I mean what if all you have to is get back to your patrol which is over the hill. Maybe you don't bleed out before medavac.

You miss the point. The BG give that test to every one of their students at a certain point in their training. If they have the fine control over their body to overcome the pain and not move, they live and learn even more BG talents. If they don't, they die, and their knowledge of BG talents that they've learned dies with them. Gaius Helen Mohiam went through the test. Lady Jessica went through the test. And Lady Jessica was allowing Mohiam to put Paul through the test, and after Paul passed, she authorized further and more extensive BG training for Paul.

They don't give this test to people who don't start BG training. In other words, they don't give this test to Leto Atreides. They don't give this test to Feyd-Rautha. They don't even give this test to Count Fenring, the near-Jesus who was one gene short of being the Kwisatz Haderach, who, from what I've read in Frank Herbert's books, was never trained in BG ways by his wife.

[Surgeon]

0:40 is that JJ Abrams' famous mystery box

Looks nice. Not sure about the music choice, but seems okay.