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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyriakos View Post
    The book calls them fanatics, I don't have any issue with what the Fremen are, and am not invested in he book either so don't particularly care what the movie names them (btw, they don't really exist, Mishkin, so it's ok really).
    You’re gonna have to realize, by mishkin’s post, the plot of Dune as a series is a bit complex. Go read the 6 Herbert books. You either like them or not, but it’s at least interesting. And it’s not merely Islam. The main book for god’s sake is the “OC Bible” which is much more expanded than the current bible apparently.

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    Ok, I'll go read books I don't feel like reading cause some random told me to in a forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyriakos View Post
    Ok, I'll go read books I don't feel like reading cause some random told me to in a forum.
    You've been ranting.

    Go do research. Go form an opinion.

    Or not.

    Until you do, you're kinda sidelined for not really understanding what's going on in the story but trying to act like you do.
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    I dont think the movie audience is required to read the books. Is this movie only for the book readers? I dont have time for books, but i do enjoy a cool sci-fi movie. Anyone who read the book and thinks of themselves as superior is just funny.

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    I saw the original Dune before reading the books and I really enjoyed it.

    I don't think anyone here confuses having a broader vision or more knowledge about a very specific (and banal) topic with being superior to anyone.
    So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth. (Revelation 3:16).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyriakos View Post
    Don't worry, in the new film it is called "crusade".
    I looked at the trailer again and there are a few changes in there, so my first post was needlessly effusive. Crusade for Jihad is an obvious one.

    Its interesting to note the changes in language. There's a suicide mission in Book IIRC where a single Fremem takes control of an aircraft and crashes it (oh no). The Fedeykin are similr to Fedayeen ("sarificed") including the Palestinian terrorist/freedom fighters who relentlessly attack Israel. Herbert was a bit of an edgelord but he was seeking I think complexity and a sense of a culturally diverse universe, which I honestly think he achieved. There's lots of moments of cultural misunderstanding familiar from "Islamic encounter" books like Burton Lawrence and Doughty.

    These days these terms and Jihad/fanatic (and both terms are used in the book IIRC) resonate very differently. In the 1960's the taste was very different and Villeneuves choices will be worth making note of given the political and cultural changes since 9/11.

    In the 1980's there was a song by Rose Tattoo called I Wish.



    The lyrics are a bit confused: there's a lot of intense feelings of sadness but also a bit of war-worship, he seems to regret the hurt in Ireland and Poland but also wants to be a soldier in El Salvador (its unclear on what side though). At one point he says "I wish I was a hero, fighting for the rights of men/I wish I was a tribesman, in the hills of Afghanistan". Plays very differently these days too.

    Old mate Tolkien ran into a similar problem with LoTR. Its uses a lot of Germanic and Norse imagery, as did the Nazis. People spotted this and JRR was sort of backed into a corner and claimed in some letters (I think think quite dishonestly) by busybodies who worked it it was all rather pagan (and not a little Teutonic) "oh no its all very Christian indeed". The only thing vaguely Judeo Christian in LoTR is the dwarves (he says himself in another, slightly more honest letter they are a sort of Judaic people) who have myths about a reincarnated King Durin. In the Silmarillion (FWIW, dustbin trash that it is) they are the lesser creations of a lesser Valar, suggesting if anything YHWH was a sort of tradesmen to the Gods who went over his paygrade.

    Its very possible to enjoy Dune with these elements in mind but it remains to be seen how much Villenueve bends the story and the language to accommodate easily triggered US audiences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mishkin View Post

    I don't think anyone here confuses having a broader vision or more knowledge about a very specific (and banal) topic with being superior to anyone.
    You must be new here. :p

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vladyvid View Post
    I dont think the movie audience is required to read the books. Is this movie only for the book readers? I dont have time for books, but i do enjoy a cool sci-fi movie. Anyone who read the book and thinks of themselves as superior is just funny.
    Go read his posts again. He's posting like he knows what the book says. And then gets called on his lack of knowledge from the books. And then says he won't go read the books.

    That's different from being a movie audience.

    He's sidelining himself.
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    I am pretty sure I am not the legitimate topic of the thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    I looked at the trailer again and there are a few changes in there, so my first post was needlessly effusive. Crusade for Jihad is an obvious one.

    Its interesting to note the changes in language. There's a suicide mission in Book IIRC where a single Fremem takes control of an aircraft and crashes it (oh no). The Fedeykin are similr to Fedayeen ("sarificed") including the Palestinian terrorist/freedom fighters who relentlessly attack Israel. Herbert was a bit of an edgelord but he was seeking I think complexity and a sense of a culturally diverse universe, which I honestly think he achieved. There's lots of moments of cultural misunderstanding familiar from "Islamic encounter" books like Burton Lawrence and Doughty.
    I have watched some of his interviews, he is quite edgy, indeed. But also funny, in my view
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    Default Re: Dune 2020 by Villeneuve has finished filming

    Maybe Herbert had a great imagination but not a great brain. Maybe he imagined a tremendously attractive world for many without being exactly a genius. ### happens, gems appear "out of nowhere" too

    I'm sure it will be a great movie (or series of movies) and would be extra awesome in my opinion if Villaneuve keeps the screams (they don't appear in the books)

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    At least the Harkonnens will be a lot better in this movie than in the Lynch version. In Lynch I could barely stand Vladimir, and he was the best of the three there - although female viewers may disagree
    The 2000 tv series had a better Vladimir and a better Sting Feyd Harkonnen. Rabban also was better by default, cause in Lynch he was just comedic.



    The Rabban in the new film looks awesome.
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    Oh man, Sting was awesome, though they did nail the characters better in the 2000 series. For all the costumes were god damn ridiculous. They nailed the plotting nature of the Baron for his...sheer...ugliness.

    Lynch's story was a bunch of wtf forever, but it nailed about a half dozen scenes to the point of being iconic Dune to this day.

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    Let's think the unthinkable, let's do the undoable. Let us prepare to grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after all.

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