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    I'm curious about the regionals. Does the EBII team have any plans to add any more regionals to Hellas, India, and Iran? I was specifically wondering about Aitolian Horsemen, whom Polybius claimed became the best riders in Hellas by the time of the second Roman-Macedonian War, Messenian Indians who were described as the fiercest of the Indians Alexander III fought, and I'm just wondering where the famous Immortals went.

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    Default Re: What more would you want to add to EBII?

    The Persian Achaemenid Empire maintained elite units of "immortals" well before the EBII time frame, as explained by the Greek historian and "father of history" Herodotus. As far as I know the Hellenistic Seleucids did not use a similar type of troop at all and it is the Seleucid Empire that we play with in the game. The Seleucids recruited some native Iranian soldiers, but none of them were organized in this way from what I can tell (a unit of native Persians numbering 10,000 and trained as elite infantry in non-Greek tactics and forming an Imperial Guard). If I recall correctly, the Persian name of the "immortals" wasn't revived in Persia until the Sasanian Empire, well after the Parthian Empire had fallen to them, but it was used for a totally unrelated cavalry unit, not even infantry as described by Herodotus.

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    True, the time in which the Immortals were recorded to appear was...ancient history, by EBII's time frame. I was mostly referring to the Immortals as a famous example of Iranian armoured infantry. Besides, you can still recruit Assyrian heavy infantry, and Hayastan has the Dranik Gund. Is there really no evidence for armoured Iranian infantry in EBII's time period?

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    Default Re: What more would you want to add to EBII?

    The Kardakan seem to fill that role.

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    Granted, Kardakan do qualify as armoured line infantry. I was thinking more along the line of an elite formation, like the Dranik Gund.

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    Default Re: What more would you want to add to EBII?

    Quote Originally Posted by BailianSteel View Post
    Granted, Kardakan do qualify as armoured line infantry. I was thinking more along the line of an elite formation, like the Dranik Gund.
    There isn't anything, and why would there be? The power controlling Iran was Hellenistic, and they used Makedonian settlers for their main heavy infantry. Iranian elites served as cavalry, not infantry.

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    Default Re: What more would you want to add to EBII?

    The question about more AoR units got swept away a bit so I will ask again as well: Are there going to be more regionals ? I dont know how many unit slots are open anymore. This question is about ones not in the EDC currently, like the Volcae units etc.

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    Default Re: What more would you want to add to EBII?

    Quote Originally Posted by Marvzilla View Post
    The question about more AoR units got swept away a bit so I will ask again as well: Are there going to be more regionals ? I dont know how many unit slots are open anymore. This question is about ones not in the EDC currently, like the Volcae units etc.
    Yes, especially for the eastern steppe, but there are more to come for the Celtic, African and Italic regions, and a few more eastern and Iberian ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QuintusSertorius View Post
    There isn't anything, and why would there be? The power controlling Iran was Hellenistic, and they used Makedonian settlers for their main heavy infantry. Iranian elites served as cavalry, not infantry.
    I wouldn't know, that's why I'm asking. New stuff comes up all the time and I thought it was worth looking into.

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    Michael Taylor, citing Bar Kochba, has the silver shield phalanx as 10,000 professionals and speculates that they "may represent an administrative survival from the Achaemenid military tradition". Not exactly an Iranian unit, but then, as pointed out above, the Seleucid kingdom was not Iranian. At least, if you accept Taylor's idea, the immortals are still around in spirit!

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    Default Re: What more would you want to add to EBII?

    Quote Originally Posted by samba_liten View Post
    Michael Taylor, citing Bar Kochba, has the silver shield phalanx as 10,000 professionals and speculates that they "may represent an administrative survival from the Achaemenid military tradition". Not exactly an Iranian unit, but then, as pointed out above, the Seleucid kingdom was not Iranian. At least, if you accept Taylor's idea, the immortals are still around in spirit!
    What exactly has he cited? I've got the impression that we're so short of any credible source (the Talmud-related information was obviously produced for different reasons than conveing historical truth) that we're even not sure if there's a serious uprising or just one of many mundane rebellions that happened occassionaly in the area (see Menahem Mor, The Second Jewish Revolt, Brill, 2016)

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