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    Quote Originally Posted by Basil II the B.S View Post
    It's actually amazing how liberals are desperately trying to turn this about child pageants. Can you guys for once stick to the topic? Ever?
    It's almost like you don't care about sexual objectification of children in pageants (drag shows are a type of pageant). It seems like what you care about is taking a shot at the LGBT community.

    If you think I am derailing the thread, feel free to call in a mod. I would be surprised if I was cited for talking about child pageants in a thread about making certain child pageants illegal.
    Last edited by The spartan; July 19, 2019 at 04:33 PM.
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    Basil, when you said this:
    "Bad sexualization of kids period."
    It means sexualization of children is bad, correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Infidel144 View Post
    Basil, when you said this:
    "Bad sexualization of kids period."
    It means sexualization of children is bad, correct?
    Modern liberals can't even just admit that child abuse is, well, bad.
    Quote Originally Posted by Vanoi View Post
    This law would be struck down easily as a violation of free expression. They aren't doing anything illegal.
    Last time I checked, child abuse is illegal, dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanoi View Post
    Except its not compatible. Instead of censoring opinions you are regulating human behavior.

    If you don't want your kid exposed to sexualization don't bring them to a 9 year old wearing drag and singing.

    Just like with TV, movies, and video games. They developed a rating system for each of them so parents who did not want their children exposed to sexually explicit content wouldn't have to let their children watch those shows or movies or play those games.

    At the end of the day its not the state's job to regulate legal behavior. This law could never stand up to the 1st Amendment.
    democracy =/= libertarian utopia, thank god. its perfectly democratic to maintain decent standards, as defined by the people. child pageants -can- fall into same category as public nudity or incest. id est, things which may not physically hurt anyone but which we ban for the sole reason that we find it disgusting and disturbing. Yes, in a democracy, that is actually reason enough.

    now wheter child pageants should be banned i dont know, but it dpes strike me as being a bit wierd. anyways its up to the people.

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    Default Re: Republican lawmakers want to make child drag shows illegal.

    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post

    Last time I checked, child abuse is illegal, dude.
    Its not child abuse. The kid wears drag of his own accord after watching a show on Netflix.

    If abuse was going on the mom would have been arrested already and there wouldn't be a need to enact a new law.

    Quote Originally Posted by NosPortatArma View Post
    democracy =/= libertarian utopia, thank god. its perfectly democratic to maintain decent standards, as defined by the people. child pageants -can- fall into same category as public nudity or incest. id est, things which may not physically hurt anyone but which we ban for the sole reason that we find it disgusting and disturbing. Yes, in a democracy, that is actually reason enough.

    now wheter child pageants should be banned i dont know, but it dpes strike me as being a bit wierd. anyways its up to the people.
    Thank God my country has a Constitution that establishes my right freely express myself.

    If this violated public nudity laws or incest laws the mom would have been arrested already and as i stated to HH there wouldn't be a need for this law.
    Last edited by Vanoi; July 19, 2019 at 06:29 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanoi View Post
    Thank God my country has a Constitution that establishes my right freely express myself.

    If this violated public nudity laws or incest laws the mom would have been arrested already and as i stated to HH there wouldn't be a need for this law.
    wjat im saying is, that if a law against pageants were to be passed, it would be justified by the same logic as anti incest and nudity laws are. namely that people find it disturbing, which actually does limit how you can "express" yourself, regardless of what rights you imagine the constitutions grants you on that matter...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Infidel144 View Post
    Basil, when you said this:
    "Bad sexualization of kids period."
    It means sexualization of children is bad, correct?
    Well he is supporting a bill (and position) that only targets a small, specific (LGBT) section of child pageantry. He doesn't want to add heterosexual pageants to the list, ergo he seems ok with it. He isn't against child pageantry, he is against LGBT.

    Child pageants have been a thing for a long time in the US (that Little Miss Sunshine clip is from 2006), but now that there is drag that is completely different and dangerous?

    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    Modern liberals can't even just admit that child abuse is, well, bad.
    I'll take words that have nothing to do with thread for 500, Alex.
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    Default Re: Republican lawmakers want to make child drag shows illegal.

    Quote Originally Posted by NosPortatArma View Post
    wjat im saying is, that if a law against pageants were to be passed, it would be justified by the same logic as anti incest and nudity laws are.
    Except child pagents aren't obscene so there aren't comparable to public nudity and incest. It even mentions in the story the child was fully clothed.

    namely that people find it disturbing, which actually does limit how you can "express" yourself, regardless of what rights you imagine the constitutions grants you on that matter...
    Except just because people are offended doesn't mean what is being done is illegal or can made illegal. Sorry my country's laws have to be in accordance with the Constitution or they will be struck down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The spartan View Post
    Well he is supporting a bill (and position) that only targets a small, specific (LGBT) section of child pageantry. He doesn't want to add heterosexual pageants to the list, ergo he seems ok with it. He isn't against child pageantry, he is against LGBT.

    Child pageants have been a thing for a long time in the US (that Little Miss Sunshine clip is from 2006), but now that there is drag that is completely different and dangerous?
    Are you Basil?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Infidel144 View Post
    Are you Basil?
    Are you hypocritical?

    Ban them all or ban none.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vanoi View Post
    Except child pagents aren't obscene so there aren't comparable to public nudity and incest. It even mentions in the story the child was fully clothed.
    Kinda funny because child pageants show more than child drag pageants. I mean....that's...irony for you? You just have a problem with the clothes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidin View Post
    Are you hypocritical?

    Ban them all or ban none.
    Non sequiturs by Gaiden. Par for the course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Infidel144 View Post
    Non sequiturs by Gaiden. Par for the course.
    It's not like the courts will side with you at all. Might as well go for broke. If you just ban the people you don't like they sure as ain't gonna let it stand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanoi View Post
    Its not child abuse. The kid wears drag of his own accord after watching a show on Netflix.

    If abuse was going on the mom would have been arrested already and there wouldn't be a need to enact a new law.
    Still child abuse, even if virtue-signalling parent convinces a child that its a good thing.
    Transgender children are like vegan cats, it is quite obvious who makes the real decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidin View Post
    It's not like the courts will side with you at all. Might as well go for broke. If you just ban the people you don't like they sure as ain't gonna let it stand.
    [more non sequiturs by Gaiden]
    Uh... What?
    What exactly are the courts not going to side with me on?
    [I wonder if more non sequiturs will follow]
    Last edited by Infidel144; July 19, 2019 at 07:23 PM.

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    Default Re: Republican lawmakers want to make child drag shows illegal.

    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    Still child abuse, even if virtue-signalling parent convinces a child that its a good thing.
    Transgender children are like vegan cats, it is quite obvious who makes the real decision.
    Thats your opinion then as she is not breaking any Ohio or US law regarding child abuse. It just seems like you are offended and thus you want it banned. Guess free speech and free expression only matter to you when it comes to your bias.

    And you have evidence she convinced her child? Cause the article says otherwise.

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    Default Re: Republican lawmakers want to make child drag shows illegal.

    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    Still child abuse, even if virtue-signalling parent convinces a child that its a good thing.
    Transgender children are like vegan cats, it is quite obvious who makes the real decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanoi View Post
    Thats your opinion then as she is not breaking any Ohio or US law regarding child abuse. It just seems like you are offended and thus you want it banned. Guess free speech and free expression only matter to you when it comes to your bias.

    And you have evidence she convinced her child? Cause the article says otherwise.
    Adults can do whatever they want to themselves (actually ironically they can't consume mind-altering substances, but apparently are free to abuse children, because progress). I don't see why one would want things like child pornography or child drag shows to become an acceptable thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Infidel144 View Post
    [more non sequiturs by Gaiden]
    Uh... What?
    What exactly are the courts not going to side with me on?
    [I wonder if more non sequiturs will follow]
    Probably partisan application of law. If you support this proposed law and bring it in front of the courts, calling "whataboutism" when the judge asks you why this law only applies to drag pageants and not straight pageants isn't going to cut it.
    Last edited by The spartan; July 19, 2019 at 08:24 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The spartan View Post
    Someone's dodging questions.
    Who?

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    I was referring to your dismissal of Gaidin's points and questions by denouncing them as non-sequiturs, then I decided to make my post more pointed. Perhaps in an vain attempt to get you to not dance around.

    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    Transgender children are like vegan cats, it is quite obvious who makes the real decision.
    I just caught this little tidbit; you do know you don't have to be trans to do drag, right? In fact, I would wager that most adults who do drag are not transitional. I am pretty sure Tim Curry isn't trans, but he did great in drag.
    Last edited by The spartan; July 19, 2019 at 08:47 PM.
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