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    Quote Originally Posted by Big War Bird View Post
    I’m not sure what bill you are talking about but the one I am referring to was passed and signed by Trump.
    My bad I did not search too hard and caught only the coverage of the original house bill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by conon394 View Post
    So if you don't want to treat Israel like the 51st state you hate Jews?
    Nope. When did I say that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prodromos View Post
    Nope. When did I say that?
    Inferred by saying Jew -Hating when as far as I can her two sins are supporting a SA style boycott of Israel and suggesting that maybe politicians support cause A because they get money from a cause A supporting lobby [if there is more please link I'll be happy to consider it]. I mean at least AIPAC is honest "America's Pro Israel-Lobby", unlike some of the BS layers big oil or pharma or tobacco (more back in the day) hide under. If she also had a proposals to remove PAC money and corporate money and dark money from US politics than her comments might not stand out as shading into potential antisemitism. I suppose I'm receptive in that I think US policy in the middle east is sort on cruse control. More or less we support the House Saud for no apparent reason anymore, we are reflexively hostile to Iran w/o any perception of why they might be hostile to us, and we reflexivity support Israel. I pretty much think we are wasting our time blood and treasure and we need to deal with China and dicking around in the ME we are just throwing good blood and treasure after Bush's failed war of choice.

    Again as far as can tell she has been critical of Israel not Jews but to many people that seems to equivalent.
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    Well, how can you see racism in "send her back", but not in "money from a Jewish organization is the only reason politicians support a certain political cause", which is probably the most infamous anti-Semitic trope in modern history? There's a reason she received so much pushback on her comments, and it was mostly left-wing Jews leading the charge, so this wasn't some sort of right-wing witch hunt. Jews generally know anti-Semitism when they see it. I don't really think left-wing Jews are trying to get Republicans elected. They're generally not big fans of Israel's government, either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big War Bird View Post
    @exarch

    If America can make the damn dirty Irish into respectable white people, anything is possible.
    Not quite; the Chinese migrated to the Americas around the same time as the Irish and yet are consistently viewed as outsiders and foreigners, to say nothing of the former slave race of the Africans.

    Evidence shows that in law and in societal practice, the United States is an ethnostate for european peoples with the definitions of europeans wavering through time. At one point in time, the Italians were considered non white, but today, we get 'white latinos' who are more accepted into the general in group of 'whiteness'.

    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    Indeed. I think a better comparison is Yugoslavia, as Trump is somewhat like an American Tito. But with or without Trump, any system that is based strictly on economics is going to collapse, especially when only a small part of population gets to enjoy its true benefits. Overall, West needs an alternative to both socialism and capitalism.
    The answer from American society appears to be an identitarian movement of some sort, be it from Black Lives Matter proponents or white nationalists; Yugoslavia was a tragic case that resulted more from the end of the Cold War, CIA experimentation and historic Ottomon conversion of the population.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big War Bird View Post
    The Soviet Union is Bernie’s home. He can go stand in a bread line and tell everyone how wonderful it is.
    Let's hear Trump tell a white man to go home. As I said, he hasn't the balls, he preys on people who possess tits and/or with brown skin.


    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    The answer from American society appears to be an identitarian movement of some sort, be it from Black Lives Matter proponents or white nationalists; Yugoslavia was a tragic case that resulted more from the end of the Cold War, CIA experimentation and historic Ottomon conversion of the population.
    BLM is not an identitarian movement, it just wants cops to stop shooting innocent black people on sight,
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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    BLM is not an identitarian movement, it just wants cops to stop shooting innocent black people on sight,
    BLM may have started off as a movement against police violence but it's become an identitarian movement now, not unlike this generation's Black Panthers except whereas back in the 60s, the Black Panthers had balls and were open to effective political change and hence the means to effect said change with action and force of arms, today's BLM are a bunch of pussies, the scions of middle class black families who seek to re-create their heroes of the 60s, but who will ultimately end up working for corporate america and being another cog in that hated system of white supremacy they claim to oppose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by conon394 View Post
    Inferred by saying Jew -Hating when as far as I can her two sins are supporting a SA style boycott of Israel and suggesting that maybe politicians support cause A because they get money from a cause A supporting lobby [if there is more please link I'll be happy to consider it]. I mean at least AIPAC is honest "America's Pro Israel-Lobby", unlike some of the BS layers big oil or pharma or tobacco (more back in the day) hide under. If she also had a proposals to remove PAC money and corporate money and dark money from US politics than her comments might not stand out as shading into potential antisemitism. I suppose I'm receptive in that I think US policy in the middle east is sort on cruse control. More or less we support the House Saud for no apparent reason anymore, we are reflexively hostile to Iran w/o any perception of why they might be hostile to us, and we reflexivity support Israel. I pretty much think we are wasting our time blood and treasure and we need to deal with China and dicking around in the ME we are just throwing good blood and treasure after Bush's failed war of choice.

    Again as far as can tell she has been critical of Israel not Jews but to many people that seems to equivalent.
    It is quite obvious that the reason she opposes Israel is not because US gets nothing out of this alliance (at least for taxpayers who fund it), nor is she bothered by the fact that Israel is a huge geopolitical liability for the US. She just hates it for being a Jewish ethnostate within boundaries of what she wants to be only Muslims countries.
    I agree that US should just ditch Middle East altogether. But I don't think US should then "focus" on China. US should just focus on... US.
    Which is why it makes sense to think that what Trump said to her isn't that wrong, but he should have said to Schumer and other Ben Shapiro pro-Israel crowd to go back to Israel too. Any stance that is not "America first" is morally wrong.
    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    The answer from American society appears to be an identitarian movement of some sort, be it from Black Lives Matter proponents or white nationalists; Yugoslavia was a tragic case that resulted more from the end of the Cold War, CIA experimentation and historic Ottomon conversion of the population.
    My point about comparing Trump to Tito is that US isn't just one single nation - but rather a number of nations united by one federal government - kinda like Yugoslavia.
    Indeed, identitatiranism seems like a viable alternative to rootless neoliberalism of the American elites. There is very little common between different nations within US, that would keep them unites just for the sake of archaic federal reserve and military-industrial complex.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post

    My point about comparing Trump to Tito is that US isn't just one single nation - but rather a number of nations united by one federal government - kinda like Yugoslavia.
    Indeed, identitatiranism seems like a viable alternative to rootless neoliberalism of the American elites. There is very little common between different nations within US, that would keep them unites just for the sake of archaic federal reserve and military-industrial complex.
    It would truly be ironic for balkanisation to come to the very people who advocated balkanisation for other nation states in the first place.

    Despite the efforts of the American Elites, identitarianism is rising across the western world, and along with it, Nationalism.

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    Let's hear Trump tell a white man to go home. As I said, he hasn't the balls, he preys on people who possess tits and/or with brown skin.
    Don't sell Trump short, he's a massive prick to people of all shapes and colors.

    Not quite; the Chinese migrated to the Americas around the same time as the Irish and yet are consistently viewed as outsiders and foreigners
    One of the biggest culture shocks of my life was meeting my future wife's roommate in med school. She looked more Chinese chairman Moa, but she talked with a Southern American accent to melt a heart. She was and still is a card carrying republican. She cut her arm once, her blood came out red, white and blue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big War Bird View Post
    Don't sell Trump short, he's a massive prick to people of all shapes and colors..
    Piers Morgan considers him a friend,so I can well believe that.

    I now hear that Trump is suggesting that he doesn't have a racist bone in his body. That is correct. As a spineless invertibrate draft dodger, he has no bones.

    Edit: But there again I now hear that he praised his racist crowd,make your damned mind up Trump.

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    Who would not be offended if they generously let someome into their country, who was fleeing poverty or war, and then later found out this person now solely advocates for their own group's interests, at the expense of yours??

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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    BLM is not an identitarian movement, it just wants cops to stop shooting innocent black people on sight.
    People who dont think BLM is a racist slogan propbably dont mind if I say something like:

    BLACKS ARE ANIMALS

    without adding that of course all humans, not just blacks, are animals. See, it is of course true that blacks are animals, just as its true that black lives matter. BUT unless you add that all humans are animals, and all lives matter, it does seem like a VERY racist statement. People who defend the slogan BLM do it with the dishonest logic which also makes "blacks are animals" a decent statement by itself, which it of course isnt. People KNOW that when you emphasise black lives, you de-emphasise other lives. to claim otherwise is just dishonest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NosPortatArma View Post
    Who would not be offended if they generously let someome into their country, who was fleeing poverty or war, and then later found out this person now solely advocates for their own group's interests, at the expense of yours??
    Only one of the four women immigrated here. And Omar being an American citizen has the right to propose change she sees fit regardless of her immigrating here or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanoi View Post
    Only one of the four women immigrated here. And Omar being an American citizen has the right to propose change she sees fit regardless of her immigrating here or not.
    its not a matter of rights. its a matter of wheter she should. If she sees herself fighting for muslims, and "people of colour", or some other special minority, as opposed to simply americans in general, then of course people who see themselves as primarily american should be concered.

    Its a matter of patriotism and gratefulness, not race, i believe. They just dont like it when people come to their country and tells them they need to change and make way for the new comers. yes, 3 of them were born in usa, but they represent the same ideas. its not really about them personally, but what they represent.

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    So accepting the status quo and never criticizing anything is patriotic now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NosPortatArma View Post
    its not a matter of rights. its a matter of wheter she should. If she sees herself fighting for muslims, and "people of colour", or some other special minority, as opposed to simply americans in general, then of course people who see themselves as primarily american should be concered.

    Its a matter of patriotism and gratefulness, not race, i believe. They just dont like it when people come to their country and tells them they need to change and make way for the new comers. yes, 3 of them were born in usa, but they represent the same ideas. its not really about them personally, but what they represent.
    A true patriot loves his/her country but still sees its flaws and tries to change them. Martin Luther King Jr. loved America but that didn't stop him from critizing government and society for its rampant racist policies and behavior towards black people.

    Not trying to sat they are MLK Jr but critizing your government and society is one of the most American things you can possibly do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanoi View Post
    A true patriot loves his/her country but still sees its flaws and tries to change them. Martin Luther King Jr. loved America but that didn't stop him from critizing government and society for its rampant racist policies and behavior towards black people.

    Not trying to sat they are MLK Jr but critizing your government and society is one of the most American things you can possibly do.
    thats not the problem. problem is when eg pressley says that brown people need to speak for brown people. they are playing racial identity politics. If you see yourself as american of course you are not happy that more power is being given to people who dont see themseles as primarily american. and what omar said, something along lines of americans are ignorant.of course they grow tired of tjis, hearing how they are old, racist, ignorant, how new people will take their place, how that is a good and inevitable thing, how they should move out of the way, how this isnt their country anymore. The contemt that democrats show to a large part of america is very thinly veiled, if at all. no suprise they are mad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NosPortatArma View Post
    its not a matter of rights. its a matter of wheter she should. If she sees herself fighting for muslims, and "people of colour", or some other special minority, as opposed to simply americans in general, then of course people who see themselves as primarily american should be concered.

    Its a matter of patriotism and gratefulness, not race, i believe. They just dont like it when people come to their country and tells them they need to change and make way for the new comers. yes, 3 of them were born in usa, but they represent the same ideas. its not really about them personally, but what they represent.
    So once a Democrat government is formed one would expect Trump and Melania to be silent or face deportation? No, coz it is indeed all about race,

    Quote Originally Posted by NosPortatArma View Post
    brown people need to speak for brown people.
    Not particularly relevant. I'm sure Bannon is advocating the needs of white people and there will be others promoting Israel, farmers or guns. I'm concerned with the abuse of office that was witnessed last week and the willingness of the Republican crowd to embrace fascism.

    Quote Originally Posted by NosPortatArma View Post
    . People KNOW that when you emphasise black lives, you de-emphasise other lives. to claim otherwise is just dishonest.
    How does asking for justice for people killed under dubious or unlawful circumstances for no reason affect the lives of others? How delicate are American white people?
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