'CAPTAIN MARVEL' STAR LASHANA LYNCH SET TO INHERIT '007' FROM DANIEL CRAIG

[mongrel]

Guess there's no accounting for taste during the cocaine fueled 80s..

Or regarding your obsessive phobia of black imagery, the crystal meth fortiies

False. The UK government under the south asian mayor of London, Sadiq Khan has moved to ban scantily clad women on advertisements because his bosses hate being reminded that they're fat whales of women.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...ndon-transport

Clearly, the UK government is able to influence advertisements hence the overwhelming blacking of british advertisements.
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He is a local official, not the whole UK government. A child can tell you that. He is in charge of London Underground which has rules on taste and decency. Rules similar to that of TWC.Is the UK government running TWC now? He doesn't personally ban adverts, his staff are free to choose clients as they see fit under the guidance of a steering group. You have not provided any evidence of 'the overwhelming blacking of british advertisements.' Indeed I have provided proof that you lied about that in respect of the streets around Piccadilly. The whole forum can examine the google strret map I have provided. They are not the brainwashed zombies you think they might be. Are you still committed to this nonsense? Because if you are I won't be long before I embarrass you with photographic evidence.

FWhat makes someone British?

Casting a black female as 007 is as offensive as casting Ryan Reynolds or that guy from Drive, as Martin Luther King Jr.

ARS GRATIA ARTIS as MGM would say. You are spending a lot of time talking out of your ars.

[Lifthrasir]

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[NorthernXY]

Casting a black female as 007 is as offensive as casting Ryan Reynolds or that guy from Drive, as Martin Luther King Jr.

Hyperbole?

I'd say it's more akin to casting Shaft as a white guy. The fact that PoC (a racist term to me) never means Latin American, East Asian, Indian, or Middle Eastern tells me all I need to know about this movement.

[Love Mountain]

Im saying James Bond is Male. Im saying the stereotypical British is white. And James Bond always had stereotypical British elements has a character. Do you deny this?

Personally I do think it is a reasonable reasoning.

And im saying it is ok to change it. But you incur on the risk of producing a character that's totally different then 007 James Bond. To the point , it isn't 007 James Bond. So call it as such, is obviously Dumb.
And Lame as creativity goes.

Daniel Craig was blond. And yes, people had a huge problem with it before Casino Royale came out. I don't think we should limit ourselves.

Having said that, I do think that it should be a male. However, I can definitely see a female 007 work. While some of 007's primary themes are him being male, it would be interesting to see how those themes would have to be adapted for a female character. I'd also love to see an Indian 007, or a Black 007. I think Idris Elba would do a phenomenal job. Maybe Dave Patel could also do a terrific job 5-10 years from now on and with 45 extra pounds of muscle.

[NorthernXY]

Daniel Craig was blond. And yes, people had a huge problem with it before Casino Royale came out. I don't think we should limit ourselves.

Having said that, I do think that it should be a male. However, I can definitely see a female 007 work. While some of 007's primary themes are him being male, it would be interesting to see how those themes would have to be adapted for a female character. I'd also love to see an Indian 007, or a Black 007. I think Idris Elba would do a phenomenal job. Maybe Dave Patel could also do a terrific job 5-10 years from now on and with 45 extra pounds of muscle.

Totally. In addition to being female, Bond should be a prepubescent girl, we shouldn't limit ourselves.

[mongrel]

Hyperbole?

I'd say it's more akin to casting Shaft as a white guy. The fact that PoC (a racist term to me) never means Latin American, East Asian, Indian, or Middle Eastern tells me all I need to know about this movement.

What part of the lady not being Bond passed you by?

[Love Mountain]

Imagine being offended because a film is being made that you don’t have to like or watch.

[the Black Prince]

I think this is a pretty clever way of doing this.

James Bond is a white character, having a black James Bond like Idris Elba doesn't make much sense. Also doesn't massively fit with the characters canonical background either.

But 007 is a codename. We know 00s have died and are presumably replaced. There must have been a 007 before Bond, just as there have been different Ms as successors in the job.

The premise that we know of atm seems to be that Bond has retired and there's a new 007. Who happens to be a black woman. Which for SIS in today's world isn't massively strange. And that retirement also happens to fit with Craig's increasing age. Given the slow pace of the film's production compared to the Moore era, I did wonder how he was going to convincingly play a gritty fighter. Maybe he won't.

The open question is whether this puts James Bond to bed but the franchise continues with the new 007, or whether it will be rebooted again with (hopefully) either Richard Madden or Jack Lowden as Bond

[Daruwind]

Actually what I heard suggest that Craig really start in retirement but the new 007 (black woman) will seek his help or even die shortly after start of film thus forcing Craig to get back to work..

[conon394]

Never much of a Bond fan and can't see how the series survived the Roger Moore years (but I now they have some avid defenders). Can really see the outrage. So far as I can tell Bond as 00' what ever is just a troubles shooter as in we found trouble you shoot it. He's not an actual spy or analyst who figures out the trouble he is just parachuted in at last minute as a disposable and presumably deniable assassin. So presumably anyone can have the designation. In they are often near comic books or practically self parody. Let bons be a black women and go watch the The spy who came in from the cold.

[Cookiegod]

Never much of a Bond fan and can't see how the series survived the Roger Moore years (but I now they have some avid defenders).

Indeed. The old ones at least had style going for them.

I wish them the best of luck with killing the franchise. Maybe that's when they'll wake up and finally make a new franchise that's actually got something to do with minority, instead of reskinning characters Buffalo Bill style.

Btw... It's not just the hero that has a white male privilege going for him. Yet that's obviously where people draw the line. I mean... We can't have a main villain who isn't white male. That'd be racist and sexist. Prime example would be Idris Elba who also made a career out of diversity casting in the "Luther" series.
So much diversity, yet the evil monsters he fights are always white males.

[Aexodus]

Making a spy film about a new black female spy would be better than Jacomina Bond, license to kill. Because Bond Fans get to keep their character who was written by Ian Fleming, and you have a black female spy character who isn’t piggy backing off the success of the James Bond franchise.

[Common Soldier]

Imagine being offended because a film is being made that you don’t have to like or watch.

The exact same could be said of films that some people find racislly offensive or so ay promotes racial stereotypes. You don't have to watch Disney's Song of the South, but thanks to objection to what they assert as stereotypes, that movie is seldom shown any moe. Are you willing to day thr say thing about movidx you dont limr becausre you frdlnthey promote stereotypex you dont agree with? If there were a movie made by some fundamental is Christians that protrsyed homosexuality as wrong, would you say the same thing.

Would you be ok if in the future someone came out with a remake of Hardy Potter and change Hermione Granger to a boy to make some conservative Muslims happy? Or Nancy Drew to Ned Drew?

[Common Soldier]

Never much of a Bond fan and can't see how the series survived the Roger Moore years (but I now they have some avid defenders). Can really see the outrage. So far as I can tell Bond as 00' what ever is just a troubles shooter as in we found trouble you shoot it. He's not an actual spy or analyst who figures out the trouble he is just parachuted in at last minute as a disposable and presumably deniable assassin. So presumably anyone can have the designation. In they are often near comic books or practically self parody. Let bons be a black women and go watch the The spy who came in from the cold.

It is the deliberate pandering to the feminist and the going out of their way to be insulting to the traditional make fan. It would be the same if someone remade Murder She wrote, but made the main character male instead, and had Jim Fletcher. Or Changed Miss Marple to Mr. Marple instead to appeal to a conservative Muslim audience who don't like the idea of a woman going around solving myzteries.

This political correctness is not an isolated event but a broad trend. They made Dr.Who a woman, and while it was OK they made the new Star Wars hero a woman, they made Rey superior to all the previous make characters by making her able to use the force without any training , able to beat the male characters in light saber fighting with no training it all, and made all the male characters inferior to all the female characters. The Resistance leadership is all female, and the only males are incompetent or irresponsible, compare to the wise womsn who lead the Resistance fleet (to complete destruction except for one ship). And there is a contest complaint about "white washing", yet there is no complaint about 'black washing' that seems a constant theme. And while a woman is shown as the leader of the Avengers among the survivors in Avenger End Game, white males are show as either drunken bumbs like Thor or pyscho killers like Hawkeye. If any of the mIn female characters had been portrayed the same say, there would be a storm.of protest, but it was ok to show the male characters like that. And changing the male god of Thor to a woman despite Thor in history was always a male good in the comics is just typical of the pandering tItnwouldno femminism f
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It would not be so.much of an issue if it were a two way thing, where some iconic female characters were changed to make, but it is only one way, to change iconic male characters to female but never the reverse, like changing Captaij Marvel back to man (he was original way back) but that is not going to happen.

[mongrel]

It is the deliberate pandering to the feminist and the going out of their way to be insulting to the traditional make fan. It would be the same if someone remade Murder She wrote, but made the main character male instead, and had Jim Fletcher. Or Changed Miss Marple to Mr. Marple instead to appeal to a conservative Muslim audience who don't like the idea of a woman going around solving myzteries.

This political correctness is not an isolated event but a broad trend. They made Dr.Who a woman, and while it was OK they made the new Star Wars hero a woman, they made Rey superior to all the previous make characters by making her able to use the force without any training , able to beat the male characters in light saber fighting with no training it all, and made all the male characters inferior to all the female characters. The Resistance leadership is all female, and the only males are incompetent or irresponsible, compare to the wise womsn who lead the Resistance fleet (to complete destruction except for one ship). And there is a contest complaint about "white washing", yet there is no complaint about 'black washing' that seems a constant theme. And while a woman is shown as the leader of the Avengers among the survivors in Avenger End Game, white males are show as either drunken bumbs like Thor or pyscho killers like Hawkeye. If any of the mIn female characters had been portrayed the same say, there would be a storm.of protest, but it was ok to show the male characters like that. And changing the male god of Thor to a woman despite Thor in history was always a male good in the comics is just typical of the pandering tItnwouldno femminism f
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It would not be so.much of an issue if it were a two way thing, where some iconic female characters were changed to make, but it is only one way, to change iconic male characters to female but never the reverse, like changing Captaij Marvel back to man (he was original way back) but that is not going to happen.

Wuss, threatened by a celluloid piece of skirt. Why can't a film depict a female spy? At one point recently the UK security services were led by a woman. I must also point out that Bond is not replaced.

Making a spy film about a new black female spy would be better than Jacomina Bond, license to kill. Because Bond Fans get to keep their character who was written by Ian Fleming, and you have a black female spy character who isn’t piggy backing off the success of the James Bond franchise.

What part of Bond not being feminised (Craig is Bond in the film) passed you by?

[Aexodus]

James Bond is 007. Remove James Bond and it’s no longer anything to with James Bond. Just piggybacking off the franchises success. Really it would just be a dumb unnecessary spinoff.

[mongrel]

Bollocks . It's the same plot device as used in the first Star Trek movie, an older more experienced person takes over former role from the incumbent.

[barongan]

Indeed, very interesting thread

[Cookiegod]

So why was it again people feel it to be necessary to piggyback established series?
Deep down you must believe it to be impossible for them to be successful, otherwise it'd clearly be better to make something new, right?

[saxdude]

Deep down you must believe it to be impossible for them to be successful, otherwise it'd clearly be better to make something new, right?

He said, smugly, as though the realities of Hollywood and the increasing difficulty of releasing original properties (let alone properties that don't pander to the same old audiences) wasn't apparent to anyone whos optic nerves were still connected to their brains.

Why don't they release new properties? Well consider asking the corporate studios that release the product and not the tens of thousands of people that do want to see something new.