Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking, assets seized

[Cyclops]

Are Trump and Clinton's people pushing the Prince Andrew line to obscure the Slippery One and the Orange One's taste for Epstein's wares? The royal Family has some public relations currency of their own, if Prince Andrew goes down for this I'd expect shots to be fired back.

[Kyriakos]

So, this royal stayed pals with Epstein even after the victim of suicide was charged.
Why are they all so polite to this pos?


Furthermore, he must be some idiot...:


BBC reporter: "Why did you go to stay in New York at Epstein's, after he was convicted and served time for sex crime"?
Prince Andrew: "I always wondered that... I went to see him to tell him that we should not be seen together anymore"


reporter: "But you stayed in his house for several days..."
Prince: "It was a convenient place to stay"





You can't make such things up. Just lock this pos in jail

[Aexodus]

It’s pretty unbelievable anyone is taking Andrew seriously. The guy spent 3-4 nights at Epsteins house. In order to - in his words - ‘have a thorough conversation’. Screw him. And he has the nerve to say it doesn’t reflect badly on the Family, but he’s the one this has been difficult for.

[B. W.]

'And Epstein didn't commit suicide."

[Coughdrop addict]

Guards Accused of Napping and Shopping Online the Night Epstein Died

The night that Jeffrey Epstein hanged himself in a Manhattan jail, one of the guards on duty was catching up on sports news and looking at motorcycle sales on a government computer. The other spent time shopping online for furniture. For about two hours, they appeared to be asleep at a desk just 15 feet away from Mr. Epstein’s cell.

Those details were revealed in an indictment unsealed on Tuesday against the two jail employees. The indictment said neither guard made the required rounds every 30 minutes to check on inmates. Yet they filed paperwork claiming they had.
The entire night, from 10:30 p.m. to 6:30 a.m., security cameras showed that nobody entered the wing where Mr. Epstein had been left alone in his cell, the indictment said. The guards, Tova Noel and Michael Thomas, only discovered Mr. Epstein was dead when they went in to give him breakfast.
“I messed up,” Mr. Thomas reportedly told a supervisor just minutes later, according to the indictment.

As much as some people wish it were so, it's looking like it wasn't some all-powerful world-controlling pedo cabal behind Epstein's death. Just laziness, incompetence, and a man who knew he was going to spend the rest of his life in prison.

[Kyriakos]

^You know, Epstein would have been priority #1 in that prison. He was the most important person detained there. It doesn't seem realistic that people just didn't care if he wasn't supervised, that cameras just didn't work, that guards were lazy/stupid etc. Doesn't cut it when Epstein would be giving testimony against so many powerful people both democrat and republican (ffs, it isn't even just Trump and Clinton). And haven't some experts already noted that his injuries are not consistent with suicide?
Getting hold of a non-paper sheet is also unaccounted for.

[Common Soldier]

Guards Accused of Napping and Shopping Online the Night Epstein Died



As much as some people wish it were so, it's looking like it wasn't some all-powerful world-controlling pedo cabal behind Epstein's death. Just laziness, incompetence, and a man who knew he was going to spend the rest of his life in prison.

What are the guards going to admit, that they were bribed to pretend to be asleep or not pay attention?

Epstein was a long way from being convicted, he was only accused. There was plenty of time to commit suicide afternhe was convicted, which wasn't a sure thing, it never is with someone with Epstein's influence and connections.

[Coughdrop addict]

The cameras also show no one going in or out according to the article. And no, wealthy and influential people do get caught and do go to prison, and in fact are much less likely to get away with anything these days than in the past. Bill Cosby was once rich, beloved, and untouchable, but look at him now. And while you're right, the rational thing to do would have been to gamble on a trial and then commit suicide if that didn't work out, people act irrationally all the time even when they don't have something like life in prison hanging over their heads.

If there was even the slightest hint that Clinton or one of his "enemies" was involved, Trump would have Barr going in front of the cameras daily to announce he was investigating them.

[Cyclops]

What are the guards going to admit, that they were bribed to pretend to be asleep or not pay attention?

Epstein was a long way from being convicted, he was only accused. There was plwnrynof time to commit suicide afternhe was convicted, which wasn't a sure thing, it never is with someone with Epstein's influence and connections.

Epstein had already gone down on the charges once, and had a very sweet deal the first time. It is unlikely he would escape so lightly a second time. His head was in the noose and he was gone for all money.

He probably got that sweet deal by calling in favours from clients like Trump and Clinton. This time they abandoned him, so maybe he was contemplating paying them all back for their lack of support? Whatever his plans or state of mind he was an embarrassment to his clients who include past and current presidents.

The cameras also show no one going in or out according to the article. And no, wealthy and influential people do get caught and do go to prison, and in fact are much less likely to get away with anything these days than in the past. Bill Cosby was once rich, beloved, and untouchable, but look at him now. And while you're right, the rational thing to do would have been to gamble on a trail and then commit suicide if that didn't work out, people act irrationally all the time even when they don't have something like life in prison hanging over their heads.

If there was even the slightest hint that Clinton or one of his "enemies" was involved, Trump would have Barr going in front of the cameras daily to announce he was investigating them.

There are some issues the US ruling class is united on. Both Clinton and Trump went to this scumbags parties and it could have been either of them (or many others) who cut him the sweet deal last time around.

Many prison killings are conducted by other prisoners. The killer may have been already in the wing with Epstein, or entered by some other route. The fact the cameras were out proves nothing either way, its just strongly suggestive of an assassination.

[Common Soldier]

Epstein had already gone down on the charges once, and had a very sweet deal the first time. It is unlikely he would escape so lightly a second time. His head was in the noose and he was gone for all money.

He probably got that sweet deal by calling in favours from clients like Trump and Clinton. This time they abandoned him, so maybe he was contemplating paying them all back for their lack of support? Whatever his plans or state of mind he was an embarrassment to his clients who include past and current presidents.

Sometimes, a sweet deal is given because the prosecutor has doubts about getting a conviction against a top notch lawyer, that Epstein certainly had, and stressing young victims might have been something they wanted to avoid. Although that is not what the prosecutor is now saying, he was "pressured" to go easy, it is a lot easier than to admit he chickened out and took the easy conviction over potentially loosing a high profile case. And an innocent person might plead guilty to get a sweet heart deal rather than take a chance and risk a much more serious charge and serve a much stiffer penalty. Innocent people go to jail all the time, and charges like this often have financial motives. Yes, there were a lot of allegations, but allegations like this often have a tendency to fall apart when in court.

(The FBI refused to charge the agent who shot and killed the hostage they were supposed to be rescuing.https://www.usnews.com/news/us/artic...-kidnap-victim How a man who's risk were bound could grab the agents rifle as claimed is beyond me. The point is, you can't always trust what the FBI claims, as Wacko should have told us.

It is possible that if Epstein thought he was going to get convicted, he took the easy way out to spare his family an embarrassing trial. With no actual conviction, won't the government have to give back Epstein's assets to the family?

There are some issues the US ruling class is united on. Both Clinton and Trump went to this scumbags parties and it could have been either of them (or many others) who cut him the sweet deal last time around.

Many prison killings are conducted by other prisoners. The killer may have been already in the wing with Epstein, or entered by some other route. The fact the cameras were out proves nothing either way, its just strongly suggestive of an assassination.

While Epstein's death was convenient, most of the influential victims could have shrugged off any allegations Epstein made.

[Heathen Hammer]

If those allegations were easy to be shrugged off, I doubt Epstein would have "killed himself" in prison, while simultaneously breaking an Olympic record in gymnastics.
If they killed him off, it can only mean that he had something more substantial then allegations - photo/video evidence, correspondence logs, etc.
Also apparently prince Andrew said that he will talk to FBI in regards to Epstein.
I'm curious to see how this will play out. One thing for sure, it is quite clear that public isn't going to let Epstein's story become memory-holed.

[irontaino]

Give it a couple of weeks

[Ferdiad]

Nothing will come of it, there's too many powerful people with vested interests that want this buried. It was all dying down before Andrew decided to hang himself on air in that interview.

[Gaidin]

Guards Accused of Napping and Shopping Online the Night Epstein Died



As much as some people wish it were so, it's looking like it wasn't some all-powerful world-controlling pedo cabal behind Epstein's death. Just laziness, incompetence, and a man who knew he was going to spend the rest of his life in prison.

Don't forget over-scheduling. Which is what might actually get these guards off.

[Common Soldier]

If those allegations were easy to be shrugged off, I doubt Epstein would have "killed himself" in prison, while simultaneously breaking an Olympic record in gymnastics.
If they killed him off, it can only mean that he had something more substantial then allegations - photo/video evidence, correspondence logs, etc.
Also apparently prince Andrew said that he will talk to FBI in regards to Epstein.
I'm curious to see how this will play out. One thing for sure, it is quite clear that public isn't going to let Epstein's story become memory-holed.

If Epstein had claimed these influential knew about his activity, they would claim they didn't and say the reason Epstein is making these claims is because they wouldn't help.Epatein and all.the alleys ions were made up. They would say that what le they might have heard of his convictions, they personally didn't see any sign of that behaviour for themselves.

Unless Epstein had proof hidden somewhere that the FBI didn't find, I think people like Prince Andrew would have eventually been able to shrug off the charge due to lack of evidence, even if their popularity took a big hit. Bill Clinton is no longer running for office, and his wife's carreer probably has peaked and is over (losers in one Presidential bid typically don't get a second shot, and she is no longer that young anyways). Trump supporters are not going to believe the allegatiojs unless there is solid proof, and the people who don't like Trump.are already trying to impeach him, not my h more they can do without actual evidence.

Yes, a lot of people avoided a lot of unpleasant publicity, and did gain by his death, but it is still a really risky thing to bump off someone like Epstein. What if one the guards talked? Presumably the guards were in on it, and if one of them gets into trouble down the road, perhaps they will offer their testimony in return for a better deal. There is no statue of limitations on murder, and 20, 30 years down the road you could still be charged. Yes, it is suspicious, but perhaps Epstein arranged it that way to thumb his nose one last time at all his supposed friends who were not there for him when he needed them, to create exactly the kind of controversy we now see. Perhaps it was Epstein himself who bribed the guards, if he really wanted to kill himself.

Does anyone know what happens to his assets that were siezed, does his family now get them back?

[Kyriakos]

^If the guards were in on it, their life span won't be very long either. Epstein didn't just get a good deal the first time around; it was a massive scandal which ultimately cost Acosta his fall (recall that Trump praised Acosta to the end).
As for prince Andrew, he seems very guilty and should testify to the FBI; he isn't charged yet, but that doesn't change the fact he is openly accused (now by two victims) for being part of the paedo/trafficking ring.

[Common Soldier]

Don't forget over-scheduling. Which is what might actually get these guards off.

They are guilty no matter what of lying on official records and at best should be fired. From the sound of it, what they did may be a common occurence which needs to be addressed.

One way to prevent this is to go back to the old fashion time clocks that watchmen used to carry, the ones ones you see in movies. They had a circular paper disk that you had to insert different keys into that received Fred when you didn't, forcing you to actually visit the places the keys were hanging and recording when you were there. Those clocks helped ensure a watchman actually made his rounds.

And if they doctored the written logs, couldn't someone have also doctored any visual records as well? I doubt the FBI or anybody else is going to examine thr records closely.

Also, why couldn't the guards have done the killing themselves? I don't see the reasons they were ruled out. Can every minute of their time be accounted for? The guards or someone close to them could have been paid to do it, or perhaps even blackmailed (perhaps the guards were slipping drugs and other things to.thr prisoners and someone found out and used that against them.)

If I were the government and actually cared about justice, I would still keep an eye on the guards and monitor if they or anymore their friends or relatives suddenly receive a windfall... Also, if one of the guards died in the next few years, I would find it very suspicious, not matter what the cause was listed as.

If there was a conspiracy, the guards will be the weak point. I doubt any murder could have been done without their help, so they would be clearly be the weak point. Even if video records were doctored, I doubt the records could have been doctored without the guards' help. It might need only have one guard invovlement, him telling that his partner he is going out for a smoke or to thr bathroom, while he lets in the killer or does the killing himself. Even if his partner suspected and reported that he was gone a long time on his bathroom break, he could just claim he was shooting up heroin at the time, they are already likely going to be fire anyways and better say you were using drugs than invovled in the killing.

[Gaidin]

They are guilty no matter what of lying on official records and at best should be fired. From the sound of it, what they did may be a common occurence which needs to be addressed.

Fired and guilty of a crime are two wildly different things when the Bureau of Prisons can't/won't hire more personnel.

But then. Them's the juries.

[Coughdrop addict]

All of the world-controlling pedo cabal theories fall apart using simple logic:

-Why did the wcpc let Epstein live for so long if he supposedly had dirt on them? Why not kill him when he was still a relatively obscure figure, like after his first charges? Would it really be that hard to find a new guy to do what he allegedly was doing for them?

-Why did the wcpc allow Epstein to be arrested? Why not have him taken out beforehand, or on a plane to a non-extradition country?

-Why did the wcpc let Epstein sit in a cell for so long, blabbing who knows what to anyone who would listen?

-Why do something like fake a suicide? There are drugs that would have given him what would appear upon inspection to be a heart attack. You'd think a cabal that allegedly routinely kills anyone who "knows to much" would want as little attention drawn to the act as possible.

[Heathen Hammer]

Why did the wcpc let Epstein live for so long if he supposedly had dirt on them?

Dead mans switch. Or possibility of such.

Why did the wcpc allow Epstein to be arrested? Why not have him taken out beforehand, or on a plane to a non-extradition country?

Same as above.

Why did the wcpc let Epstein sit in a cell for so long, blabbing who knows what to anyone who would listen?

Um, you do realize he was on suicide watch, right? Not exactly a position to make public statements from.

Why do something like fake a suicide? There are drugs that would have given him what would appear upon inspection to be a heart attack. You'd think a cabal that allegedly routinely kills anyone who "knows to much" would want as little attention drawn to the act as possible.

It is detectable and breaking his neck seemed easier at the time. I guess pedos just underestimated public focus. With Internet and social media, stories like that are more difficult to memory-hole.
So as we can see the reality of presence of rich and powerful pedophiles within Western globalist elites is not "falling apart".