Portland: Journalist injured during riot between Antifa and Proud Boys.

[athanaric]

Antifa = masked white guys beating up brown people, Jews, and gays. Sounds like a familiar pattern, but I can't remember why...

You're saying he's not a Proud Boy? You know, the provocative dicks who go around looking to get punched as part of their weird alt-right rituals?

Cool, his wiki page seemed to say it a few hours ago. Looks like there's been some rapid editing.

Last time I checked, the "Proud Boys" were conservative, not alt-right. Unless the latter term now includes any vaguely patriotic people of all races.

[Katsumoto]

It goes without saying that this assault should be condemned but pretending like this is anything but a minor crime perpetrated by a bunch of thugs who are hardly representative of the wider liberal population is pretty cringeworthy. I suppose some conseratives, much like their left wing counterparts, enjoy feeling outraged and victimised and I guess this is just the latest incident to facilitate it, because on the face of it, this really isn't a big deal, even if Ted Cruz is calling for the impeachment of the city's Democrats.

[Basil II the B.S]

Uh yeah.
Let's make a comparison: do you ever see Fox News defending right wing terrorists? Ever? Or Breitbart? Infowars? You have to go as far as the Daily Stormer to find something along those lines.

On the left? You have to go as far as... the Huffington Post and Haaretz to find Antifa apology. So, what is a behaviour welcomed by a tiny fringe on the right is welcomed by large swathes of the mainstream media on the left.

[athanaric]

It goes without saying that this assault should be condemned but pretending like this is anything but a minor crime perpetrated by a bunch of thugs who are hardly representative of the wider liberal population is pretty cringeworthy. I suppose some conseratives, much like their left wing counterparts, enjoy feeling outraged and victimised and I guess this is just the latest incident to facilitate it, because on the face of it, this really isn't a big deal, even if Ted Cruz is calling for the impeachment of the city's Democrats.

These thugs are not at all representative of true liberals, because they are authoritarian communists. However, part of the problem is that they are being defended by a significant portion of society on both sides of the Atlantic (Antifa is originally a European terrorist organization, and they're very common here), partly because clueless people catch onto the name and think "well if they're against fascism, I guess they're not all that bad".
Of course, the reality is that they are almost exclusively upper and middle class individuals (and ironically almost always white and male) who are too dumb to find an interesting hobby and too lazy to find a real job, and are looking for excuses to live out their violent urges. Other people have proven many times that it's perfectly possible to peacefully demonstrate against Neo-Nazis or white supremacists, but Antifa just causes problems. If they were really interested in fighting fascism or National Socialism, they'd be cooperating with the authorities instead of attacking cops at every opportunity, binding limited resources that could otherwise be used to go after fascist activities.

[Katsumoto]

Uh yeah.
Let's make a comparison: do you ever see Fox News defending right wing terrorists? Ever? Or Breitbart? Infowars?

Uh, yes?

A Fox News reporter on Thursday called out two of his colleagues for sounding “like a White Supremacist chat room” when they attempted to defend President Trump’s infamous “both sides” comment about white supremacists in Charlottesville, according to internal emails reviewed by The Daily Beast.

Shortly after former Vice President Joe Biden launched his 2020 presidential campaign with a video bashing Trump’s comments that there were “good people on both sides” at the deadly 2017 Unite the Right rally, general assignment reporter Doug McKelway sprang into action to defend the president.

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In the aftermath of the deadly Charlottesville rally, several prominent Fox News hosts like Smith did admonish Trump for his “both sides” comment, but plenty of others publicly defended him. Most notably: The Five co-host and Trump booster Jesse Watters said the president was just trying to get “all the facts,” while host and unofficial Trump adviser Sean Hannity asked why the media was not focusing on the “alt-left.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-ne...ist-chat-room/

However, part of the problem is that they are being defended by a significant portion of society on both sides of the Atlantic

Are they though? My impression is that most people don't even know what Antifa is and even if they do I don't think most people would support their violent activities. I think Antifa is more of a convenient bogeyman to be honest and if anything conservative media constantly harping on about Antifa has only made the organisation more visible/popular.

[Vanoi]

Journalist got caught in the middle of competeing protests by Antifia groups and the Proud Boys and other alt-right groups. I'd avoid trying to cover protests like this. They tend to get violent.

[Infidel144]

Uh, yes?



https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-ne...ist-chat-room/

Would that be the same "both sides" news conference where Trump said:
"...and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally."

[Big War Bird]

In my adopted hometown a black man in the 1950's was perfectly safe. So long as he didn't look them in the eye, he was perfectly safe. So long as he didn't question his betters, he was perfectly safe. So long as he said the right words, he was perfectly safe. So long as he didn't didn't get uppity, he was perfectly place. So long as a black man, he knew his place, he was perfectly safe.

Welcome to Portland 2019.

Don't look Antifa in the eyes.
Don't question Antifa.
Act like your race is supposed to.

And you will be perfectly safe.

[Vanoi]

Comparing Antifia to the violence of the civil rights is extreme. Seems postsers want to solely focus on Antifia but the Proud Boys and the other alt-righters were part of the violence as well.

Guess it easier though to just blame the group you happen to not like.

[Katsumoto]

Would that be the same "both sides" news conference where Trump said:
"...and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally."

Yeah, that's the one.

[Morticia Iunia Bruti]

I'm really sure, if you would make a body count of leftwing and rightwing extremism in US, the far right would easily win.

And the ground for those violence is well made by those right-wing bloggers/hate preachers.

[Prodromos]

Antifa Shatters Mirror In Attempt To Punch Nazi

A member of Antifa, Dustin Day, injured himself over the weekend while attempting to punch a nazi he spotted.

“So I had my mask on and was ready to fight any nazis that came to Portland -- because I guess the city is full of them -- and then I saw one,” explained Day. “You could tell from just one look at the guy that he was a crazed sociopath looking for any excuse to get violent.” That’s when Day said he ran up and attempted to punch the nazi, but instead his fist hit some sort of “invisible shield.” He then screamed, “Advanced nazi technology!” and ran away.

Further investigation of where Day says he encountered the nazi revealed only a broken mirror hanging on the wall.

This all comes on the heels of three Antifa members looking down into a lake, saying they saw three nazis in the water, and promptly drowning in the confrontation.

[Big War Bird]

Comparing Antifia to the violence of the civil rights is extreme. Seems postsers want to solely focus on Antifia but the Proud Boys and the other alt-righters were part of the violence as well.

Guess it easier though to just blame the group you happen to not like.

Funny that I can't find any evidence of Any Proud boys being aggressive, even when reading the likes of HuffPo. But hey like the black man that looked a white man straight in the eyes in, I'm sure Andy Ngo deserved it.

[Vanoi]

Funny that I can't find any evidence of Any Proud boys being aggressive, even when reading the likes of HuffPo. But hey like the black man that looked a white man straight in the eyes in, I'm sure Andy Ngo deserved it.

You didn't look much.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/antifa-co...-and-onlookers

Portland police stated both sides were involved in the violence.

You can try to compare it all you want. Unlike the Proud Boys and the alt-right, African-Americans protested fir basic rights and practiced civil disobedience instead of attacking people even while being faced with threats of death.

The Proud Boys and alt-right are not even remotely comparable to the civil rights protesters. In how they actually behave and what they faced.

[Big War Bird]

Being involved in violence is not illegal. If I punch you and you punch me back, we are both involved in violence, but only one of has done anything wrong.

The Proud Boys hold a Free Speech Rally, Antifa shows up and and attacks them, and your you say they are both to blame. You may want to take your moral compass to the shop. Its broken.

[Vanoi]

Being involved in violence is not illegal. If I punch you and you punch me back, we are both involved in violence, but only one of has done anything wrong.

No you'd be in the wrong too. Self defense only works when you have no choice or means of escape. Don't give me the "he punched me first" excuse. You know cops don't give a about that. You'd get assault and battery too.

And btw all of this assumes Antifia started all of the altercations first. A mughty claim with zero evidence.

The Proud Boys hold a Free Speech Rally, Antifa shows up and and attacks them, and your you say they are both to blame. You may want to take your moral compass to the shop. Its broken.

The man who seriously compares alt-right protesters to civil rights protesters tells my moral compass is broken?

Just because it was their rally doesn't give them the right attack people. Antifia is in the wrong as well for also committing violent acts.

Thats the difference between me and you. I condemn all the violence by boths. You only care about Antifia's actions while tryi g to justify the violence of the Proud Boys.

That doublethink must be hard. You might need to be the one checking his moral compass.

[Genghis Skahn]

Guy goes to a place looking to provoke, get's punched after provoking.

...And in your bizarre worldview, that somehow justifies violence against him? Ludicrous logic as per usual, irontaino.

[Big War Bird]

No you'd be in the wrong too. Self defense only works when you have no choice or means of escape. Don't give me the "he punched me first" excuse. You know cops don't give a about that. You'd get assault and battery too.

Again there is no evidence that the Proud Boys did anything wrong, There are no arrests, and I haven't seen any videos of it. the Proud Boys culpability exists only in your mind at this point.

The man who seriously compares alt-right protesters to civil rights protesters tells my moral compass is broken?

I don't know what you mean by alt-right. Are you telling me that the Alt Right uphold free speech and by implication you don't? Please tell me about the values of the Alt-right, because you seem to to have conceded to them a very attractive value and adopted a very negative trait for your self. But please correct me if I am wrong about that.

Just because it was their rally doesn't give them the right attack people. Antifia is in the wrong as well for also committing violent acts.

There is no evidence that the Proud Boys attacked anyone. No arrests, no videos I've seen.

Thats the difference between me and you. I condemn all the violence by boths. You only care about Antifia's actions while tryi g to justify the violence of the Proud Boys.

Yes there is a difference between you and I. I can discern that the guilt for the violence in on the aggressors. I am not closing my eyes to the evidence before me. I can see who was arrested for attacking police officers, and it was not the Proud Boys. I can see the video of Andy Ngo being pelted and beaten. I am not throwing my hands up and saying a pox on both houses.

Every individual is responsible for his actions. I can't find any evidence of Andy Ngo doing anything wrong, nor by any person identifiable as a Proud Boys. I can on the other hand see multiple crime being committed by people who call themselves Antifa.

[PointOfViewGun]

How does one minor incident somehow mean that Portland has fallen?

[Vanoi]

Again there is no evidence that the Proud Boys did anything wrong, There are no arrests, and I haven't seen any videos of it. the Proud Boys culpability exists only in your mind at this point.

Except the Portland police say the Proud Boys were involved my source. Comitting civil disturbance and unlawful unrest.It even mentions people were arrested but it doesn't name who side they were on.

I don't know what you mean by alt-right. Are you telling me that the Alt Right uphold free speech and by implication you don't? Please tell me about the values of the Alt-right, because you seem to to have conceded to them a very attractive value and adopted a very negative trait for your self. But please correct me if I am wrong about that.

Commiting assault and battery along with civil disturbances and unlawful unrest is not free speech.

No one's free speech was violated.

There is no evidence that the Proud Boys attacked anyone. No arrests, no videos I've seen.

As stated above the police say they were involved and arrests were made. You aren't the standard for evidence. Just because you didn't see it doesn't mean the Portland police are wrong.

Yes there is a difference between you and I. I can discern that the guilt for the violence in on the aggressors. I am not closing my eyes to the evidence before me.

You've presented no evidence showing Antifia being the one who provoked all the violence. I've presented evidence showing the Proud Boys being involved.

You don't get to commit violenve on others just bexause someone else is.

I can see who was arrested for attacking police officers, and it was not the Proud Boys.

Then show. Show all those arrested were not part of the Pround Boys.

Every individual is responsible for his actions. I can't find any evidence of Andy Ngo doing anything wrong, nor by any person identifiable as a Proud Boys. I can on the other hand see multiple crime being committed by people who call themselves Antifa.

Portland Police disagree with you.