Re: Portland: Journalist injured during riot between Antifa and Proud Boys.
On your comments: On Mr. Ngo, if you follow the tweets you’ll find in source you will find this article. The tweets allege Mr. Ngo was also involved in filming the victims in a previous rally and thus aiding the doxing. Check the links, the tweets and the rest of the posters who answered you.
I also knew that you’d say DHS is something different which is why I added the story where it turns out that Mr. Meyer’s article is based on a single official suggestion on an internal email. A single official’s suggestion isn’t the dept.’s policy. Over exaggeration.
Freedom of speech is a whole other subject. Open a thread and I’ll debate you about that as well.
Now, to facts!
I apologize in advance because I couldn’t open some of your links without paying some subscription (due to me being in the EU). Even though it’s fun to prove you wrong, I don’t want to spend my euros on it.
I’ll start with the Bernie Sanders supporter. Fact: The man was present in a far-right rally, hosted by the Patriot Prayer Group and the Proud Boys group in Portland, in August 4. Fact: Both PP Group and PB Group demonstrate their white nationalist ideals carrying American flags in their rallies. Fact: According to Guardian it’s unclear who started the violence with a reporter insisting the first projectile was thrown from the fascists. So, what happened? A man goes to a far right rally carrying the American flag, get’s tangled with antifa and gets whooped. The fact that later the Oregonian releases and article saying the man in the video is a Bernie Sanders supporter, according to the link you provided above, is kind of shady.
Even if it’s true, the man was an idiot to go to a white supremacist rally and think no repercussions could come out of it. As I have said earlier, your own actions get you in trouble. Also, how do you feel that your national flag is being carried by white nationalists? I don’t see any outrage on the fact that the flag shouldn’t be soiled with ideologies of hate.
Let’s continue with the wheel-chair WW2 veteran. Firstly, Fox News in the article you provide here said it was a woman confined to a wheel chair, but I suppose it wasn’t controversial or outrageous enough so she was made to be a war veteran for extra triggers. Where was this taken? On the ‘’No to Marxism’’ rally, Berkeley, an alt-right – neo-nazi – white nationalist sponsored event. Again, someone went to a white nationalist rally, gets bullied by counter protesters, and suddenly everyone looses their mind. Please.
The link between progressive and leftist activities and Marxism was the main focus of the march which drew the attention of the counter-protesters. And if you think why that was a problem, well this link is nothing more than a rehashing of Nazi Propaganda [1]. It’s the same reason why antifa protest people like Dr. Jordan Peterson talking in universities. Dr. Peterson alludes to the existence of a liberal conspiracy which he labels cultural neo-marxism, an eerily close argument to that a certain minister of propaganda used in the late thirties in Germany.
On Tim Mak’s video regarding the egg thrown at his head from within [as he states in his tweet] antifa party, I have two things to say. First, Tim Mak himself is standing within the antifa bloc. If they wanted to beat on him, why didn’t they do that when they have him right there? Pause the video at 0:05-0:06 second and see the antifa flag right next to the camera. Second, the shorter man right in front of the camera seems completely oblivious of the fact that something flew with force over his head. In fact, he doesn’t even duck or move out of the way. In fact no one does. And if you think they just didn’t have to duck, think how quickly his eyes would have registered the object and how unintentionally he would have reacted even if the danger wasn’t close enough. It is only human. So… why doesn’t he duck?
On the CBS6 journalist who was attacked on the back of his head, it seems that the man didn’t not identify himself as press, nor did his ask for consent to film people on a funeral march for a dead woman, something that is standard journalism practice – it’s why you get the mosaic over faces when consent wasn’t acquired. The video of course was released without adhering to journalist ethics. You also linked the same story twice, presumably as a different story?
On the story of the reporter who got his audio cord cut from the camera, you do understand that the press has to ask for permission to film a person so close to their face? Bad press get’s people mad, that’s nothing new or controversial. Actually, according to the ethics of using eyewitness content, journalists can lose their credentials for filming without permission. Why are we taking offense for borderline unethical journalism?
Mr. Queally’s assertion about mob mentality isn’t something I can’t comment on, there’s no evidence aside from the tweet. Moving on. This article shows that your assertion of antifa beating up police officers originally came from an anti-police killing demonstration in Athens, Greece, and not the USA. Such was the zeal of the journalist to paint the antifa as attacking US police officers that they digitally added the antifa sign on the jacket so that you’d know who’s responsible.
I won’t keep going because I think I have proven firstly that at least part of the evidence you marshalled here are over-exagerations, mischaracterizations or flat out lies. Secondly, I am not paid nor interested to take on the entire industry of misinformation in your country on my lonesome. I just hope that this rebuttal will make some of you think twice on what and why are you being told some things. I’ll just leave Snopes.com here, a site that tries to separate fact from fiction.
Of course you will not cede the argument that part of what you believed was actually fabricated. In fact, you will tell me something like “Oh, this might not be completely true but what about x, y, z etc etc etc” Again, I am one man and they are hundreds if not a few thousand people doing this every day for years. It’s up to you and anyone else to search for the validity of story when something comes up.
Now, there's bound to be stories that are true or more true than others but again you must admit that from the above instances you mentioned, more than half are shaping up to be bull. Maybe instead of taking offense on a media-fueled perceived threat, you should ask yourself why certain parts of the media are so hell-bent into creating a national crisis with sensationalism and outrage pieces.
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