Portland: Journalist injured during riot between Antifa and Proud Boys.

[♔The Black Knight♔]

But assuming their country of origin isn't America just because they have brown skin, definitely is.

Also, could you not use the word 'mong'. As someone who has a close family member with Down Syndrome, I find it highly offensive. There are dozens of pejorative words you can use that don't expressly mock the mentally handicapped.

Please edit your post accordingly.

I don't think he intended to use the word in a derogatory way. It's accepted that 'mong' is short for mongrel (the dog breed).

It's just better to give the people the benefit of the doubt on the internet without the context of tone that may discern meaning. Otherwise it just creates another psychological barrier that makes coherent dialogue impossible.

[TheLeft]

I don't think he intended to use the word in a derogatory way. It's accepted that 'mong' is short for mongrel (the dog species).

It's just better to give the people the benefit of the doubt on the internet without the context of tone that may discern meaning. Otherwise it just creates another psychological barrier that makes coherent dialogue impossible.

mong

[mɒŋ]




NOUN
BRITISH
informal
offensive


mongs (plural noun)

• a person who is stupid or who has learning difficulties.
  
  

I hope you are right, but I find it very difficult to believe a British person who wouldn't know the derivation of the word.

[Infidel144]

I thought, it was some pretending affected accent for 'man', 'mang', 'mong'.

In any event my sister has downs syndrome, I did not take offense, and so I absolve Aexodus.

[Heathen Hammer]

Apparently for some here, the swastikas, the nazi salutes, the runes, the confederate flags and the stahlhelms are not signs of a problem.

And to think your grandparents braved the ocean to storm Normandy beaches...

People have a right to express the believes they like. Not to mention that actual National-Socialists are a fringe minority among actual right and have no sway in right-wing politics. So yeah, all SPLC does is just claim that people who aren't them are them, and then we have antifa terrorist attacks, like the one that happened near that detention center.
Also I really doubt that self-proclaimed "antifascists" understand that beliefs of Allied soldiers on things like race and society were more similar to Germans then to modern liberal left. Without a doubt, they wouldn't tolerate things like uncontrolled mass immigration or child abuse ("trans" kids and all that).

[Kritias]

It is not on me to prove your claim.
"Gibson says he's absolutely not a white supremacist. "I'm Japanese. We have three black speakers, a couple Hispanic, an atheist, a transsexual. We're extremely diverse. It's really irresponsible for the leaders to call me a white supremacist. It's completely unfounded."
"Gibson added that Identity Evropa, a group identified by Southern Poverty Law Center as white nationalist has been kicked out of their events in the past. The group is just one of the 917 hate groups being tracked by SPLC. Patriot Prayer is not."
http://www.ktvu.com/news/patriot-pra...st-im-japanese


Kritias is now victim blaming. He is now claiming that the victim of the antifa assault, who was a counter-protester (he was protesting what Kritias says are nazis) is to blame for being assaulted by antifa.









The victim of the antifa assault was a counter protester. Just like antifa. You called him an idiot, and are justifying antifa beating him. A Bernie supporting democrat who was protesting what you call nazis.
Didn'y you earlier claim you were against violence?
And antifa is supposed to go to go to "nazi rallies"...
Who decided that? Is there a law that says antifa is supposed to go to "nazi rallies", and no one else is allowed to?




After completely misreading and mis-represnting the articles, you are now making excuses for wheelchair bound people being assaulted and bullied.


No, completely irrelevant as we were not discussing Peterson. The only relevance now is that you claimed antifa only went after nazis and fascist. That saying anything different is a mischaracterization of antifa.
Now you are saying antifa went after Peterson.
Wait, are you claiming Peterson is a Nazi?


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Did I claim that? Odd, I thought I provided I bunch of examples of antifa attacking people who were not reporters (or nazis, except to antifa who randomly goes around calling randos nazis).
And lopsided(?), you are victim blaming and making excuses for antifa attacking non nazis...
Speaking about the press, that claim of yours about Ngo doxxing masked reporters at antifa rallies. Your sources still do not support your assertion.



Again, there was an article about Portland and an article about Antifa harrassing journalists at a unite the right ralliy where fascists did not show up.


Shouldn't that be 'as expeted kritias who claimed to be against violence, and says antifa only goes after nazis makes excuses for antifa when antifa attacks people who are not nazis, and blames the victims'.

<snipping out replies to things I did not say, kritias should put the name of the poster in the quote to prevent mistakes, though looking at his replies to the other poster, Kritias seems to be engaged in misrepresentation again e.g. "the media have done a marvelous job showing instances of people doing conservative things and getting attacked. A person was attacked holding the american flag - at a far-right rally, they omit"
The media omitted that the Bernie supporter was at a far right rally Kritias claims.
The articles I quoted stated that (or went even further), they did not omit it. Kritias, is going from misrepresentation to outright lying.

1. Gibson and the Patriot Prayer had/still have ties with white nationalists as seen here and here. Despite his love rhetorics, Gibson aiding a group of thugs going about to beat antifa thugs is barely 'peace-loving' tactics. Holding protests along with the Proud Boys is also indicative of what these people stand for, despite of what they say.

1.1 The fact that Gibson claims he's Japanese as an argument of he not being a white supremacist is due to the fact that you think Japanese are this, while forgetting they were also this. Gibson using the public perception to say he's not being a leader of thugs colluding with white nationalists is laughable.

1.2 Since by collusion the Patriot Prayer group is aiding a white nationalist group, the Proud Boys, it's up to you to show that they are not also fascists. When you collude with the devil...

2. The victim was part of a rally held by Proud Boys and Patriot Prayer. According to the Oregonian, he was counter-protesting. I doubt that, since if he was in the counter-protesters block he wouldn't be signaled out by the antifa militia, or he would be assisted by other counter-protesters against the thugs. This has happened a few times in the past. The video shows a man getting beaten by antifa militants with no one around interfering. If the man was not a Proud Boy and a Patriot Prayer member and this whole story fabricated, why wouldn't other people interfere?

3. Antifa is not just the militant branch, but the protesters who shout down fascism at the streets, and those who inform of fascism. Going to pro-fascism rallies to shout them down is part of what they do. Asking why antifa go to rallies to do what they do is indicative of your position in this argument.

4. People being shouted at during a rally. The probability of these people being bullied or shouted at if they were not at the rally would be nil. Have you ever seen a rally apart from the TV? It's not as sanitized as you might imagine. People are angry and angry people can do stupid things. It doesn't make them wrong on the whole. This doesn't deserve the outrage it caused, and you would know that if you ever seen a real rally. Picking up individual and broadcasting them over and over for people to get mad warrants attention. Your own insistence that this is somehow super important is evident. I'm pointing to that.

5. If you promote a conspiracy theory that the 'Left' is out trying to destroy western civilization, you're doing the right-wing extremists lip service; Dr. Peterson isn't a nazi, only this insistence of his to a conspiracy theory is highly controversial.

6. You insinuate that somehow the violence against the press is something the antifascists do to greater or even exclusive degree. To point, I have failed to see you argue that fascists are more violent, as shown by the JoD. How many people have lost their lives to counter-protesters? How many were shot at? How many were roughed up and beaten? Part of your media is blowing this way out of proportion and is making nazi and fascist thugs as being the 'heroic' defenders against the crazed leftist extremists. Do you deny that?

7. The Unite the Right rally is organized by far-right extremist groups. Evidence here.

8. Part of your media tried to outrage people by sharing stories of conservative and liberal people getting attacked, hustled, bullied etc at rallies. Part of your media downplayed the fact that these people were put in these situations during rallies where either the fascists were hosting, or where the fascists were counter-protesting.

9. Where these people who got assaulted, bullied, watered on, shouted at etc present in a rally where the organizers were far-right or the counter-protesters were far-right? Were parts of the media
representing these actions as unprovoked incidents, downplaying the context where these actions happened? Were parts of your media using images from other places, such as Greece, to trump up the outrage? If yes, I am not the one lying.

10. You still don't answer for the fact that there's an instance of antifa beating down on a police man not originating in America but used by your media as if it was. How many more of these?

[Aexodus]

I thought, it was some pretending affected accent for 'man', 'mang', 'mong'.

In any event my sister has downs syndrome, I did not take offense, and so I absolve Aexodus.

Thanks for the m-word pass buddy old pal.

[Basil II the B.S]

Liberal editors of wiki are actively suppressing any kind of information about the attacks from the Antifa page.
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/...lt-ice-attack/

The following lying excrements are involved: Carptrash (an antifa sympathizer himself), Grayfell, Tsumikiria (also antifa supporter), Weller, all of whom are main editors of politically relevant sections like indeed the Proud Boys. The infection has spread and the site is compromised.

This is it, another example of liberals that have gone full Orwell. Society must choose: freedom and truth or living with liberal parasytes like those. Those are mutually exclusive. Not compatible. This is an all out war on free information, truth, evidence, human decency, intellectual honesty and moral integrity. Liberals hate all of those just like they hate us.

[♔The Black Knight♔]

Liberal editors of wiki are actively suppressing any kind of information about the attacks from the Antifa page.
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/...lt-ice-attack/

The following lying excrements are involved: Carptrash (an antifa sympathizer himself), Grayfell, Tsumikiria (also antifa supporter), Weller, all of whom are main editors of politically relevant sections like indeed the Proud Boys.

This is it, the liberals have gone full Orwell. Society must choose: freedom and truth or living with the liberals. Those are mutually exclusive. This is an all out war on free information, truth, evidence, human decency, intellectual honesty and moral integrity. Liberals hate all of those just like they hate us.

There is only one option because you can't control human thought. You could purge every person you perceive to be dangerous to society, and yet over time, new people will create ideologies to create divisions and shake up power dynamics. It is sadly human nature to restrain speech, evidence, moral integrity etc... because human beings are identity and power driven and constantly unsatisfied with the status quo. You have no end game to prevent divisions and the creation of ideological thought, so it's silly to say we must choose one side. Humans can't choose, they only follow their nature.

[mongrel]

Thanks for the m-word pass buddy old pal.

I wouldn't claim that as a win myself.

[Gaidin]

Telling someone to go to their country of origin because you think they hate America is not racist, mong.

I am now officially concerned for you Aexodus. Telling a black person to go back to Africa, no, anarchist, government-less Somalia, after they took the Oath of Citizenship for America, is god damned racist. No wonder I can't talk to you in the other thread.



(Actually, I am a mathematician, but we'll leave that for another discussion)

And Aexodus, my favorite Brit, before you say anything, Ilhan has been a citizen longer than every foreign member of Trump's family. I want you to start saying "fair's fair" or sit down and shut up.

[Heathen Hammer]

I am now officially concerned for you Aexodus. Telling a black person to go back to Africa, no, anarchist, government-less Somalia, after they took the Oath of Citizenship for America, is god damned racist.

I don't think you really understand what the word "racism" means conventionally. If only folks in Mudpit would use terms for their meaning, and not as demagogic fighting words.

[Gaidin]

I don't think you really understand what the word "racism" means conventionally. If only folks in Mudpit would use terms for their meaning, and not as demagogic fighting words.

Trump was not willing to back this one long term HH. I'm not sure you should either.

[irontaino]

I don't think you really understand what the word "racism" means conventionally. If only folks in Mudpit would use terms for their meaning, and not as demagogic fighting words.

Seeing as how you believe racism doesn't exist, there wouldn't be a usage thats to your liking.

[Heathen Hammer]

Trump was not willing to back this one long term HH. I'm not sure you should either.

I still think you should look up conventional definition of a word before using it.

Seeing as how you believe racism doesn't exist, there wouldn't be a usage thats to your liking.

I prefer conventional meanings to my liking, I get that you think that everyone is "racist" for not agreeing with your ideology, but some of us prefer reality instead.

[TheLeft]

Where do you think he got the "Go back home" tropes?

If you don't honestly think Trump was being racist with this, then PM me because I've got some Magic Beans to sell you...

[mongrel]

I am now officially concerned for you Aexodus. Telling a black person to go back to Africa, no, anarchist, government-less Somalia, after they took the Oath of Citizenship for America, is god damned racist. No wonder I can't talk to you in the other thread.



(Actually, I am a mathematician, but we'll leave that for another discussion)

And Aexodus, my favorite Brit, before you say anything, Ilhan has been a citizen longer than every foreign member of Trump's family. I want you to start saying "fair's fair" or sit down and shut up.

You should see what he said about a black Briton being denied cancer treatment because of Theresa May's policies. At least Dr Mengele had trace amounts of empathy. That is the problem with a certain kind of politics, the lack of understanding that real people are affected by racist nonsense, even 'journalist' boy.

[Infidel144]

1. Gibson and the Patriot Prayer had/still have ties with white nationalists as seen here and here. Despite his love rhetorics, Gibson aiding a group of thugs going about to beat antifa thugs is barely 'peace-loving' tactics. Holding protests along with the Proud Boys is also indicative of what these people stand for, despite of what they say.

Again with the very strange 'white supramacists' that are 'not white'... That have 'not whites' in their group. That tell white supremacists not to come to their rallies.
And you just called antifa thugs, saying: "while Gibson aiding a group of thugs going about to beat antifa thugs is barely 'peace-loving' tactics" linking to an article about this recent protest that Gibson does not seem to have attended, and that antifa showed up to and attacked and beat non fascists and non nazis and non whites (i.e. the subject of this thread). Strange.

1.1 The fact that Gibson claims he's Japanese as an argument of he not being a white supremacist is due to the fact that you think Japanese are this, while forgetting they were also this. Gibson using the public perception to say he's not being a leader of thugs colluding with white nationalists is laughable.

Are you claiming that the Japanes of the WWII era were "white supremacist"?
Hmm.... I dont think I've said what I think of Japanese. So that would be more indicative of your thoughts on the Japanese. And those thoughts would seem to be rather, well racist.

1.2 Since by collusion the Patriot Prayer group is aiding a white nationalist group, the Proud Boys, it's up to you to show that they are not also fascists. When you collude with the devil...

Again with these strange white nationalist that are not white and accept non whites into their group.
And that is not how burden of proof works.

2. The victim was part of a rally held by Proud Boys and Patriot Prayer. According to the Oregonian, he was counter-protesting. I doubt that, since if he was in the counter-protesters block he wouldn't be signaled out by the antifa militia, or he would be assisted by other counter-protesters against the thugs. This has happened a few times in the past. The video shows a man getting beaten by antifa militants with no one around interfering. If the man was not a Proud Boy and a Patriot Prayer member and this whole story fabricated, why wouldn't other people interfere?

What you "doubt" is entirely irrelevant. I think your 'doubts' and claims of 'fabrication' are an attempt to cover for your previous victim blaming.
And now antifa is a militia and thugs...

3. Antifa is not just the militant branch, but the protesters who shout down fascism at the streets, and those who inform of fascism. Going to pro-fascism rallies to shout them down is part of what they do. Asking why antifa go to rallies to do what they do is indicative of your position in this argument.

Strange. I did not ask why antifa goes to rallies.
You, Kritias, stated "The antifa is supposed to go to nazi rallies to protest them. Regular people who go to nazi rallies are just people who are taken in by the hate rhetoric."
Antifa is supposed to go to nazi rallies. Your statement.
My question was:
Who decided that? Is there a law that says antifa is supposed to go to "nazi rallies", and no one else is allowed to?
Lying about what I asked is rather indicative of your position...

4. People being shouted at during a rally. The probability of these people being bullied or shouted at if they were not at the rally would be nil. Have you ever seen a rally apart from the TV? It's not as sanitized as you might imagine. People are angry and angry people can do stupid things. It doesn't make them wrong on the whole. This doesn't deserve the outrage it caused, and you would know that if you ever seen a real rally. Picking up individual and broadcasting them over and over for people to get mad warrants attention. Your own insistence that this is somehow super important is evident. I'm pointing to that.

Still making excuses for wheelchair bound people being bullied and attacked by antifa. Including the one where the 'rally' came to the woman's home...
And, are you saying the media should not report incidents where antifa does "stupid things", such as attacking wheelchair bound people?
That seems like you want antifa violen... er I mean masked gang defensive actions to be covered up.
Is that your position?

5. If you promote a conspiracy theory that the 'Left' is out trying to destroy western civilization, you're doing the right-wing extremists lip service; Dr. Peterson isn't a nazi, only this insistence of his to a conspiracy theory is highly controversial.

Peterson is not a nazi. Okay.
So unlike what you were claimng earlier, antifa does not only go after nazis and fascists.

6. You insinuate that somehow the violence against the press is something the antifascists do to greater or even exclusive degree. To point, I have failed to see you argue that fascists are more violent, as shown by the JoD. How many people have lost their lives to counter-protesters? How many were shot at? How many were roughed up and beaten? Part of your media is blowing this way out of proportion and is making nazi and fascist thugs as being the 'heroic' defenders against the crazed leftist extremists. Do you deny that?

I did not insinuate that. As is amply shown by me noting all sorts of individuals getting attacked by antifa.
I have no need to argue about violent fascists. The discourse is antifa's violence and the thread is aimed at that. You are simply attempting to change the subject. In addition to victim blaming. Perhaps in an attempt to perpetuate your seeming desire that antifa actions be covered up.

7. The Unite the Right rally is organized by far-right extremist groups. Evidence here.

And? So what? The article I supplied notes that ("when a long-planned rally for far-right extremists"), and indicates a lack of fascists for antifa to go after, so antifa went after reporters.
Which was the point of the article, showing that antifa goes after people who are not nazis.

8. Part of your media tried to outrage people by sharing stories of conservative and liberal people getting attacked, hustled, bullied etc at rallies. Part of your media downplayed the fact that these people were put in these situations during rallies where either the fascists were hosting, or where the fascists were counter-protesting.


9. Where these people who got assaulted, bullied, watered on, shouted at etc present in a rally where the organizers were far-right or the counter-protesters were far-right? Were parts of the media
representing these actions as unprovoked incidents, downplaying the context where these actions happened? Were parts of your media using images from other places, such as Greece, to trump up the outrage? If yes, I am not the one lying.

Kritias asserts (i.e. lies) that the media omitted that the Bernie supporting democrat was at a far right rally (the Bernie supporting democrat was a 'counter-protester). While both of the articles I quoted from noted that. After being called on his lie, Kritias changes to the media downplayed it.
This also seems a continued indication that Kritias wants antifa violence covered up. While continuing to blame the victims.
And i could have sworn Kritias said he was against violence. Was I mistaken?
"No, I do not support violence. I believe that the ultimate refuge of the citizen is the law. I'm middle class like that"

10. You still don't answer for the fact that there's an instance of antifa beating down on a police man not originating in America but used by your media as if it was. How many more of these?

While the article I supplied was about antifa going after reporters at a rally when antifa could not find the fascists (of course since the un-pathetic un-cowards of un-nazi antifa get to define who the fascists are, then antifa can simply define the reporters as fascists), and I have to avoid the attempts by Kritias to shift the subject to other countries, I will indulge for a moment.
Kritias is on about this picture of antifa beating down on police in another country.
Yet Kritias has claimed that "The antifa attack the fascists, not the State. In fact, most of the actions of antifa incorporate the State".
Now last I checked police ( of whom Kritias says: "The police can also use violence, but because it does so for the greater good we call that 'force', not violence") are part of the State, and antifa does not attack the State, but antifa was beating down police.
All very confusing.

[Kritias]

Casting doubt on the media outlets of your country is what any sane person would do, considering that most scientific publications on journalism have been raising the alarm on populism and fake news -coming predominantly from right-wing outlets like Fox News and Breitbart. In fact, the domination of the right-wing outlets is so complete that even the liberal news are swept into representing the same subjects. You can see more information regarding the tragic situation of misinformation in your country here, here, here, here and here.

Posting short clips of videos lasting less than a full minute doesn’t provide enough context, or time to determine whether there was instigation or not. What these news outlets do is misguide with outrageous titles, a similarly outrageous story playing down or misrepresenting parts of the truth, followed by very short clips to back these claims. And if you think that it’s me saying this, you’re mistaken. It’s the experts. Read the links above.

That answers, for the seventh time, why I state that the coverage of the media is problematic and borderline enabling the alt-right which I assume you also condemn as terrorists following all their numerous hate crimes. Perhaps a visual aid will assist you in better understanding the argument:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Moving on. Regarding to mr. Ngo, I highly doubt that he’d not been disavowed as a journalist from any other country following his condemnably unethical behaviour. I’ll just remind you of the time when, amidst the Sharia law panic in your country, Mr. Ngo misrepresented a public safety ordinance in England as evidence of Islamic cultural dominance. I’m just going to leave his article, subtly named “A visit to Islamic England”. Does that justify his getting beaten up? Unfortunately, no. Even though Mr. Ngo himself through his actions aided an alt-right hysteria on muslim encroachment thus pushing those getting ready to attack muslims even further, and doxed a woman [breach of journalist ethics] thus putting her life in danger. On a better world Mr. Ngo wouldn’t be employed as a journalist after all his unethical antics to be there to cover the rally. But we don’t, and he did and he got beaten.

In regard to Mr. Gibson, I said it before, and I will say it again: claiming that you are a non-white minority to mask your support for the alt-right, the neo-nazis and fascists is as solid an argument as that one black friend that you have, or your close gay pals. Meaning - not at all. I won’t go again on how he’s supporting the alt-right. I’ve given you around thirty links from the beginning of this discussion.

Incidentally, I also noted, that declaring yourself Japanese as that’s somehow proof of you not being a white nationalist sympathizer is a very unfortunate, and a very telling non-argument for whomever knows even a little bit of history. The Japanese, during WW2, waged their own war of extermination based on their ‘whiteness’ compared to the ‘yellow dogs’ as the Japanese called them – the Chinese, the Manchurians, the Koreans and others. Hitler didn’t name them the ‘Aryans of the Orient’ and held them in high regard for nothing. Crack open a history book from time to time. The argument you perceived as ‘racist’ was a commentary on Japan’s policy not to recognise for its atrocities and instead ‘over-cutify’ themselves for the West. This is not a judgement on the people themselves but on state policy. The image that didn’t open, fyi, was a hallo kitty. You can learn more about that strategy here, here and here.

Regarding Dr. Peterson, I said that he’s not a Nazi BUT he’s promoting a theory with very close ties to Nazi Propaganda. What’s the difference between his theory of cultural neo-marxism and cultural bolshevism by Goebbels, exactly? That Goebbels blamed the Jews bringing down the west with culture while Peterson claims that leftists are plotting to bring down civilization with identity politics? I really doubt that, for a man who professes he studied totalitarianism and Nazi Germany in particular for many years, he has no clue that he’s partially rehashing Goebbels. The reason I brought Dr. Peterson up isn't random; you feel that conservatives are being attacked with no reason, but I showed you one case where a conservative targeted has indeed given reason for that.


Moving on. While you say I am victim blaming, you’ve yet to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that these people were actually what Breitbart and Fox News claim they were – check again my first argument, check the links and get it through your head that people professionally involved with monitoring the news and analysing the trends are calling the right-wing media outlets out for spreading misinformation and lies. Forgive me for not trusting your news blindly.

In fact, omission and misrepresentations, misguiding headlines, double meaning words etc are known to be the specialty of right-wing outlets as seen from the aforementioned publications. So me stating they omit and misrepresent is somehow a lie? Tell it to the publications! As for the Unite the Right rally which as stated in the link I provided was hosted by the alt-right, neo-nazis and white supremacists, it would be highly improbable that the people hosting it wouldn’t also attend it. The article you provided states there where nowhere to be seen, so antifa attacked journalists. So, either the alt-right called for the rally and then bailed on it, or this story is bull. I call bull.


On the case of the image from Greece you show your poor understanding of the argument. This image was taken during the so-called December Revolt when two special guards shot dead a 15-year old kid for the crime of being in the wrong place, namely exarcheia square. The outrage this cold blood shooting caused, along with the guard’s defense that the bullet ricocheted somewhere to find the kid’s heart drove close to a million people in the street. There’s no indication that the person shown is an anarchist or an antifa or just a very pissed off citizen, in fact if you check the link I provided, you will know that the editor added the antifa flag later, for extra triggers.

Greece’s police is considered among the most brutal in Europe, with many human rights violations as well as deaths, tortures and all the good stuff. You can see some of their accomplishments here, here and here. Simply put – Greeks strongly dislike them. The way we as a whole treat our police has nothing to do with how you treat the police in the United States.

So, give me a reason why the right-wing media outlets reproduced and re-purposed this image as if it had happened in your country and not mine, if not for triggering you? And if it happened beyond the shadow of a doubt once, why do you think that they haven’t done it before or will do it again?

From your conversation it is evident that you want to paint the thuggisness of the antifa as equal to the far-right. The reason is also pretty obvious: the logical extention of conservativism is the alt-right, the reactionary backwards looking extremism so it must hold to reason that the logical extention of the left should also encompass extremism and terrorism in equal measures. But this is just not true. To date, the antifa movement has claimed no lives while the alt-right has caused dozens of deaths in the last decade alone. While antifas have at times overstepped boundaries and have mischaracterized people and assaulted them, on the whole the stories you can marshall against them are at the least shaky and in no way the acts of terror some of the right-wing media outlets want to portray.

In fact, it is very interesting to note that when antifa went to fight the actual terrorism of ISIS, as volunteers from throughout the world under the US camp of the fight in Syria, there was no report of them. Instead, they are now being systematically shown as 'domestic terrorists' - even though this has not been proven to be anything but an exaggeration.

It is quite understandable and it's obvious that we will not agree, which is fine. But if I might leave you will a last piece of information, read this study on charlottesville. In it you will find monumental differences in the approach of both groups in communication and motivations. Perhaps opening up to the academic community will help shatter some of the illusions for you.

As a closing statement, I've been trying to show you that there's more to what you think you know in this story between the alt-right and the antifa, changing my arguments around to be better understood. I've given you enough sources to back my claims. I hold that if someone get's roughed up at a rally, especially when the alt-right strategy has been strategically pushing boundaries following the car killing in Charlottesville and the mass shooting at the church, is also partially responsible. When you're an active political person in your community and elsewhere, you cannot claim ignorance of what you're supporting or what that entails. And bashing the fash, even though unconventional and very problematic in normalizing violence, isn't ethnic cleansing, putting people in internment camps or daydreaming of white-only homelands.

I also hold that fascism is on the rise, not because I want it to be so but because the polls throughout the globe keep showing that the neo-nazis, the fascists, the white nationalists, the totalitarians are rising everywhere. But you and many others keep focusing on the uncomfortable antifas. This rise, unfortunately, is based on very dark motives from some of the media outlets who, presumably for clicks and ad money, keep on drumming the cause of the alt-right to be 'patriotic' even though they straight-forwardly propose the disenfranchisement of citizens just like you on the basis of color or religion. And even though you may think that they're just on the fringes and that you don't feed into their rhetoric, if you read the last study I linked you will see that the first ones to talk about the domestic terrorism of leftists were the right-wing extremists. You have reached the point where you rehash their arguments, thinking them correct and just.

You can keep telling yourself that I'm lying. Studies have shown and will continue to show the opposite.

[Diocle]

I am now officially concerned for you Aexodus. Telling a black person to go back to Africa, no, anarchist, government-less Somalia, after they took the Oath of Citizenship for America, is god damned racist. No wonder I can't talk to you in the other thread. ..

So, today, if a non leftist citizen tells some African to go back to Africa, he is racist, meanwhile ..

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.. Paul Cuffee, believed that blacks should return to the African homeland, despite many having been in the United States for generations. Cuffee's dream was that free African Americans and freed slaves "could establish a prosperous colony in Africa," one based on emigration and trade. In 1811, Cuffee founded the Friendly Society of Sierra Leone, a cooperative black group intended to encourage “the Black Settlers of Sierra Leone, and the Natives of Africa generally, in the Cultivation of their Soil, by the Sale of their Produce.” As Wright put it, "Cuffee hoped to send at least one vessel each year to Sierra Leone, transporting African-American settlers and goods to the colony and returning with marketable African products."

The first ship, Mayflower of Liberia (formerly Elizabeth), departed New York on February 6, 1820, for West Africa carrying 86 settlers. Between 1821 and 1838, the American Colonization Society developed the first settlement, which would be known as Liberia. On July 26, 1847, the country declared independence.

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.. deporting thousands Afro Americans into a * country in Africa, to colonize it (and annoy even the locals), was and is OK and you become a ****ing hero of Cosmopolitanism and a legendary defender of
Afro American rights! I don't see any logic, but, here, you are the mathematician, so, .. I shut up.

[Gaidin]

So, today, if a non leftist citizen tells some African to go back to Africa, he is racist, meanwhile ..



infamous-leftist-source

.. deporting thousands Afro-Americans into a * country to colonize it (and annoy even the locals) was and is OK and you become a ****ing hero of Cosmopolitanism and a legendary defender of
Afro American rights! I don't see any logic, but here, you are the mathematician, so, .. I shut up.

So because freed slaves started Liberia before abolition in the US, you think a black free American should go back to anarchist Somalia?

You're right, I am the mathematician. There is literally nothing there. Nothing but the racism of telling a black free American to go back to anarchist Somalia.