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    Thank you for all this great documentation. Maybe the creators of Magyar mod will agree to share their units?

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    Heavy Cavalry / Knights -XV.th century:
    The main armour type was the German gothic, but rare the Italian styled gothic armour appear to. The secondary weapons was the straight sword, heavy gothic sabre or mace. The shield usage was rare, but few person wear small hand pavise. The wealthier ones has used some horse armour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kostic View Post
    Thank you for all this great documentation. Maybe the creators of Magyar mod will agree to share their units?
    Willingly!
    The creators of Magyar mod never released their cavalry models. Just they shared some pictures about them almost nine years ago. Since then, the two-person modder team has not worked together. I downloaded the public pictures from an old Hungarian language forum, which no longer works. The Magyar Mod cavalry models based on historical sources, so they are very historical looking. In my opinion the pictures are usable as source pictures for modelling.
    Last edited by Brezkimra; March 07, 2021 at 03:58 PM.
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    Heavy Cavalry / Knights ~1500 ~1530.:
    The german style gothic armour still popular. But used some of maximiliam type armour too. These cavalry units are not as armored as Western European heavy cavalry. The full horse armour are rare.
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    Mounted standard- bearers in 1526.:
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    King's bodyguard after ~1500:
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    Székely Horse Archers -in the XV.th century:
    Transylvanian light horse archers. They will be the archer specialists of Hungarian Kingdom.
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    Székely Lancers -after ~1470.:
    Transylvanian light lancer cavalry.
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    Peasant Horse Archers (Militia Portalis) - XV.th century:
    Bad quality light cavalry, a new unit raised historically by king Sigismund. Not wore armour. Their secondary weapons the straight one-handed sword.
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    Mounted Crossbowmen:
    First known appearance in 1238., in the late era they representing the czech light cavalry used constantly by the hungarian kings and governors.
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    Light Lancers (like mounted sergeants):
    Medium cavalry. Some of them should wear sallet helmet, and sallet with bevor to (I read that in King Mathias order). The croatians are much number in this unit type.
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    Woow good images and information about hungarians! And about infantry and "on foot soldiers", do you have also information? Is it true that hungarians used a "line infantry" with spears and pavise shields?
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    Hussars ~1430~1530:
    Light lancer cavalry. Fast horse, good stamina, hide in forest, good morale. Not much staying power after the charge. The armour is rare, but someones wear chain-mail and conical helmet with iron nose guard stick. In early times serbians and hungarians fighting together in this unit. In the later times mainly hungarians figting in this unit.
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    Hussars ~1430~1530:
    Light lancer cavalry.
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    Hussars 1540-1560.:
    Medium lancer cavalry. After 1526. the hussars wore more armour, and they are become medium cavalry. They are replaced the heavy cavalry. In this period the hussars ethnically only was hungarians.
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    Famous generals in XV.th century:
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    Kings in armour - XIV-XVI.th century:
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    I don't want to disappoint, but I don't think I'll ever go so far as to remake the 15th / 16th century units.
    Two reasons:
    - I already have too much work for the 12th and 13th century
    - I have never managed to play beyond 1300 yet


    But of course, others than me might have the courage to tackle it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j.a.luna View Post
    Woow good images and information about hungarians! And about infantry and "on foot soldiers", do you have also information? Is it true that hungarians used a "line infantry" with spears and pavise shields?
    The medieval Hungarian warfare was based on cavalry. The Infantry was not so significant, and I haven't a lot of information about them. You can read some information about infantry units in the Magyar Mods's unit cards detailed description.
    In my opinion they are not typical "line infantry".-If I understand your question exactly.
    In the army of King Mathias the infantry units fought in a complex defensive round formation. The "pavise spearmen" (with spear, halberd, awl pike) made a shieldwall in the outer ring. Behind them was the second line of heavy armored infantry. Behind them was the gunner and crossbow shooters. And behind them, in the middle of the formation was the light infantry, which attack if the enemy is withdraw. And they can going back to the formation if they felt danger.This formation will can blocking the attack of enemy cavalry or infantry until the heavy cavalry is preparing for an attack again- and again behind them.
    Sorry, I can't explain difficult things with my bad english.
    If you are interested in medieval Hungarian military history, I recommend an english language book. You can download it in this page: https://vk.com/wall-52136985_24372

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    I really love the black armor that the royal banderium uses and I thought it would be cool if more of the late hungarian units used black plate armor. Just a small visual change i feel would make the hungarians much more distinguished in the very late game.

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    Can I get screenshot(s) about the full Carpathian Basin from upcoming SSHIP098 campaign map?

    I looked a partial picture ( in this topic: https://www.twcenter.net/forums/show...CHANGES-by-JoC ), and I found some mistakes.
    I can help to You with informations for a more historical Hungarian Kingdom campaign map.
    (I'm hungarian. My english is not so good. Sorry.)

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    The map is as it was before.
    Unfortunately, we don't have a mapper at this moment and we don't do thorough changes - other than changing the borders of the provinces, or placement of the resources or settlements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jurand of Cracow View Post
    The map is as it was before.
    Unfortunately, we don't have a mapper at this moment and we don't do thorough changes - other than changing the borders of the provinces, or placement of the resources or settlements.
    I would mark it the true location of settlements, settlement names and maybe the provinces borders.
    (I'm hungarian. My english is not so good. Sorry.)

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    @szkelkun: do you happen to know if the Medieval spelling was Piroska or Piriska? And if the name Borbala was used at that time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jurand of Cracow View Post
    @szkelkun: do you happen to know if the Medieval spelling was Piroska or Piriska? And if the name Borbala was used at that time?

    The medieval spelling form was Pirisk. And yes, Borbala was used at that time.

    The most common Hungarian names in the 11-14.th century:

    Men: András, Béla, Benedek, Bot, Bulcsú, Cseke, Csoma, Egyed, Éliás, Farkas, Gergely, György, Gyula, Hipolit, István, Izsák, Jákob, János, Kozma, László, Lőrinc, Lukács, Márkus, Márton, Máté, Mátyás, Mihály, Miklós, Nemhő, Orbán, Ős, Pál, Salamon, Sámson, Saul, Sebestyén, Simon, Tamás, Tompa, Vásárd, Vid, Vasad

    Women: Erzsébet, Margit, Katalin, Anna, Ilona, Klára, Aglent, Ágnes, Kunigunda, Sebe, Mária, Jolán, Ágota, Csala, Magdolna, Liliom, Viola, Borbála, Izolda, Rózsa, Gyöngy, Petronella, Dorottya, Cecília, Gertrúd, Lúcia, Adél, Dominika, Húg, Rozina, Benedikta, Anasztázia, Judit



    The use of surnames was not widespread at the time. But the use of clan names began in the early 13th century. At later the clan names transform to family names.

    Clan names:
    Aba
    Ábrány
    Adorján
    Agmánd
    Ajtony
    Ákus
    Apor
    Almád
    Baksa
    Balog
    Bana
    Barocs
    Bor
    Barsa
    Becse
    Bél
    Bicskei
    Bogátradvány
    Boszlig
    Bucska
    Budmer
    Bús
    Búzád
    Csák
    Csanád
    Csolt
    Divék
    Dorozsma
    Elek
    Érd
    Ethuruh
    Etre
    Frangepán
    Gatal
    Geregye
    Gúg
    Gútkeled
    Gyovád
    Gyüre
    Hahót
    Héder
    Herény
    Hermán
    Hodos
    Holló
    Hunt-Pázmány
    Igmánd
    Ják
    Jenő
    Jőre
    Kaál
    Kacsics
    Kán
    Kaplony
    Kartal
    Káta
    Katapán
    Katyuz
    Kér
    Kézdi
    Kolcs
    Kölcse
    Kürt
    Lád
    Lőrinte
    Ludány
    Magyar
    Megyes
    Miskolc
    Monoszló
    Mortumis
    Nádasd
    Nánabeszter
    Németi
    Nolcsa
    Osli
    Otrokocs
    Örsúr
    Péc
    Pok
    Pöse
    Rád
    Rátót
    Rosd
    Sártvány
    Szák
    Szalók
    Szil
    Tétény
    Tibold
    Tomaj
    Türje
    Túroly
    Tyukod
    Vojk
    Vojn
    Záh
    Zsadány
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    Thanks again, @szikelkun! I've included your proposals into the mods, it's contains now +100 Hungarian names

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