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    Default The colour code system and Armies.

    Took me a while to work out this game, The 5 colour codes in Generals and what they can recruit.(since the game does not tell you this).

    Earth, Fire, Wind, Water, Metal.

    Red being focused on Horses.
    Yellow focused on Leaders?.
    Purple focused on Sword and axe infantry.
    Blue focused on Archers and artillery.
    Green focused on Spear infantry.

    Now the question on Armies can only consist on three Generals and only three colour combos, I feel this is very limiting to get a good all round army force. For instance you cannot have spears, swords, archers ,leaders and horses in the same army, or rather need to leave one out.

    Thus I'm not a huge fan of this system, Shogun 2 was much better, only needing one general and can separate stacks under captains. So saying this game is more complex seems a trick to me.

    Do you enjoy this system ?. or are you like me that just finds it unnecessarily frustrating and game crippling system?. I still worry this franchise will be dumbed down to suit consoles, ive seen it happen to other games like Battlefield 5 series.
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    Default Re: The colour code system and Armies.

    You can actually. Except some specific mid tier units, you can basically recruit and command any units of different color. Unless you're really into some meta stuff, the stats and bonuses does really feel any different.

    I think you only get a bit of extra buff if retinue is the same color but no negative buff if use diffferent color than the general. Not entirely sure though.

    In my mid to late campaign, I mostly mix and match units in my armies regardless of the colors.

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    I actually really like the system!

    It offers something fresh to the TW series, without being gimmicky or unbalanced, and there is nothing stopping you from ordering your forces the old fashioned way once on the battlefield. Even the old sorting system is selectable in the options menu. Also, the advantages units can get are quite strong. Getting 50% more ammo for ranged units, or +70% additional health for the duelling general, is not to be underestimated.

    And then you have the skill tree, which can be divided in 3 groups

    • Skills for the retinue only (own retinue)
    • Skill for the entire army (own army)
    • Skill when commanding the army (own army)

    (i'll leave administered settlement out of it, although that +75% commerce/spice/silk bonus, or that -50% corruption bonus, is really useful mid-game onwards)


    It is usually best if you put a Green as “Commanding General”

    Bonusses
    When Commanding:
    Red: replenishment and movement range
    Purple: -
    Yellow: +10 morale buffs
    Blue: increased rate of damage to walls/settlement when sieging, movement range
    Green: replenishment, movement, morale, reďnformcement buffs

    Own Army:
    Red: -
    Purple: Night Battles, Armor Piercing
    Yellow: Night Battles
    Blue: Night Battles, capturing officers, +10 supplies in enemy territory
    Green: -

    Own Retinue:
    Red: charging, running and shock cavalry bonusses
    Purple: Fire Arrows, negate enemy charge bonus
    Yellow: Fire Arrows, charging and running bonusses
    Blue: Fire Arrows, Flaming Shot
    Green: speed, fatigue resistance

    Also, many generals come with personal bonusses from the get go, seen in the “military” tab of a general. From scare, to charge reflection, to fatigue resistance, they are all quite useful (especially scare) and is often the decider between, for example, one Lvl 1 Blue vs another Lvl 1 Blue.

    Administration
    Red: -25% bldg upkeep
    Purple: +15% industry, +40% commerce, +5 Public Order


    So roughly, this is how they stack up to eachother:

    Red: flanking
    Green: duelling
    Yellow: defensive
    Blue: sieging and ranged attacks
    Purple: administration

    I'm still confused about the duelling mini-game though, so if someone would to chime in that would be great

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    Default Re: The colour code system and Armies.

    Quote Originally Posted by LestaT View Post
    You can actually. Except some specific mid tier units, you can basically recruit and command any units of different color. Unless you're really into some meta stuff, the stats and bonuses does really feel any different.

    I think you only get a bit of extra buff if retinue is the same color but no negative buff if use diffferent color than the general. Not entirely sure though.

    In my mid to late campaign, I mostly mix and match units in my armies regardless of the colors.
    Thanks , my biggest issue is getting swords men or melee specific units, ive only been able to recruit them with Purple so far.

    Quote Originally Posted by JupiterMoneta View Post
    I actually really like the system!

    It offers something fresh to the TW series, without being gimmicky or unbalanced, and there is nothing stopping you from ordering your forces the old fashioned way once on the battlefield. Even the old sorting system is selectable in the options menu. Also, the advantages units can get are quite strong. Getting 50% more ammo for ranged units, or +70% additional health for the duelling general, is not to be underestimated.

    And then you have the skill tree, which can be divided in 3 groups

    • Skills for the retinue only (own retinue)
    • Skill for the entire army (own army)
    • Skill when commanding the army (own army)

    (i'll leave administered settlement out of it, although that +75% commerce/spice/silk bonus, or that -50% corruption bonus, is really useful mid-game onwards)


    It is usually best if you put a Green as “Commanding General”

    Bonusses
    When Commanding:
    Red: replenishment and movement range
    Purple: -
    Yellow: +10 morale buffs
    Blue: increased rate of damage to walls/settlement when sieging, movement range
    Green: replenishment, movement, morale, reďnformcement buffs

    Own Army:
    Red: -
    Purple: Night Battles, Armor Piercing
    Yellow: Night Battles
    Blue: Night Battles, capturing officers, +10 supplies in enemy territory
    Green: -

    Own Retinue:
    Red: charging, running and shock cavalry bonusses
    Purple: Fire Arrows, negate enemy charge bonus
    Yellow: Fire Arrows, charging and running bonusses
    Blue: Fire Arrows, Flaming Shot
    Green: speed, fatigue resistance

    Also, many generals come with personal bonusses from the get go, seen in the “military” tab of a general. From scare, to charge reflection, to fatigue resistance, they are all quite useful (especially scare) and is often the decider between, for example, one Lvl 1 Blue vs another Lvl 1 Blue.

    Administration
    Red: -25% bldg upkeep
    Purple: +15% industry, +40% commerce, +5 Public Order


    So roughly, this is how they stack up to eachother:

    Red: flanking
    Green: duelling
    Yellow: defensive
    Blue: sieging and ranged attacks
    Purple: administration

    I'm still confused about the duelling mini-game though, so if someone would to chime in that would be great
    Thanks some good info there I didn't know. Sorry I'm still rather confused about everything in game lol.
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    Default Re: The colour code system and Armies.

    While you can only recruit trebuchets and crossbows from blue generals only, if he died then you can replace with any color generals and still keep the units.

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    Default Re: The colour code system and Armies.

    wow did not know that. is that both records and romance mode?.
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    Default Re: The colour code system and Armies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lionheart11 View Post
    wow did not know that. is that both records and romance mode?.
    Havent played records but I believe the same. You only can replace dead generals, with option to keep existing retinues.

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