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    Quote Originally Posted by Legio_Italica View Post
    A military invasion means military pretext. As long as China can Anschluss its way to expansion, there will be no red line.
    Man i wish someone would have told that to Portugal when they lost Goa to India.

    You don't need a military pretext. India proved that.

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    Man i wish someone would have told that to Portugal when they lost Goa to India.

    You don't need a military pretext. India proved that.
    If you’re trying to make an argument about this it’s a non sequitur. Portuguese troops tried and failed to mount a defense, and I don’t see how that episode would be contextually analogous anyway. Also, India isn’t a murderous authoritarian expansionist regime recognized by many countries around the world as a growing global threat. I’m not saying an invasion of HK would be akin to Poland in 1939, but neither is Taiwan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanoi View Post
    The handover didn't seal ts fate. The death of colonialism did. If the UK didn't hand over Hong Kong those years ago China would have just likely invaded it already. Hong Kong isn't Taiwan. Its on the mainland and thus the Chinese would always have the advantage.
    The suggestion is not that the British were in a position to protect Hong Kong from the PRC; its that the US could have interceded to guarantee an independent Hong Kong rather than accepting the PRC's claim to sovereignty over the region.



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    I would think that the Korean War had proven the western world, that China is capable for surprising hard hitting offensives. US led UN forces were quickly pushed back southwards.

    So Vanoi is absolutely right, Hong Kong is on the mainland, no island to which you must transport military supply, which means you must have naval superiority to secure permanent supply.

    Bringing supply to Taiwan for an invasion force is hard, bringing supply to Hong Kong needs only lorries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legio_Italica View Post
    If you’re trying to make an argument about this it’s a non sequitur. Portuguese troops tried and failed to mount a defense, and I don’t see how that episode would be contextually analogous anyway. Also, India isn’t a murderous authoritarian expansionist regime recognized by many countries around the world as a growing global threat. I’m not saying an invasion of HK would be akin to Poland in 1939, but neither is Taiwan.
    Your right India isn't China. You've said yourself that China can't be trusted. I'm not saying Portugal didn't do enough. I'm saying that China would do anything in it means to take back Hong Kong.

    We need to learn to pick our fights. Taiwan is defendable. Hong Kong wouldn't be and never was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanoi View Post
    Your right India isn't China. You've said yourself that China can't be trusted. I'm not saying Portugal didn't do enough. I'm saying that China would do anything in it means to take back Hong Kong.

    We need to learn to pick our fights. Taiwan is defendable. Hong Kong wouldn't be and never was.
    Agreed. But we could certainly do more than we are. My gripe is with the financial interests and complicit government officials that are undoubtedly muting any meaningful response and will continue to do so. We’re all about sticking to red lines when it comes to Russia or Iran, but when it comes to China, suddenly the corporatocracy has all the reasons in the world why we have to be flexible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Legio_Italica View Post
    Agreed. But we could certainly do more than we are. My gripe is with the financial interests and complicit government officials that are undoubtedly muting any meaningful response and will continue to do so. We’re all about sticking to red lines when it comes to Russia or Iran, but when it comes to China, suddenly the corporatocracy has all the reasons in the world why we have to be flexible.
    The US shouldn't tolerate being lectured to about social justice by corporations which yield to the CPC. My favourite example:

    Spoiler for Sony's Hypocrisy





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    Quote Originally Posted by Cope View Post
    The US shouldn't tolerate being lectured to about social justice by corporations which yield to the CPC. My favourite example:

    Spoiler for Sony's Hypocrisy


    True, it’s a dual relationship. As long as the government officials pander to extremists, commercial interests will follow suit. Likewise, as long as commercial interests are beholden to the Politburo, governmental response will be comparatively hindered.
    Of these facts there cannot be any shadow of doubt: for instance, that civil society was renovated in every part by Christian institutions; that in the strength of that renewal the human race was lifted up to better things-nay, that it was brought back from death to life, and to so excellent a life that nothing more perfect had been known before, or will come to be known in the ages that have yet to be. - Pope Leo XIII

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    The prominent activist was handed his latest sentence of 13.5 months in a small courtroom in Hong Kong’s working-class Sham Shui Po district Wednesday as efforts to quell dissent in the semiautonomous Chinese enclave escalate. This is the toughest sentence that 24-year-old Wong, who has been in and out of detention since he was a teen, has received.

    Co-defendants Ivan Lam and Agnes Chow were handed sentences of seven and 10 months respectively. For Chow, the youngest of the trio at 23 years old, this will be her first time in prison. After hanging her head low throughout most of the hearing, she finally burst into tears upon hearing the sentence. For Wong it will be his fourth stint behind bars in three years.

    Analysts see the ruling as casting a pall over the broader pro-democracy movement. “These three are widely seen as icons pushing the limits of democracy in Hong Kong in defiance of Beijing,” says Willy Lam, a political scientist at the Chinese University of Hong Kong. “Their sentencing will strike fear into the hearts of pro-democracy supporters.”

    https://time.com/5916998/joshua-wong-prison-hong-kong/
    I wasn’t able to find out which prison. If it’s on the mainland, torture and re education are almost a certainty. Pray for these kids.
    Of these facts there cannot be any shadow of doubt: for instance, that civil society was renovated in every part by Christian institutions; that in the strength of that renewal the human race was lifted up to better things-nay, that it was brought back from death to life, and to so excellent a life that nothing more perfect had been known before, or will come to be known in the ages that have yet to be. - Pope Leo XIII

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    One country, two systems is effectively over
    China drew the curtain on decades of adversarial politics in Hong Kong as the national legislature approved electoral changes that would put pro-Beijing loyalists firmly in charge of the city and squeeze opposition groups from elected office.

    Thursday’s near-unanimous vote by the National People’s Congress paves the way for China’s top lawmaking body to revamp as soon as next month how the former British colony picks its leader and legislators. The overhaul will give Beijing much greater control over local elections that were meant to be partly democratic—thanks to an effective veto against candidates deemed unpatriotic.

    “It’s the biggest regression of the system since the handover,” said Lo Kin-hei, chairman of Hong Kong’s Democratic Party, who is out on bail after his arrest last year for allegedly participating in an unauthorized assembly in late 2019. “What we’ve seen over the past year is that authorities will do whatever they want, whenever they want, in a way that was unimaginable before.”

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-a...le-11615462663
    Mass arrests continue

    About 1,000 police took part in morning raids on 72 premises across the city.
    Those held helped run an unofficial "primary" to pick opposition candidates ahead of postponed 2020 elections.
    They are accused of trying to "overthrow" the government. Activists say the new law aims to quash dissent.

    China's government imposed the legislation on the semi-autonomous territory in June, saying it was necessary to curb months of sometimes violent pro-democracy protests.
    Beijing defended Wednesday's arrests, with Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying saying they were needed to stop "external forces and individuals [colluding] to undermine China's stability and security".

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55555299
    The Hong Kong authorities charged dozens of pro-democracy figures on Sunday with violating the Chinese territory’s harsh new national security law, the latest blow to the dwindling hopes for democracy in the former British colony.

    It was the most forceful use yet of the wide-ranging security law, which has cemented Communist Party control over a territory long known for its individual freedoms, independent court system and rule of law.

    Before Sunday, only a handful of people had been formally charged with violating the security law, though about 100 have been arrested on suspicion of doing so. Those convicted of violating the law can be sentenced to life in prison.

    The police said that each of the 47 people had been charged with a single count of “conspiracy to commit subversion.” They include Benny Tai, a former University of Hong Kong law professor and leading strategist for the pro-democracy camp.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/28/w...w-arrests.html
    The Japanese government has criticised China’s tightening grip on Hong Kong, saying in a written reply to a politician’s question in its parliament, the Diet, that it “cannot tolerate mass arrests”. The government statement, issued on Wednesday, reiterated the importance of economic and personal ties between Japan and Hong Kong, adding that Tokyo had “grave concerns” at the situation in the city. In 2019, Japan was Hong Kong’s fourth largest trading partner with total trade between them that year reaching HK$373 billion.

    The statement said Japan had communicated its position to Beijing and was working with allied countries on the issue.

    The statement was issued in response to a formal request for the government to make its position on the situation in Hong Kong clear from Jin Matsubara, a former chairman of the National Public Safety Commission and presently a member of the Constitutional Democratic Party of Japan, the centre-left largest opposition party.

    https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/polit...der-hong-kongs
    Beijing moves the brave kids who put their lives on the line to defy communist invasion and defend democracy into super max prison that houses the most violent criminals.

    Chow and fellow democracy activist Joshua Wong are being classed as Category A prisoners alongside drug-traffickers and murderers.

    Authorities in Hong Kong have transferred 24-year-old democracy activist Agnes Chow to a top-security prison that places Category A prisoners convicted of violent crime in solitary confinement, according to the city's Apple Daily newspaper.

    Chow was sentenced to seven months' imprisonment in Dec. 2 after pleading guilty to charges relating to "illegal assembly" linked to protests outside Hong Kong's police headquarters on June 21, 2019.

    https://www.rfa.org/english/news/chi...021125427.html
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    i think it's a great lesson to would be participants of colour revolutions: you can break the law and riot for the benefit of reddit likes and clicks but at the end of the day, america isn't going to save you, the anglo whites aren't going to save you from being thrown into gaol or spending the rest of your youth and 20s breaking big rocks into little rocks.

    As a final step to expunge HK, the HKPF will now march in the People Approved PLA style:
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...le-of-marching
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    i think it's a great lesson to would be participants of colour revolutions: you can break the law and riot for the benefit of reddit likes and clicks but at the end of the day, america isn't going to save you, the anglo whites aren't going to save you from being thrown into gaol or spending the rest of your youth and 20s breaking big rocks into little rocks.

    As a final step to expunge HK of its anglo contamination, the HKPF will now march in the People Approved PLA style:
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...le-of-marching
    It isn't surprising China's authoritarian oligarchs are doing this. All authoritarian oligarchies must seek to crush any democracies within reach. Because they rely on fear and oppression to stay in power, they can't afford to have a nearby democracy just sitting out there as a constant reminder to the oppressed masses that another way is possible. This rival must be destroyed then to preserve the regime's power. Should this be impossible, the regime will use it's control of domestic media to censor information and disseminate propaganda about the rival, keeping the truth away from it's people as best it can.

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    White anglos keep coming back for that sweet, sweet Chinese money despite being impotent to help their agents in HK.
    https://en.mercopress.com/2021/03/13...5-year-on-year

    Bigger question should once again be asked of white anglo americans: why are your Elites more interested in investing in China than in white anglo nations?
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    https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/11/china...hnk/index.html

    Anyone else find it odd that the pope is busy shilling for the Kremlin while the Chicoms make war on the Church? Maybe the Vatican has a Cornpop problem too….
    Of these facts there cannot be any shadow of doubt: for instance, that civil society was renovated in every part by Christian institutions; that in the strength of that renewal the human race was lifted up to better things-nay, that it was brought back from death to life, and to so excellent a life that nothing more perfect had been known before, or will come to be known in the ages that have yet to be. - Pope Leo XIII

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