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    This forum should be more popular. As mentioned above, reddit - probably the most popular - is a vacuous meme fest, having driven away a lot of historical players with years of Warhammer mob mentality and downvotes. Also reddit is pretty hostile to this forum and recycles a lot of angst from 2013 to justify that. The Steam and official TW forums are festering swamps of contrarian teenage edgelords.

    I will say I was a lurker driven away from TWC by some unappealing nationalist stuff back in the days of Attila. I was really reluctant to return, but pleasantly surprised here.

    Give it time. The discussions here are pretty interesting to follow, so maybe a trickle of returning users will build to a torrent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jin- View Post
    I think the popularity is only on the China's side. Official forums are dead aswell on 3Ks part and reddit only has stupid meme posts.
    Kinda sad, since the game is great but there is not much discussions going on about it :S
    On the non official facebook group for 3K I see a lot of non Chinese people, not only other Asians but Europeans and Americans.

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    As you can see here, so few posts, and in Steam, so many people using Chinese characters, this game isn't so popular among the old total war players, but it's in China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pajomife View Post
    As you can see here, so few posts, and in Steam, so many people using Chinese characters, this game isn't so popular among the old total war players, but it's in China.
    The problem with comparing "old players" to now is that people move onto other pursuits, other platforms, they get old, have children, etc. The Steamcharts numbers are very high with this game and quite respectable in the hours when East Asia should be asleep. The TWC popularity question is different, has nothing to do with TW3K.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huberto View Post
    The TWC popularity question is different, has nothing to do with TW3K.
    Yes. Anyone who wish to discuss the popularity of TWC can post a thread about it here.
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    As I write this it's midnight in Europe and 5-6 a.m. Monday morning in China and there are 33,000 folks playing 3K according to Steamcharts.

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    I think the game is more popular than people here think. Like others said, Shogun 2 was very popular among Europeans and Americans, so why not 3K? From what I've seen it looks like a pretty interesting game, might pick it up at some point. As a European myself I'm quite interested in Chinese history.

    The reasons this site will not gain popularity because of the game is because of two things. 1. is reddit. Like it or not but most people have moved onto reddit. I do browse reddit myself (and mod a sub) and I can tell you it's an absolute fest. Subreddits are always circlejerks but they do attract the more casual people, because reddit is already a very popular site. Forums like this one are dying because of reddit. I think reddit is a terrible site but I keep coming back to it for some reason. It's easy to make a sub about 3K and just let people post their memes. Most people seem content with that, with maybe a discussion about he state of the game once in a while.

    Reason number 2 is the lack of modding in the recent titles. Like people said the recent games (3K included) are just not very moddable, unlike the older titles. The Paradox games all have huge modding communities and I can imagine many Total War players switched to those games too. (So did I). Mount and Blade is also a very moddable title, though we will have to see what Bannerlord will be like.
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    Can't y'all use better metrics for your arguments? Yes, China is a big driver to why Three Kingdoms is breaking sale records. But arguing it's not selling here in the West is your own biases.

    Why are we even using forum activity as a metric? Especially TWcenter. We're just not the same forum as we were back then. I lurked, I saw a huge drop-off in users after Rome 2. New blood matters and Reddit is absorbing most of them. Steam and the official forum is taking up the rest.

    And for those who say Reddit is a giant meme wasteland - that's argument is irrelevant, new blood is new blood, so it doesn't change the fact it is sucking away any new blood. And that argument the Official Forum is dead, checking that forum looks plenty alive with tons of new threads made just for the past morning. So I don't get where that interpretation come from unless you're measuring by the 5.5k total threads against the 32k total threads for the Warhammer 2 forum which that means you're ignoring that Warhammer 2 has been out for 1.5 years versus 1 month.

    As for better metrics, look at the Steamcharts. I'm so annoyed that I actually took the time to analyze the charts a bit. While I do have to conclude the "peak" time is markedly different from Rome 2 or Warhammer 2, the number does show Western Gamers are not just ignoring it. The peak times around Rome 2 and Warhammer is apparently 15:00 (which is 3PM EST - steamcharts does automatically display time based on your timezone). The peak time for Three Kingdoms is 10:00 AM EST (which apparently 10 PM in China), the 5 hours skewing of the peak time does probably show China. But the 15:00/3PM EST is still at ~40-50,000 users (which also means that's 3 AM China).

    Three Kingdoms - https://steamcharts.com/app/779340#7d
    Warhammer 2 -https://steamcharts.com/app/594570#All
    Rome 2 - https://steamcharts.com/app/214950#7d

    At 40-50k peak usages with a month after launch, that is in line with Rome 2 or Warhammer 2 (and all way, way higher than Thrones of Britannia) in its time.


    Western Gamers are buying this game just fine. At least at the same levels as previous Total War games. So stop arguing nobody in the West is buying this game but China is buying so much that it makes up for it and then so much it's to the point of making new sales records. It seem more we are buying at the levels we have in the past, but China is driving the game to new sales records.

    The reason why TWCenter is not reviving as much as it had in the past when a new game comes it is Reddit and other forum competing with this place. Not because the game isn't selling.

    And let me tell you one more thing. I was here back in the Rome 1 days. I remember those days. I also remember so many members back them wanted and believed the next Total War game should be China.

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    That tweet probably settles the debate. Three Kingdoms certainly owns a lot of its success to its appeal on the Chinese and Korean audience, but it has also sold exceptionally well in the West, too. Although I am not interested in Chinese history, I agree that Europe again and again and again had become a bit tiresome. I'd personally prefer Central Asia/Middle East or the Americas just when the Europeans arrived, but China is a welcome change, I suppose. Let's hope however that the game's commercial success will not convince Creative Assembly to focus all its future games exclusively on China from now on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by La♔De♔Da♔Brigadier Graham View Post
    Here is a meme I made about Rome 2, I think it rankled everyone at the time, however Three Kingdoms was working as expected from launch (apart from multiplayer lobbies missing)
    However I wont be making any "scathing" memes about 3K

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    Ah!......Rome 3 Totalwar with 3K mechanics.....now we are talking!!!!

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    I definitely expected that the sales success of TW 3 Kingdoms to translate / reverberate in the social media / forum aspect but this has not been the case for some reason. The game is solid, exceptionally beautiful in terms of art / UI, with great diplomacy and good core mechanics. I don't quite understand why it didn't catch on knowing that so many people clamoured for 3 Kingdoms ever since the sequel to Medieval 1 was announced - give or take 15 years ago!

    It's a bit surprising and confusing.
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    Not really. New games have been less and less mod friendly. And as much i do think 3 kingdoms seems a good total war game... it does seem to me a rather boring Total war game at this point.
    Unlike Warhammer II.
    Which does have a better folowing on streams and such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knight of Heaven View Post
    Not really. New games have been less and less mod friendly. And as much i do think 3 kingdoms seems a good total war game... it does seem to me a rather boring Total war game at this point.
    Unlike Warhammer II.
    Which does have a better folowing on streams and such.
    If we counted from Shogun 2 when CA officially release a mod tool, Warhammer and Warhammer 2 are the less mod friendly games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pajomife View Post
    The place and the era aren't very appealing for western people.
    I have to disagree. I've been wanting a game in this location and around this time frame for over 15 years. Game needs significant improvement in multiplayer but the single palyer side is very good overall. (Btw, I live in the Northern part of the Western Hemisphere. )
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