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    Got to thank Reddit for showing me this one here, best case name ever?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...ataar_Skeleton

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    The Victorian Court of Appeal judges just remembered they were actually meant to come to a decision with regards to Pell's appeal.

    Their judgement will be livestreamed from 9:30am Wednesday 21st of August AEST/GMT+10.
    It could be boring, and good enough to just read the newspaper reports afterwards but it could also be interesting. Unfortunately I've got a damn 9am class on at that time so I'll probably miss it.

    To reiterate, Pell was found guilty of 5 counts of committing an indecent act with or in the presence of a child under 16 committed across two occasions.
    The appeal focused on three grounds:

    Firstly, that the County Court Chief Judge should have allowed the defence to play a 19 minute video with coloured dots representing where people say they were on the first occasion. The prosecution had successfully argued that the jury might view the video as 100% accurate however.
    Secondly, that there was a fundamental procedural mistake because Pell was not asked whether he plead guilty or not in front of the jury.
    Thirdly, that the jury reached an unreasonable verdict and a finding of guilt was not open on the facts.
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    Oh yeah, have any of you heard of the Lawyer X/Nicola Gobbo debacle that has come out in the past year or so?



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    Wow that's super ed up and illegal if true. Here in the states whenever a Judge or Prosecutor is found to be corrupt it's not uncommon for all of their decisions to be vacated, which is obviously a huge deal.

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    Its confirmed that a lot of the Nicola Gobbo stuff is true. She was a lawyer for a lot of gangland figures back in the early to mid 2000s, whilst simultaneously being an informant for the police and informing on her own clients, and working with the police to get evidence on these people. One of them, Faruk Orman, was found guilty of being the getaway driver in a gangland hit back in 2002 and was sentenced to 20 years in 2007. Whilst Gobbo was representing him, she encouraged a key witness who had info against her client to testify to the police. Recently after all of this came out, he was set free on the 26th of July.

    So he served 12 years because his lawyer actively worked against him and used confidential info to encourage a key witness to give evidence against him.

    There's a royal commission ongoing that is digging up heaps of dirt, but it could mean that a lot of the early-2000s Melbourne gangland guys get out of jail, eg Tony Mokbel.



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    Yeah I can definitely see all those sentences getting overturned really quickly, especially if the government has even more dirty stuff they'd like to keep out of discovery. Stuff like this the US government likes to just settle out of court as fast as possible so they don't have to reveal anything.

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    Aaah, the good people of Australia. Selected by the finest of English judges!

    I have never seen the point in having a prison inside a prison and how can you say Australia hasn't got the death penalty, when everything there is trying to kill you?

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    The difference is that they prescribe you a specific method of death, rather than leaving it to nature to decide.

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    I'm pretty sure some people in red/black robes with white oversized wigs got really surprised: What?! They survived that?! Really?! HOW!?

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    It's like the guy who got the law switched from "being hung by the neck" to "being hung by the neck until death"

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    If anyone is still interested, the results of Cardinal Pell's appeal to the High Court will be announced on Tuesday at 10am AEST (in approx 25 and a half hours).

    Oh yeah, any of you heard of Stambovsky v Ackley? Its an American case where it was held that "as a matter of law, the house is haunted"
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    Spooky.

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    If you believe the countless american ghost TV "documentary" shows, there is a demon at least in every second doghouse.^^
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    No that's me sorry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Commissar Caligula_ View Post
    If anyone is still interested, the results of Cardinal Pell's appeal to the High Court will be announced on Tuesday at 10am AEST (in approx 25 and a half hours).
    He's been released. Can't say I'm surprised, personally. Always seemed like very flimsy evidence. It will be interesting to see how the Vatican reacts.

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    All I know is that if it was good enough for Alfred the Great it's good enough for me.
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    Why the would you subject yourselves to this?

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    That's right, Ponti. Let's rise up and throw off the shackles of the law!

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