John Cleese: London doesn't feel like an English city anymore. Legitimate to prefer some cultures over others

[Infidel144]

Another point: only 6 % Asians commit acid attacks, although 18,9 % Asians (Pakistani) live there?

Upps, racist "evil muslims running amok in London" myth busted.

Reality : Racist Fake News


2 : 0.

Following your source:
Pakistani Londoners: 2.74%
(Indian: 6.64%, Bangladeshi: 2.72%, Chinese: 1.52%, Other Asian: 4.88%).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogr...ndon#Ethnicity

So far, Whites underrepresented, Blacks (even taking your assumption that 'Black Caribbean' refers to 'Black British') over represented, Asians underrepresented (over all), but since you seem to want to divide Asians by ethnicity, you will need to find what percent of the 6% of acid attacks committed by Asians are attributable to the various groupings.

Interesting knife assaults a vastly more common and across England+wales and case who carries out most of them white people.

Why is it interesting when the population is 85% or so white?
According to the BBC (for London):
"For every 100,000 people in the capital, there were 168 knife offences in 2017-18, with separate figures, from the mayor's office, showing that young black and minority ethnic teenage boys and men were disproportionately affected, as both victims and perpetrators." (I could not find a link to the mayor's office figures).
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-42749089
While according to Fullfact:"In England and Wales 38% of knife possession offenders under 25s were non-white in 2017. It was two thirds in London."
https://fullfact.org/crime/are-major...nority-ethnic/

[Heathen Hammer]

Exactly what people said about Poles 100 years ago, just ask my great grandparents.

The disparity between early XX century England and Poland wasn't really as big as disparity between Western Europe and average African/Middle Eastern countries in both cultural, social and economic factors, so... no.

[mongrel]

Pretty much everything that was funny 20 years ago now offends ''someone'' in the catalogue of identities liberals have a fetish for. Indeed Cleese has long given up going to universities for speeches, because they are filled with libtards offended by everything, so what's the point?

The irony here is that they tried to paint him as a racist, while he lives in the Carribbeans, surrounded by black people. If he really didn't like them, he'd live in Iceland. BBC on the other hand is complete garbage. Maybe we can make a thread about their ''woke'' content.

He's a tax dodger using dodgy soundbitres to ease his conscience,no sympathy for the old fart.

[Cyclops]

Old man yells at dark cloud? "Its not like it was when I was young". He used to mock what he has become.

Also great work OP, somehow joining architectural criticism to penises and a grumpy old man. 0/10 worthless thread.

[Ludicus]

@Basil,
London, the proud capital of the UK, is a cosmopolitan city, a multi-ethnicity city of global significance. You can't live inside a medieval castle, isolated from the outside world.Furthermore,the physical texture of our lives is profoundly shaped by trade. Today I'm wearing shoes made here, in Portugal, a sweater made in Sri Lanka, a shirt made in Mauritius, and my pants were made in Mexico. I'm drinking a coffee grown in Central America. My laptop comes from Malaysia.My car,though Japanese, was built in Canada of parts assembled from the four corners of the world. Goods rarely travel by themselves,commodities are cultural "sticky", people and ideas almost inevitable accompany them. Ideas travel too.
Recommended reading:Connections: Key Themes in World History, "Trading Tastes, Commodity and Cultural exchange", Erik Gilbert, Jonathan T.Reynolds.
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In fact,Majority of Britons are proud of London as a capital city

The majority of people in Britain have pride in London as a capital city according to the latest poll conducted for the Mile End Institute at Queen Mary University of London.

[Basil II the B.S]

You don't need to eradicate your cultural identity to open up to international trade. The Chinese have got it right: the best approach towards globalization is like a window: you want to keep it open for fresh hair, but you also want a mosquito screen to keep the bugs out. That's why the win anyway. Cosmopolitan Western cities have all the same problems: suburbs ridden with crime, huge class disparity and no inbetween, homelessness widespread, pollution, inefficient transport.

[Ludicus]

You don't need to eradicate your cultural identity to open up to ...

In some countries there is a positive relationship between identification with the country and support for immigration and multiculturalism. In other countries there is a negative relationship. Tolstoy's anti-patriotic essays and MacIntyre's communitarian patriotism are equally wrong.In other words- in my opinion- there is no incompatibility between moral universalism and a patriotic concern for one's own country.
Multicultural patriotism is not about excluding people. That's what patriotism is about.
On the one hand, national identity must generate a patriotic solidarity but not on the other hand be so extreme as to encourage ethnocentrism and prejudice target to minority groups.

[Basil II the B.S]

That's just cosmopolitanism, which in practice translates to no patriotism at all whatsoever, since it's always paired with support for supra-national, anti-democratic institutions. It's elitist tribalism.

[conon394]

You don't need to eradicate your cultural identity to open up to international trade. The Chinese have got it right: the best approach towards globalization is like a window: you want to keep it open for fresh hair, but you also want a mosquito screen to keep the bugs out. That's why the win anyway. Cosmopolitan Western cities have all the same problems: suburbs ridden with crime, huge class disparity and no inbetween, homelessness widespread, pollution, inefficient transport.

And you don't believe Chinese cites have those problems?

Class disparity -check
Pollution - check and double check
Transportation gridlock - check
Homelessness - sort of check my understanding they get rounded up the police more or less and dealt with so I guess not.
Crime - check, but the benefits and authoritarian oligarchy government mean you can falsify stats

https://world.wng.org/2018/10/the_pu...ow_crime_rates

Suburbs - well actually better empty cities i suppose being empty they are not riddled with crime

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapo.../#246d70902e7b

[Heathen Hammer]

So basically the only thing that makes Western neoliberal regimes better then Chinese regime is freedom of speech and democracy... which is something "progressives" see as a threat and want to do away with by any means necessary, which is clearly the point. At least Chinese government is somewhat patriotic and its authoritarianism stems from defensive patriotism, as opposed to neoliberal authoritarians who actively hate and seek to repress their own population and sell off their nation out to highest bidder.

[Papay]

London a great city. Just like other western capitals like Paris or Rome, it is one of the biggest tourist magnets in the world. People like Nigel Farage want to destroy the importance of these cities and downgrade them to unimportant local capitals

[Heathen Hammer]

London a great city. Just like other western capitals like Paris or Rome, it is one of the biggest tourist magnets in the world. People like Nigel Farage want to destroy the importance of these cities and downgrade them to unimportant local capitals

it is safe to say that people like islamist sympathizer Sadiq Khan are the ones trying to destroy it, while Nigel Farrage just wants to salvage what's left.

[TheLeft]

it is safe to say that people like islamist sympathizer Sadiq Khan are the ones trying to destroy it, while Nigel Farrage just wants to salvage what's left.

As a born and bred Londoner, I can safely say your post is utter drivel.

Firstly, I'll ignore the fact that your knowledge and grasp of the situation is so poor that you can't even spell Farage correctly. But if you did decide to inform yourself, you'd know that London firmly rejected Farage's brand of bigotry and racism at the recent Euro elections. My fellow Londoners and I decided that a party whose very few policies include 'curing gay people' and privatising the NHS has no place representing a cosmopolitan city.

Secondly, rather than casually dropping in ludicrous unverified and unsubstantiated slurs like 'islamist sympathiser' (all parroted from various far-right blogs I suspect), perhaps you'd like to provide some evidence for your spurious claims?

[Papay]

it is safe to say that people like islamist sympathizer Sadiq Khan are the ones trying to destroy it, while Nigel Farrage just wants to salvage what's left.

Nigel Farage wants to transform London from a global mega-city, to an unimportant local capital. But hey at least you wont see as many "muzzies" and "negro" people right? Now if we managed to make all Londoners blonde that would be awesome

[Ludicus]

That's just cosmopolitanism, it's always paired with support for supra-national, anti-democratic institutions. It's elitist tribalism.

I'm afraid you're wrong. There is nothing wrong with a post-tribal world. We are trying trying to avoid the Tribalist trap: "us versus them" In fact, tribalism remains a powerful force- for example, whites in the heartland-propelled Trump to the White House.
Moderate patriotism (previous post) seeks to solve the reconciliation problem by simultaneously rejecting a blind global universalism as well the excessive, fanatical, xenophobic, racist partiality of extreme, unhealthy patriotism.
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An interesting article,
How tribal thinking has left us in a post-truth world - The Conversation
Professor Rob Brooks is Director of the Evolution and Ecology Research Centre and the Academic Lead of the UNSW’s Grand Challenges Program.

As we seek to lead and elevate debate on the most important issues facing society, such as climate change, refugees and migration and inequality, I discern a common thread. That is, the triumph of tribal conviction over knowledge.

[Basil II the B.S]

https://www.researchgate.net/publica...s_Human_Nature

Tribalism is inescapable. Let's not start committing the usual mistakes of wanting a perfect world that other ideologies commit all the time. Humans are not exclusively atomistic individuals, nor exclusively solidarity bound. There's a fair difference between: ''let's avoid that tribalism ends up in warfare'' and ''let's get rid of tribalism all together''.

This is from ''The Coddling of the American mind'':

There’s a famous series of experiments in social psychology called the minimal group paradigm, pioneered by Polish psychologist Henri Tajfel, who served in the French Army during World War II and became a prisoner of war in Germany. Profoundly affected by his experiences as a Jew during that period in Europe, including having his entire family in Poland murdered by the Nazis, Tajfel wanted to understand the conditions under which people would discriminate against members of an outgroup. So in the 1960s he conducted a series of experiments, each of which began by dividing people into two groups based on trivial and arbitrary criteria, such as flipping a coin. For example, in one study, each person first estimated the number of dots on a page. Irrespective of their estimations, half were told that they had overestimated the number of dots and were put into a group of “overestimators.” The other half were sent to the “underestimators” group. Next, subjects were asked to distribute points or money to all the other subjects, who were identified only by their group membership. Tajfel found that no matter how trivial or “minimal” he made the distinctions between the groups, people tended to distribute whatever was offered in favor of their in-group members.²⁶

Later studies have used a variety of techniques to reach the same conclusion.²⁷ Neuroscientist David Eagleman used functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) to examine the brains of people who were watching videos of other people’s hands getting pricked by a needle or touched by a Q-tip. When the hand being pricked by a needle was labeled with the participant’s own religion, the area of the participant’s brain that handles pain showed a larger spike of activity than when the hand was labeled with a different religion. When arbitrary groups were created (such as by flipping a coin) immediately before the subject entered the MRI machine, and the hand being pricked was labeled as belonging to the same arbitrary group as the participant, even though the group hadn’t even existed just moments earlier, the participant’s brain still showed a larger spike.²⁸ We just don’t feel as much empathy for those we see as “other.”

Tl;dr: even if you eradicated human history and group differences, ranging from religion to ethnicity, humans would still find ways to divide themselves among groups in complitely arbitrary ways and would still favour people within their group .

The greatest success of the modern world has been relegating tribalism to sports events, so that people can celebrate their identity, compete, without resorting to killing each other. Now that is being undone by people who felt that was not good enough and we need yet another ''ideal'' world.

[Bob69Joe]

Oh, look, our human-only world is covered in ruins.
One billion birds killed by skyscrapers in America:
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ce=amerika.org

[sumskilz]

Oh, look, our human-only world is covered in ruins.
One billion birds killed by skyscrapers in America:
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ce=amerika.org

Don't fool yourself, those birds would kill you and everyone you care about if given half a chance. It's either us or them.

[Heathen Hammer]

Nigel Farage wants to transform London from a global mega-city, to an unimportant local capital. But hey at least you wont see as many "muzzies" and "negro" people right? Now if we managed to make all Londoners blonde that would be awesome

London is not a global mega-city. It is becoming more like Detroit, if anything, at least under current unprofessional leadership.
I think you might want to to look beyond anti-Brexit media for information. Definitely avoid BBC, CNN and other heavily one-sided agencies when you look for information.

[mongrel]

London is not a global mega-city. It is becoming more like Detroit, if anything, at least under current unprofessional leadership.
I think you might want to to look beyond anti-Brexit media for information. Definitely avoid BBC, CNN and other heavily one-sided agencies when you look for information.

One should stop treating this forum as some retirement home for morons.* The above picture alone stomps on your comment.

There ought to be rule in TOS for people who deliberately post counter-factual arguments.


* Disclaimer this view is my own and does not imply 'ownership' of the thread.