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    RIAS has only two centers in Germany, one in Berlin, one in Bavaria.

    These two centers investigate antisemitic crimes only in Berlin and Bavaria.

    In January 2015, the “Association for a Democratic Culture in Berlin” (VDK e.V.) founded the “Department for Research and Information on Antisemitism Berlin” (RIAS Berlin). Alongside Jewish and non-Jewish organizations, RIAS Berlin has built up a Berlin-wide network for reporting antisemitic incidents.

    https://report-antisemitism.de/#/en/about

    Die Recherche- und Informationsstelle Antisemitismus Bayern (RIAS Bayern) nimmt Meldungen über antisemitische Vorfälle auf und unterstützt Betroffene von Antisemitismus in Bayern. (The Research and Information Center Antisemitism Bavaria (RIAS Bayern) records reports of anti-Semitic incidents and supports those affected by anti-Semitism in Bavaria.)


    https://report-antisemitism.de/#/bayern/de/about

    So their numbers are only relevant for the federal states of Berlin and Bavaria. I already have explained, why Berlin is a special case.

    RIAS is not the german jewish community and your cited jewish newspaper is also known as Arutz Sheva:

    Arutz Sheva (Hebrew: ערוץ 7, lit. Channel 7), also known in English as Israel National News, is an Israeli media network identifying with Religious Zionism.

    Arutz Sheva sees itself as a counterbalance to " 'negative thinking' and 'post-Zionist' attitudes."[12] It has been identified with the Israeli settlement movement.[5]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arutz_Sheva#Political_stance


    So obviously a newspaper with an not neutral stance to muslims or arabs.

    So still:

    9 of 10 antisemitic hate crimes are committed by biogerman white thrash far rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clodia_Metelli View Post
    RIAS has only two centers in Germany, one in Berlin, one in Bavaria.

    These two centers investigate antisemitic crimes only in Berlin and Bavaria.

    In January 2015, the “Association for a Democratic Culture in Berlin” (VDK e.V.) founded the “Department for Research and Information on Antisemitism Berlin” (RIAS Berlin). Alongside Jewish and non-Jewish organizations, RIAS Berlin has built up a Berlin-wide network for reporting antisemitic incidents.

    https://report-antisemitism.de/#/en/about

    Die Recherche- und Informationsstelle Antisemitismus Bayern (RIAS Bayern) nimmt Meldungen über antisemitische Vorfälle auf und unterstützt Betroffene von Antisemitismus in Bayern. (The Research and Information Center Antisemitism Bavaria (RIAS Bayern) records reports of anti-Semitic incidents and supports those affected by anti-Semitism in Bavaria.)


    https://report-antisemitism.de/#/bayern/de/about

    So their numbers are only relevant for the federal states of Berlin and Bavaria. I already have explained, why Berlin is a special case.

    RIAS is not the german jewish community and your cited jewish newspaper is also known as Arutz Sheva:

    Arutz Sheva (Hebrew: ערוץ 7, lit. Channel 7), also known in English as Israel National News, is an Israeli media network identifying with Religious Zionism.

    Arutz Sheva sees itself as a counterbalance to " 'negative thinking' and 'post-Zionist' attitudes."[12] It has been identified with the Israeli settlement movement.[5]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arutz_Sheva#Political_stance


    So obviously a newspaper with an not neutral stance to muslims or arabs.

    So still:

    9 of 10 antisemitic hate crimes are committed by biogerman white thrash far rights.
    Who cares? They are not immigrants so we dont need to blame them

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    My cited jewish newspaper was the New York Times
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aexodus View Post
    The Jewish community questions those very statistics.
    I see, the Germany’s commissioner on antisemitism is a liar and the German official statistics are fake.

    Who is Felix Klein Federal Government Commissioner for Jewish Life in Germany and ...
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    According to the Association of Counselling Centres for victims of right-wing, racist and anti-Semitic violence , the attacks in 2018 were aimed at a total of 1,789 people, of which more than 250 were children and young people. The VBRG said it amounts to around five people becoming victims of far-right motivated, racist and anti-Semitic terror every day. Five people victims of far-right hate crimes in east Germany every day ...

    Quote Originally Posted by nhytgbvfeco2 View Post
    Or how victims have stated that in at least 41% of attacks the perpetrator had "Muslim extremist views"?
    European Union Agency for Human Rights. Page 54, Quoting, "70 % of the respondents in the 12 countries indicate concern for increasing intolerance against Muslims over the past five years".
    To sum up, perceptions. For example,
    “Nowadays, antisemitism is unfortunately mostly present in Muslim and left-wing circles. Sure, right-wing hatred against Jews exists as well, that’s not a question.” (Man, 25–29 years old, Germany)
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    This being said, it's good to see that you have fallen in love with the European Agency of Human Rights. en (3.5 MB)
    Chapter- Hate speech and violent crime. Quoting, excerpt,

    Germany
    During the fourth quarter of 2018, the police in Germany registered 31 incidents where a reception centre for asylum seekers was either the target or the scene of a hate crime incident. 29 of these hate crimes had a right-wing political background.
    During the same time period, there were 271 politically motivated offences targeting asylum seekers and refugees outside of reception centres. 263 of these offences were connected to a right-wing political background. In 2018, 315 individuals were injured as a consequence of violence in or against reception centres for asylum seekers; 14 were children. According to “Courage against right-wing violence”, an alliance formed by several anti-racism and anti-discrimination actors, five attacks on asylum seekers and one attack on a reception centre for asylum seekers, resulting in nine cases of bodily injury, occurred in Germany between 1 January and 8 March 2019
    Full report, Greece, Italy, Hungary, Spain, Belgium,

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    In Greece,
    some 70 local residents in March attacked a hotel in Vilia (wider Attica region) where refugee families were sheltered in the context of a program implemented by the International Organization for Migration, media reported. The municipal council had previously adopted a decision banning the hosting of refugees in the area. The crowd protested outside the hotel and then started throwing stones, breaking the entrance’s window. The NGO ‘Racist Crimes Watch’ filed a report against racist violence with the local police, asking for the initiation of criminal proceedings against the participants. The Prosecutor of the Supreme Court also ordered preliminary investigations into whether charges of racism can be brought in connection with this incident, the media reported.
    Also in Greece, in mid-March, a group of hooded offenders attacked unaccompanied children hosted in Konitsa (in Epirus, near the Albanian border) at a facility run by the Association for the Social Support of Youth (ARSIS) while 33 32 the children were playing basketball. One of the children was taken to hospital for first aid. When the children went to the local police station to denounce the attack, they were mocked, according to ARSIS. One day later in Athens, a group of 7 or 8 individuals attacked and beat up an interpreter for the Greek Council for Refugees, a recognised refugee, the NGO ‘Racist Violence Recoding Network’ reported.

    The media and NGOs reported numerous hate crime incidents in Italy.

    The Child Neuropsychiatric Service of the Local Health Authority (Azienda sanitaria locale, ASL) of Bolzano (Trentino-Alto Adige/Südtirol), required secondary-school teachers to fill in a form asking about the racial group of their students. The teachers refused to reply to this specific question, and reported the incident to the local newspaper. The media reported that, on the wall of the house of a family with an adopted child of Senegalese origins in Milan, unknown perpetrators wrote that the “” should be killed and sprayed a Nazi symbol. The press also reported that a primary-school teacher in Foligno (Umbria) had forced a black pupil to stand with his back turned to his classmates, and described him as “too ugly to be looked at in the face”. Nobody intervened when a 47-year-old Ivorian woman working in the catering industry was violently attacked in Bari (Apulia). The ‘Alterego – Fabbrica dei diritti’ association reported a number of episodes of racial profiling in Rome’s public transport network. According to witnesses, police officers more and more often get on public buses to conduct checks only of dark-skinned passengers. A black Italian lawyer reported that, while standing in the line for EU citizens at passport control at the airport in Rome, an employee of the security service repeatedly told her to move to the line for non-EU citizens, as – considering the colour of her skin – she could not be an EU citizen. A 44-year-old white Italian man attacked a woman of African origin in the main square of Parioli, a rich district of Rome, as she was holding two small children. The man tried to make her fall and then, while shouting at her “Black woman, get out”, kicked and punched her face and buttocks. The intervention of an off duty policeman saved the woman and the children. The man was arrested by the police and charged with racial discrimination, outrage, violence and threats to a public official and refusal to provide indications on his identity, according to La Repubblica.

    In Hungary,
    anti-migrant rhetoric prevails in the European Parliament elections campaign. The Prime Minister stressed that “pro-immigration forces led by George Soros” aimed to turn Europe into a coalition of “immigrant nations” with “mixed populations”. He positioned himself and the Hungarian government as the leaders of the movement for “no-mixed nations” in Europe.

    Also in Hungary, in the context of the campaign for the municipal elections later this year, the mayor of Kunszentmárton (a town in the south-eastern part of the country) stressed in a citizens’ forum that “migrants can only come to Kunszentmárton through my body”, according to media reports. Local policemen near the border police station in Cetingrad, Croatia forced migrants sitting on the floor next to a police patrol car to shout the name of Zagreb’s football club as well as the Nazi-fascist regime’s salute “Ready for the Homeland”, as a video published on various media sources revealed. Disciplinary procedures were initiated against the policemen. In an answer to a parliamentary question in Austria, the Federal Minister of Constitutional Affairs, Reforms, Deregulation and Justice reported that Austria does not systematically collect statistical data of criminal acts with right-wing, 35 34 racist, anti-Semitic, Islamophobic and/or xenophobic background.

    The only data the ministry could provide was that 1,005 criminal proceeding concerning hate speech (Verhetzung) and 1,328 criminal proceeding concerning the law banning National Socialist activities (Verbotsgesetz) were initiated in 2018. Between 1 January and 31 March 2019, the Antidiscrimination Office Styria documented 28 islamophobic insults (in particular against women wearing headscarves); 11 insults based on ethnicity, and seven on skin colour; as well as five bodily attacks (one based on ethnicity, four on religion) in the region of Styria. According to a study on legal awareness and equal treatment published by the Ombudsman in Poland, some of the most common grounds of discrimination were race, ethnicity or nationality, with Muslims being amongst the least tolerated groups in the country.

    In Spain,
    according to a media report, a group of neighbours in the municipality of Canet de Mar in Catalonia staged a public protest in front of a youth centre hosting unaccompanied children in government custody, accusing them of delinquency in the municipality. Five days after the event, a man holding a large knife reportedly entered the same centre. Some days later, the media reported that 35 hooded young persons threw stones at a centre in Castelldefells hosting unaccompanied migrant children, injuring two staff members and one child, who had to be hospitalised. These events have caused concern among civil society organisations, which have stressed that these attacks are unprecedented and show a rise of racism towards unaccompanied children in the region. Eight train security guards at Plaza Catalunya metro station in Barcelona beat a young migrant who did not have a ticket and pushed him to the ground, the media reported. The rail operator Renfe has taken the eight officers off duty and has opened an investigation into the case.

    During the fourth quarter of 2018, the police in Germany registered 31 incidents where a reception centre for asylum seekers was either the target or the scene of a hate crime incident. 29 of these hate crimes had a right-wing political background. During the same time period, there were 271 politically motivated offences targeting asylum seekers and refugees outside of reception centres. 263 of these offences were connected to a right-wing political background. In 2018, 315 individuals were injured as a consequence of violence in or against reception centres for asylum seekers; 14 were children. According to “Courage against right-wing violence”, an alliance formed by several anti-racism and anti-discrimination actors, five attacks on asylum seekers and one attack on a reception centre for asylum seekers, resulting in nine cases of bodily injury, occurred in Germany between 1 January and 8 March 2019.

    In Belgium,
    the Centre for Equal Opportunities and Opposition to Racism received complaints regarding anti-immigration posts on the Facebook page of the political party Vlaams Belang. In one of the posts, the party called for a radical change in policy to stop immigration to protect Belgian people. In another one, the party shared a link to a news article reporting on a young woman who was assaulted by a foreign bus driver, saying: “Criminal foreigners do NOT belong here anymore! A normal society protects its citizens and we want to ensure that. Time for a HARD approach.” After receiving the complaints, all posts were removed from the party’s Facebook page.


    And again, repeat after me:in Germany, nine of ten anti-semitic crimes are committed by the far right.

    I couldn't help but notice a quite self evident thing: nowadays, a rising number of persons in a gray zone between conservatism and right-wing extremism are denying/trivializing the Holocaust. Even here...curiously, lovers of Israel's right wing government.
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    https://www.twcenter.net/forums/show...1#post15790739

    Obviously not NYT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clodia_Metelli View Post
    Obviously not NYT.
    The New York Times from the OP:

    Police statistics attribute 89 percent of all anti-Semitic crimes to right-wing extremists, but Jewish community leaders dispute that statistic, and many German Jews perceive the nature of the threat to be far more varied. Slightly more than half of Germany’s Jewish respondents to the E.U. survey said they have directly experienced anti-Semitic harassment within the last five years, and of those, the plurality, 41 percent, perceived the perpetrator of the most serious incident to be “someone with a Muslim extremist view.”
    Quote Originally Posted by Enros View Post
    You don't seem to be familiar with how the burden of proof works in when discussing social justice. It's not like science where it lies on the one making the claim. If someone claims to be oppressed, they don't have to prove it.


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    There's obviously a lot going on in Germany, the presence of so many muslims, and the recent (historically speaking) establishment of Israel (plus the gameplaying by Powers and Great Powers around that event) means there's raw wounds there. There's also old fashioned outgroup bigotry, as well as edgy idiot neckbeard neoFacism (these guys are very poor at reproducing or even articulating their ideology so I suspect this will be a short lived phenomenon).

    When resources become scarce the scapegoats get a whipping. Recent events by US elites deliberately crashing the world economy (and taxpayers footing the bill) has seen a lot of wealth concentrated in even fewer hands than usual. Must be the fault of both the muslim immigrants and refugees, but also the Jews. Evenb when they go after a Billionaire like Soros the scapegoaters do it because "he's a Jew" not because he's a capitalist enslaving governments and peoples.

    Quote Originally Posted by sumskilz View Post
    ...I figured almost everyone who is Jewish knows there are places you should hide any visible indication of Jewishness, unless you are actually looking for trouble to make a point....
    This makes me sad. Its been the work of the liberal tradition to remove old hatred such as the prejudice against Jews. FWIW the only places you might feel like that in Australia would be the places where one group has staked a claim eg certain Aboriginal ghettos where outsiders are harrassed, or some ethnic based gangs try to police territory and all "others" are targeted.

    An old mate of mine once shocked me by saying "the Jews make it easy to hate them". I was a young bloke and I took it as a slur on my Jewish relatives, but he was being a smartarse. The point he was making was Jews are a persistent identifiable group, who to various degrees differentiate themselves from others in their societies (they've also had differentiation imposed, silly hats in Medieval Europe etc). He made the same point about dark skinned people and racism, they are easily identifiable, there's simply no confusion, so when the elite need a scapegoat, there are some easily labelled groups ready to hand.

    Its a shame that a persistent culture is subject to a such a long tradition of persecution. Its a shame that a great society and culture like Germany harbours the seeds of this pestilential tradition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    He made the same point about dark skinned people and racism, they are easily identifiable, there's simply no confusion, so when the elite need a scapegoat, there are some easily labelled groups ready to hand.
    I can usually tell if someone is Ashkenazi by physical features, but I don't think it's as obvious to people who aren't Ashkenazi. In the US anyway. I've had Ashkenazi people from the Ukraine tell me that they are a very visible minority there. I had a funny run in with a Somali guy once. He came up to me and was talking to me like he knew me, and then he started asking me questions like he thought I was a Muslim. After awhile, I just answered one of his questions with, "I don't know, I'm not a Muslim". And he responded, "But haven't I seen you at the Masjid?" I was like "Uh... no". Then he was even more confused, and he asked "But you are Afghani right?" That I was not expecting.
    Quote Originally Posted by Enros View Post
    You don't seem to be familiar with how the burden of proof works in when discussing social justice. It's not like science where it lies on the one making the claim. If someone claims to be oppressed, they don't have to prove it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Clodia_Metelli View Post
    9 of 10 antisemitic hate crimes are committed by biogerman white thrash far rights.
    That seems pretty doubtful.

    The New German Anti-Semitism - New York Times

    The rise of anti-Semitic acts, Klein told me, was not just a matter of rising hate but a rising willingness to express it. This was because of social media, he said, as well as the A.f.D. and its “brutalization” of the political discourse. There are also the challenges that are caused by anti-Semitism from Muslims, he said, though, he added, according to criminal statistics, this was not the main problem.

    Klein was citing the federal statistic that attributed a vast majority of anti-Semitic crimes in Germany to right-wing extremists, the one that many Jewish community leaders disputed. I asked Klein if he thought the statistic was reliable. He acknowledged that, in fact, the methodology was flawed: When it was unclear who the perpetrators were, they were automatically classified as right-wing extremists. “I’ve already started the discussion within the government to change that,” he said.

    He added that the existing statistics should not be used as a pretext “to avoid a discussion regarding anti-Semitism from Muslims.” I asked him if there was any fear that such a conversation would raise tensions between minority groups instead of protecting them. “I think there is a fear,” he said. “This is why I think the right strategy is to denounce any form of anti-Semitism, regardless of the numbers. I don’t want to start a discussion about which one is more problematic or more dangerous than the other.”
    After Feinberg spoke, the head of RIAS, Benjamin Steinitz, said that the organization had documented well over 3,000 anti-Semitic incidents since it was founded. One reporter asked Steinitz who was perpetrating the physical attacks: “Are they totally normal citizens? Or are they right- wing extremists?” Steinitz said that from descriptions provided by victims, there appeared to be a difference between big cities and rural areas. In metropolises, perpetrators often came from an “Islamist milieu or a milieu that is based on a left-wing, anti-Israel ideology.” In rural areas and small cities, he added, “it is clearly different.”

    A RIAS report released in April illustrated the complexity of the problem. When researchers looked at all reported anti-Semitic incidents — including threats, harassment and targeted vandalism — in Berlin in 2018, they were unable to determine the ideological motivation in nearly half the cases. They could attribute 18 percent of the incidents to right-wing extremists, making it the largest known group, but with such a large proportion of missing information, the numbers were hardly conclusive about which views predominated. The political motivations of violent attackers were even harder to parse. Of 46 reported anti-Semitic attacks in Berlin in 2018, RIAS could identify the ideological motivation of the perpetrators in just 19 cases. Five attacks were carried out by people espousing a “left-wing anti-imperialist” view; five attacks were classified as “conspiracy-ideological” in nature; four were classified as “Israel-hostile”; two as “Islamist”; two others as “right-wing extremist”; one attack was attributed to a “political middle” worldview.
    Anti-Semites are a very diverse bunch, because anti-Semitism is more than a simple prejudice toward an ethnic or religious group; it's ultimately a form of scapegoating. Anti-Semitism can take highly intellectual and sophisticated forms, but deep down it's fundamentally a very primal way of diverting blame away from the self, and onto a scapegoat. Why blame yourself for your own problems when you can unleash your ressentiment on someone else? Sartre once said that if the Jew didn't exist, the anti-Semite would have to invent him.

    This is all very old news.

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    I guess those protesters five years ago were also classified as "right wingers", since they were chanting in German after all:

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    Look at all those German flags.

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    Again, Berlin is a special case.
    The Regions, where you have most antisemitic sentiment and Violence are those with sparse muslim population (e.g. Rural Germany).

    Maybe I should get myself a kippa and walk through Görlitz, or Meißen or Erfurt? All those bald headed muslims with Swastika Tattoos there won`t like it I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morifea View Post
    Again, Berlin is a special case.
    The Regions, where you have most antisemitic sentiment and Violence are those with sparse muslim population (e.g. Rural Germany).

    Maybe I should get myself a kippa and walk through Görlitz, or Meißen or Erfurt? All those bald headed muslims with Swastika Tattoos there won`t like it I think.
    Orthodox Jews don't live in rural Germany. The largest Jewish community in Germany is in Berlin. The only other large Jewish communities are in Frankfurt and Munich. Orthodox Jews would be the only Jews who wear kippahs in their daily life.

    Orthodox Jews also wouldn't live anywhere that is not within walking distance from a mikveh. The only mikvehs in Germany are in the following locations:

    Berlin
    Cologne
    Dortmund
    Frankfurt
    Hamburg
    Hanover
    Heidelberg
    Krefeld
    Leipzig
    Munich
    Nuremberg
    Osnabrück
    Stuttgart
    Ulm
    Wurzburg

    Berlin is the only city that has two. Since I recognize most of those names, I assume they are mostly cities. I'm sure Germans would know much better the local culture and political climate of each.
    Quote Originally Posted by Enros View Post
    You don't seem to be familiar with how the burden of proof works in when discussing social justice. It's not like science where it lies on the one making the claim. If someone claims to be oppressed, they don't have to prove it.


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    @sumskilz: Thank you for explaining, have some rep. In pre-Nazi times many small towns had their own mikveh... loss can`t describe it

    I know, anecdotes suck, but I`ve made the experience that germans (again, from rural regions, don`t know in Cities) are more openly hostile against jews than the muslims i know (Palestines mostly).
    Maybe those muslims are acting different in their own community and more carefully when there is a German closeby?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morifea View Post
    I know, anecdotes suck, but I`ve made the experience that germans (again, from rural regions, don`t know in Cities) are more openly hostile against jews than the muslims i know (Palestines mostly).
    Maybe those muslims are acting different in their own community and more carefully when there is a German closeby?
    I understand Arabic a little bit, so I know what is typically said in Arabic vs what is said in English can vary. That said, I have neutral to positive interactions with people who identify as Palestinians all the time. I remember seeing another Pew Research poll that found that only about half of Israeli Arabs had a negative opinion of Jews. Normally you wouldn’t say "only half" as if that was low, but it actually was one of the least negative views of Jews from any predominately Muslim Arab population, and these are people who usually identify as Palestinian. So the surrounding culture and personal interaction with people as individuals obviously makes a difference.

    I wouldn’t know anything about rural Germans, but I did notice in the poll I posted earlier, that 26% of Germans had a negative opinion of Jews. Even if all the Muslim people in Germany had a negative opinion of Jews, then there would still be four times as many non-Muslim Germans with a negative opinion of Jews. Of course, there is a gap between opinion and actually committing a crime based on it. A reasonable person realizes that the percentage of the total of any group who actually commits a crime is small compared to the total itself, but then that doesn’t mean there is no reason to be concerned about it. If only 10% of the antisemitic crimes came from a demographic that constitutes less than 6% of the population, that would still be an indication of an issue. Although I don't see any reason to disbelieve the impression of Jews from the EU survey, at least when it comes to harassment. I also think that if your government is indeed engaging in sophistry in order to try to prevent negative opinions about immigrants, they may be doing more harm than good. If the government statistics are suspect, then it allows people to easily imagine what the truth is on their own.
    Quote Originally Posted by Enros View Post
    You don't seem to be familiar with how the burden of proof works in when discussing social justice. It's not like science where it lies on the one making the claim. If someone claims to be oppressed, they don't have to prove it.


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    Back to the topic: "German Jews warned against wearing kippah in public"
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    Food for thought.
    Let's keep in mind that EU Court allows companies to ban headscarves.
    1 -The Court of Justice of the European Union (CJEU) that interprets EU law issued a landmark judgment on March 14 that upheld the right of private companies in EU member countries to enact policies barring employees from wearing "religious, political and philosophical signs" in the interest of "neutrality" Such visible signs range from Jewish kippahs to Sikh turbans and Hindu bindis.

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    In 2004, France banned the headscarf and all conspicuous religious "symbols" in public schools.

    3- Decathlon -France's biggest sports retailer- was forced to abandon the plans Decathlon's plan to sell "running hijabs" – head-coverings which allow Muslim women to take part in outdoor sports.Why should it be controversial for a French sports shop to sell a "hijab de running" ?
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    Have a good laugh...according to the Islamophobe Marine Le Pen, French Jews should "sacrifice" the freedom to wear a kippah in public in favor of the fight against "radical" Islam.
    Oh dear.
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    Kippah is good, headscarf is evil,
    French public schools reminded to enforce kippah, headscarf ban
    The French Education Ministry sent out a circular reminding teachers that wearing religious symbols in public schools is illegal and urging them to punish noncompliant students.
    ....Meyer Habib, a lawmaker in the lower house of the French parliament and a former vice president of the CRIF...urged selective enforcement of the regulations. Jewish symbols must not be treated the same as characteristics of radical Islam"
    Meyer Habib is a French-Israeli politician.
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    And again, make no mistake:Far Right, by its own nature, is intrinsically racist.The Haaretz is right
    Far right parties in Austria and Germany are making anti-Semitism Acceptable Again

    For a Europe of Fatherlands.




    Obviously, Jews are not included.
    Last edited by Ludicus; May 31, 2019 at 04:37 PM.
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    Default Re: German Jews warned against wearing kippah in public.

    What is the AFD doing that is anti semitic.

    France has it wrong. That is not secularism, that is state atheism. I actually think people should be allowed to wear burqas in public. Niqabs and burqas are the consequence of France’s recent demographic changes. If people don’t like that, then don’t being people in who you don’t even want to be able to express themselves.
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    Default Re: German Jews warned against wearing kippah in public.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ludicus View Post
    Back to the topic: "German Jews warned against wearing kippah in public"
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    Food for thought.
    Let's keep in mind that EU Court allows companies to ban headscarves.
    1 -The Court of Justice of the European Union (CJEU) that interprets EU law issued a landmark judgment on March 14 that upheld the right of private companies in EU member countries to enact policies barring employees from wearing "religious, political and philosophical signs" in the interest of "neutrality" Such visible signs range from Jewish kippahs to Sikh turbans and Hindu bindis.

    2-
    In 2004, France banned the headscarf and all conspicuous religious "symbols" in public schools.

    3- Decathlon -France's biggest sports retailer- was forced to abandon the plans Decathlon's plan to sell "running hijabs" – head-coverings which allow Muslim women to take part in outdoor sports.Why should it be controversial for a French sports shop to sell a "hijab de running" ?
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    Have a good laugh...according to the Islamophobe Marine Le Pen, French Jews should "sacrifice" the freedom to wear a kippah in public in favor of the fight against "radical" Islam.
    Oh dear.
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    Kippah is good, headscarf is evil,
    French public schools reminded to enforce kippah, headscarf ban

    Meyer Habib is a French-Israeli politician.
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    And again, make no mistake:Far Right, by its own nature, is intrinsically racist.The Haaretz is right
    Far right parties in Austria and Germany are making anti-Semitism Acceptable Again

    For a Europe of Fatherlands.




    Obviously, Jews are not included.
    Those allegations are rubbish of course. The AfD is a new party in Germany that absorbs too many voters for the established parties to be comfortable with (surprisingly, most of the AfD voters come from the left wing). So the rest of the parties jump on them and spam them with allegations like you are presenting. They may be right-wing, but they are certainly not near the NSdAP or any other movement close to National Socialism. There are Jewish AfD members as well as Turkish members. In fact the Jews in the AfD have their own platform and they resist the BS https://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschl...fd-vera-kosova

    I don't understand as a German that, after all the progress that has been made since ww2, that German nationalism is still feared so much. There is no way that Germany can ever rise again as a threat to the established order in Europe. We are just another European country now. Of course Germany is economically powerful and is leading in Europe with ignoring EU guidelines. But that only goes to show how absurd the EU Commission's demands and philosophies have become. This ignorance towards an unhinged EU Commission is symptomatic for the EU. If the Junkerists don't disappear - and i mean fully disappear - the project of the European Union fails. And this has nothing to do with the "nationalists" in Europe. There is no truly nationalistic threat in modern Europe. When will the imbecilic left understand and accept this? The decline of the EU is not the result of the rise of right wing parties. It's the result of internal stupidity and arrogance that eventually punishes itself.

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    Default Re: German Jews warned against wearing kippah in public.

    Quote Originally Posted by swabian View Post
    I don't understand as a German that, after all the progress that has been made since ww2, that German nationalism is still feared so much.
    Far-right ultranationalism constitutes one of the biggest threats to peace in Western/European societies. In fact, New research finds parallels between German votes in 1933 and now




    Edit. Even Wiki knows it well,
    Since about 2015, the AfD has been increasingly open to working with far-right extremist groups such as Pegida.[22] Parts of the AfD have racist,[23] Islamophobic,[24] anti-Semitic[25][26] and xenophobic[13][27][28] tendencies linked to far-right movements such as neo-Nazism[29][26] and identitarianism.[30][31]
    Quote Originally Posted by swabian View Post
    Of course Germany is economically powerful and is leading in Europe with ignoring EU guidelines
    Well,well....in the European elections,Merkel gave her blessing to Manfred Weber. Whatever. In the EU Game of Thrones, Weber, Merkel's dragon, doesn't spit fire anymore.Socialists & Democrats: Home
    As I said before, Timmermans, the Socialist candidate for European Commission president will win.
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    And again- like it or not- police data showed the vast majority of anti semitic attacks were perpetrated by neo-Nazis or other far-right extremists.
    Last edited by Ludicus; May 31, 2019 at 06:47 PM.
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