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    Default Dutch liberal government caught covering up crime statistics when the perpetrators are asylum seekers, refugees or other migrants

    Ooops they did it again!

    The fight between good and evil, truth and lies continues.

    Original article in Dutch.
    https://www.telegraaf.nl/nieuws/3594...ding-telegraaf

    Broader in English:
    https://theoldcontinent.eu/dutch-ministry-cover-up/
    De Telegraaf reveals attempts by the Ministry of Justice and Safety to obfuscate the amount of crime committed by asylum seekers. In an article published on 16 May, the paper writes that despite promises of openness, the Ministry has attempted to hide serious crimes by misnaming them ‘other incidents’. Those ‘other incidents’ include rape cases and child abuse. This deliberate attempt at misleading the public comes after De Telegraaf had to resort to legal steps in 2017 to get data on crimes committed by asylum seekers. Then, the Ministry denied keeping a separate registration, claiming it had no figures to release. In reality, the police kept statistics, with De Telegraaf claiming the sheer volume of the files kept the authorities from releasing the information.

    In what the paper dubs a ‘painful affair’, two years later the Ministry is up to its old tricks again. The aim is yet again to obscure: it is the Ministry that grouped a 1000 ‘other crimes’, and yet again De Telegraaf had to resort to police sources to fill in the deliberate blanks.
    Of the 1000 ‘others’, 79 were sexual offences, ranging from sexual assault, to sexual abuse of children, to rape, to possession of child pornography. Police were called for 51 cases of battery, 31 cases of murder or manslaughter. There were 5 counts of kidnap or hostage taking, 4 times it was for human trafficking, and 73 times there was a disturbance of the peace.
    The Ministry, meanwhile, professes its innocence. A spokesperson blames the police for not giving exact enough data. But the fact that the police has the information, implies that the Ministry could have demanded the information, according to Jasper van Dijk, MP. He concludes that
    “it is remarkable that the Ministry didn’t report this [want of information], this is a lack of transparency. We need to know what we are debating.”
    The 1000 ‘other’ crimes paint a less than sterling picture of the situation in and around asylum locations. In total, the police registered 4600 crimes committed by asylum seekers in 2018. Shoplifting (2030 cases) was popular, followed by pickpocketing, stealing purses, physical abuse and making threats.
    Most perpetrators are from so-called ‘safe countries‘ like Algeria, Morocco and Tunisia. There is little chance they will be given a permit, but they are difficult to expel. They do form the supposedly ‘small group’ that causes much of the trouble. According to the Central Agency for the Reception of Asylum Seekers (COA), 2018 saw an increase of ‘incidents’. It counted 13.350 incidents, up from 11.820 in 2017. Most were breaking of the house rules (7460), but the reports of “an aggressive attitude” increased by 50%.
    From the report discussed by De Telegraaf, it does become clear that prosecution is rare in these cases. All registered crimes led to only 1710 appearances in court, with unclear results.
    Those institutions responsible simply point at one another. The Ministry points at the police, the police at the State Prosecutor. The Prosecutor couldn’t tell, when asked, what happened with the cases that were prosecuted. It is also unclear why the process of expulsion of criminal asylum seekers is so slow and difficult. Of 45 cases in 2018 in which it was decided an asylum seeker was to leave the country, only 5 actually did.
    So, liberal governments all over the world are getting outsed for their outright incompetence and dishonesty and where they are still in charge, they are quickly shifting towards an Orwellian dystopia where truth is obfuscated because it doesn't fit the official narrative. Immigration is indeed one of those topics where the liberals seem to lie the most.

    The good news, this revelation comes close to the European Parliament elections and the ruling treacherous party, centrist VVD has recently been passed by patriotic heroes of the Fvd. Hopefully this revelation will further convince more voters of who the real problem is, so that we can finally address it.

    Why do liberals have to keep lying about migration related issues? Can governments and/or official, including judges be trusted at this point? Is this why they are actively trying to suppress freedom of press under the guise of ''fighting fake news''? What's the solution to the liberal question?

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    You never give up, don't you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mary The Quene View Post
    You never give up, don't you?
    Indeed . Isn't the current Dutch government a conservative one?

    As for transpancy, the Dutch seem to hold crime figures and I presume that story isn't denying that those figures weren't disclosed after a bit of digging. An FOI request is barely what I would call legal action. Perhaps I should put in a freedom of information request as to how many times Tommy Robinson has had a milkshake facial, then attempt to make a Mudpit thread from that.
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    Doesn't surprise me. British government covered up the rape and torture of British children for decades for the sake of "diversity" who want children to be raped, tortured and murdered as long as it means society gets more diverse.

    These people have very sick minds.
    Last edited by NorseThing; May 18, 2019 at 03:48 PM. Reason: off topic

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Damian View Post
    Doesn't surprise me. British government covered up the rape and torture of British children for decades for the sake of "diversity" who want children to be raped, tortured and murdered as long as it means society gets more diverse.

    These people have very sick minds.
    Really? Explain how covering up the crimes of Jimmy Savile where based on diversity?
    Last edited by NorseThing; May 18, 2019 at 03:49 PM. Reason: continuity

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    He's referring to Rotherham.

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    Jimmy Saville was covered up to save the reputation of the BBC.
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    It seems like MO of neoliberal governments in Europe is to cover up crime and then denounce anyone pointing that out as "racist" or "extremist".

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    That's why government officials, their party members and the judges involved will have to go through a People's Trial eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    Indeed . Isn't the current Dutch government a conservative one?
    A coalition of free market capitalists and conservatives to be more precise. But yeah, its senior partners make up a traditional right wing government. All the more embarrassing that they are found 'covering up' statistics that would normally suit their agenda just fine!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muizer View Post
    A coalition of free market capitalists and conservatives to be more precise. But yeah, its senior partners make up a traditional right wing government. All the more embarrassing that they are found 'covering up' statistics that would normally suit their agenda just fine!
    Then the OP 's title is wrong. I suggest a correction to 'A Conservative government struggles to handle a routine clerical matter' , for accuracy's sake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Basil II the B.S View Post
    That's why government officials, their party members and the judges involved will have to go through a People's Trial eventually.
    And by "People's Trial" you mean a kangaroo court a la Russia or China. Or just lynching?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Basil II the B.S View Post
    He's referring to Rotherham.
    So it's ok to ignore the rest of the UK because it is inconveniant? Sure, we can use ONE town to try and prove a false point but that's, well, stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coughdrop addict View Post
    And by "People's Trial" you mean a kangaroo court a la Russia or China. Or just lynching?
    Kangaroo couts are the ones that let criminal migrants walk because ''he didnd't understand that no means no'' or ''his culture is different''. Your side has destroyed the justice system. How on earth do you expect me to trust a sentence by ideologues who have no sense of justice and simply want to ethnically cleanse white people?


    Quote Originally Posted by 95thrifleman View Post
    So it's ok to ignore the rest of the UK because it is inconveniant? Sure, we can use ONE town to try and prove a false point but that's, well, stupid.
    Anothe liberal strawman. Never seen that one before.

    Let's stick to the topic: migrants murdering and raping Europeans and your side covering that up. All liberals guilty?
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    I've never voted for any of the parties that make up this government of ours. They're certainly not 'my side', even if to you the difference may seem insignificant. Problem I see is comments like yours are actually helping to create a 'safe space' for the traditional conservatives and market capitalists, where they can do all they want in governemnt in the knowledge that all bad things will be blamed on the left anyway. In the dutch context, the greatest impacts that the populists have had is to cement the traditional right wing, while achieving none of their own goals.
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    Wilders is indeed worthless. Baudet on the other hand is a rockstar. He's young, literate and very good looking. The fact that he's rising in a country that's economically doing well is telling. The issue is cultural and that's why the left is destined to lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Basil II the B.S View Post
    Kangaroo couts are the ones that let criminal migrants walk because ''he didnd't understand that no means no'' or ''his culture is different''. Your side has destroyed the justice system. How on earth do you expect me to trust a sentence by ideologues who have no sense of justice and simply want to ethnically cleanse white people?



    Anothe liberal strawman. Never seen that one before.

    Let's stick to the topic: migrants murdering and raping Europeans and your side covering that up. All liberals guilty?
    My side?

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    Yes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Basil II the B.S View Post
    Yes?
    Which side do you think I'm on? Or is it that anyone who doesn't agree with you is classed as a "liberal"?

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    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-threats.html

    She should have just kept her mouth shut for the sake of diversity (according to Labour MP Naz Shah).

    Right guize?
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