The latest anti-liberal rant thread (get your daily dose here)

[irontaino]

It's indicative of two broader problems: (1) that lib/left prejudices are not simply facilitated, but encouraged and; (2) that said prejudices are often used to invert reality in order to present the privileged as the oppressed.

That's...a lot to glean from a single student.

[Cope]

That's...a lot to glean from a single student.

It isn't being gleaned from a "single student". This is just one example of an avalanche of examples, many of which have been discussed in this thread.

[Heathen Hammer]

Per capita net greenhouse gas emissions have fallen among the OECD and EU member states since the end of the Cold War.

That's a result of a whim of a circumstance, as opposed to some inherent superiority of globalist liberalism that is implied but is practically nonexistent. Not to mention that anti-nuclear-power psychosis that is overtaking EU is going to cost it quite dearly in terms of both economy and environment.

[Infidel144]

'We're being pressured into sex by some trans women'

"I've had someone saying they would rather kill me than Hitler," says 24-year-old Jennie*.
"They said they would strangle me with a belt if they were in a room with me and Hitler. That was so bizarrely violent, just because I won't have sex with trans women."
Jennie is a lesbian woman. She says she is only sexually attracted to women who are biologically female and have vaginas. She therefore only has sex and relationships with women who are biologically female.
Jennie doesn't think this should be controversial, but not everyone agrees. She has been described as transphobic, a genital fetishist, a pervert and a "terf" - a trans exclusionary radical feminist.
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Several people got in touch with me to say there was a "huge problem" for lesbians, who were being pressured to "accept the idea that a penis can be a female sex organ".

I knew this would be a hugely divisive subject, but I wanted to find out how widespread the issue was.
Ultimately, it has been difficult to determine the true scale of the problem because there has been little research on this topic - only one survey to my knowledge. However, those affected have told me the pressure comes from a minority of trans women, as well as activists who are not necessarily trans themselves.
They described being harassed and silenced if they tried to discuss the issue openly. I received online abuse myself when I tried to find interviewees using social media.
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One of the lesbian women I spoke to, 24-year-old Amy*, told me she experienced verbal abuse from her own girlfriend, a bisexual woman who wanted them to have a threesome with a trans woman.
When Amy explained her reasons for not wanting to, her girlfriend became angry.
"The first thing she called me was transphobic," Amy said. "She immediately jumped to make me feel guilty about not wanting to sleep with someone."
She said the trans woman in question had not undergone genital surgery, so still had a penis.
"I know there is zero possibility for me to be attracted to this person," said Amy, who lives in the south west of England and works in a small print and design studio.
"I can hear their male vocal cords. I can see their male jawline. I know, under their clothes, there is male genitalia. These are physical realities, that, as a woman who likes women, you can't just ignore."
Amy said she would feel this way even if a trans woman had undergone genital surgery - which some opt for, while many don't.
Soon afterwards Amy and her girlfriend split up.
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Another lesbian woman, 26-year-old Chloe*, said she felt so pressured she ended up having penetrative sex with a trans woman at university after repeatedly explaining she was not interested.
They lived near each other in halls of residence. Chloe had been drinking alcohol and does not think she could have given proper consent.
"I felt very bad for hating every moment, because the idea is we are attracted to gender rather than sex, and I did not feel that, and I felt bad for feeling like that," she said.
Ashamed and embarrassed, she decided not to tell anyone.
"The language at the time was very much 'trans women are women, they are always women, lesbians should date them'. And I was like, that's the reason I rejected this person. Does that make me bad? Am I not going to be allowed to be in the LGBT community anymore? Am I going to face repercussions for that instead?' So I didn't actually tell anyone."
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"I thought I would be called a transphobe or that it would be wrong of me to turn down a trans woman who wanted to exchange nude pictures," one wrote. "Young women feel pressured to sleep with trans women 'to prove I am not a terf'."
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One woman reported being targeted in an online group. "I was told that homosexuality doesn't exist and I owed it to my trans sisters to unlearn my 'genital confusion' so I can enjoy letting them penetrate me," she wrote.
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One compared going on dates with trans women to so-called conversion therapy - the controversial practice of trying to change someone's sexual orientation.
"I knew I wasn't attracted to them but internalised the idea that it was because of my 'transmisogyny' and that if I dated them for long enough I could start to be attracted to them. It was DIY conversion therapy," she wrote.
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Another reported a trans woman physically forcing her to have sex after they went on a date.
"[They] threatened to out me as a terf and risk my job if I refused to sleep with [them]," she wrote. "I was too young to argue and had been brainwashed by queer theory so [they were] a 'woman' even if every fibre of my being was screaming throughout so I agreed to go home with [them]. [They] used physical force when I changed my mind upon seeing [their] penis and raped me."
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While welcomed by some in the LGBT community, Angela's report was described as transphobic by others.
"[People said] we are worse than rapists because we [supposedly] try to frame every trans woman as a rapist," said Angela.
"This is not the point. The point is that if it happens we need to speak about it. If it happens to one woman it's wrong. As it turns out it happens to more than one woman."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-57853385

[Lord Thesaurian]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Um, based? As Washington clings to absurdities, our adversaries gloat over their good fortune.

[Virian]

Youtube and Facebook will surely ban him right?

I won’t hold my breath.

30.10.2021, video is still up and last video posted was 3 months ago

[alhoon]

Jennie is a lesbian woman. She says she is only sexually attracted to women who are biologically female and have vaginas. She therefore only has sex and relationships with women who are biologically female.
Jennie doesn't think this should be controversial, but not everyone agrees. She has been described as transphobic, a genital fetishist, a pervert and a "terf" - a trans exclusionary radical feminist.

So... she's being described as a reasonable lesbian woman.
Do not encourage the delusions of the people that think they can be female because they feel so. It is based on chemical imbalances and structural differences of the brain.
A man with gender dysphoria cannot be made woman any more than a man born without an arm can grow an arm. There are some mechatronic replacements but they are not an arm.

[alhoon]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/not-race-...100000752.html

That could easily, very easily go to the rightwing rant thread as both sides do it. The universities of the West world are not training people in critical thinking any more, quality of education erodes.

[Heathen Hammer]

That's what happened to Soviets when Stalin and other socialist lunatics begun forcing their political ideology into scientific research, banning conventional genetics, and for some reason cybernetics, because they "weren't in line with socialist values", as a result USSR lost its competitive edge to NATO and fell behind. With woke lunatics now doing the same thing to Western Academia, I can see Russia and China leaving the West behind if this situation continues.

[Coughdrop addict]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Um, based? As Washington clings to absurdities, our adversaries gloat over their good fortune.

And yet you don't see many Americans migrating to Russia. I guess when you get right down to it having to treat minorities as equals isn't quite as bad as living in a fascist dictatorship.

[Heathen Hammer]

We wouldn't see Russians migrating to America, especially if Russian bankers would fund a communist terrorist group to take over America sometime around 1917, so that it can commit the biggest genocide in human history. Not that slightly higher living standards in US really change that Putin and other world leaders laughing at woke USA makes total sense.

[alhoon]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/already-a...220013942.html

I mostly agree with that guy (With the exception that I consider Trump an authoritarian)

[alhoon]

According to Huffpost, saying someone "only knows how to play the race card" and "How about merit? How about that for a change? " is "Incredibly Racist".


Someone should remind those people that criticizing someone for not having merit is not racism, let alone Incredibly racist comment.
That Chinese activist that has seen authoritarianism and claimed USA is turning to a woke-tyranny is right.

[irontaino]

Woke, critical race theory, these are the new bogeymen for the right, ever since pizzagate fizzled out. Moral panic over a big fat nothing. Similar to the satanic panic of the 80s.

[alhoon]

Woke, critical race theory, these are the new bogeymen for the right, ever since pizzagate fizzled out. Moral panic over a big fat nothing. Similar to the satanic panic of the 80s.

Critical Race Theory has the not-so-incidental side-effect of building guilt to children over things their great grandparents did. You can't fight Racism with extremism and boiling anything down to racism.

Woke culture is the worst disaster of the 2010s, the reason Trump was president in 2016 and why he may be president in 2024.
Climate change would be the worst disaster of 2020s. Perhaps.

Telling people that to criticize someone over lack of merit is racist just because that person is half-black, Half-Asian woman is not a winning argument, it just pisses off people leading some of them to see black people as the enemy, polarizing and making things worse.
Telling parents that the school district has no responsibility to inform them if their kid is sent to a gender-swapping conversion therapy (aka see those 'specialists' which contain a lot of evil people that try to convince kids that there are more than two genders) is not a winning position and makes people say "I prefer to vote for that populist idiot because he would live my kids alone".

The main reason the alt-right exists, is as a reaction the progressives as some of the ideas they peddle range from disgusting to downright dangerous.

One of the main reasons for far-rightwing push in the West is as a reaction to progressives that insult instead of discuss and they never compromise. When you lamp the person that says "merit should be more important than race in the VP" with KKK and neonazis marching in Charlottesville, you're effectively pushing that person to their camp. We had more than one members of this forum practically radicalized in my opinion, and the reason for them turning more and more and more far-right / alt-right was not that they were convinced by the right. They were convinced by the left.
The progressives are more effective in creating Neonazis than the neonazis have ever been.

And this is very dangerous for Europe.

[Vanoi]

Critical Race Theory has the not-so-incidental side-effect of building guilt to children over things their great grandparents did. You can't fight Racism with extremism and boiling anything down to racism.

Building guilt? Understanding racism and it's effects well into the 21st century is no more building guilt than teaching German students about the Holocaust their grandparents and great-grandpatents participated in. It's history. History that still continues to effect our current time.

Erasing the black marks and stains that our countries committed years ago will not make us clean now.

Instead conservatives are advocating for "patriotic" education.

https://time.com/5889907/trump-patriotic-education/

[https://harvardpolitics.com/patriotic-education/

China has its own version of patriotic education. Good way to highlight and exaggerate your country's achievements and values while casually glancing over or plain out ignoring "bad history" that country has. Nothing but revisionist history.

[antaeus]

Gotta love a good moral panic...

Spoiler for Warning: NSFW language: 

[Heathen Hammer]

Criticism of a racist marxist pseudo-science being taught in school isn't moral panic, nor would it be if schools were caught teaching National-Socialism, Syndicalism or Anarchism or any other ideology.
I mean if they taught about CRT and how marxism in general led to biggest act of genocide in human history, it would be educational, but teaching them CRT itself is indoctrination and parents are the ones that should get to decide curriculum, so yeah.

[EmperorBatman999]

You can talk about race and the sins of the United States without becoming obsessive about it. I think, for example, that the Advanced Placement program for United States History taught to high school students works out an excellent balance between discussing the highlights of US History while also leaving enough space to discuss topics of race and injustice in the United States. That course goes over the typical US history of all the Presidents and Founding Fathers, but also discusses slave rebellions and the conquest of the indigenous people in frank terms. Now I tutor for this class, and I make sure to discuss these topics: I have to, if the student is to match the nationwide curricular requirements to pass the exam in May.

I often hear people talk about the US's historical crimes, complaining that they never learned it in school. I, on the other hand, did learn a lot about it, but I had the grades to get into an advanced-level class which had the time to teach such things. Unlike many other courses, most AP classes are a year-long commitment, and APUSH covers the breadth of US History from Jamestown to 9/11. As it is designed for diligent students who perform better than the average school population, those students can be trusted to go the extra mile to discuss advanced and nuanced topics, and to do extensive reading to keep up with the course's subjects.

Frankly, I wish the US had a "learning culture" that held all students to this standard, rather than the "Good Enough is Good Enough" approach that accepts a level of laziness and mediocrity out of most of the student body, allowing students to pass with minimal effort, lest the teachers get chewed out by angry parents. Because schools are now arranged to serve the lowest common denominator, the curriculum can't contain too many topic matters and certain aspects must be prioritized, especially to meet state standards. I think that if schools asked more of their students and expected them to be students first, rather than athletes, we could actually have a more comprehensive history curriculum that would generate an informed citizenry. Instead, we're looking at entertaining one of two extremes, and that is either the 1776 Narrative or the 1619 Narrative. As a Historian and a Historical Educator, I can say neither are true, but something in between the two most likely is, and it is neither "Patriotic" or "Post-Modernist" education.

[alhoon]

Building guilt? Understanding racism and it's effects well into the 21st century is no more building guilt than teaching German students about the Holocaust their grandparents and great-grandpatents participated in. It's history. History that still continues to effect our current time.

Erasing the black marks and stains that our countries committed years ago will not make us clean now.

Not boiling everything down to racism doesn't mean "Erasing the black marks and stains that our countries committed years ago"

Take... France and Belgium for example. Do Algerians, Senegalese etc rage and all in France?
Do the Rwandans rage and all in Belgium?
Do Indians, that were enslaved to the English till less than a 100 years ago and then treated badly for the next 50 years until they were decolonized, rage and all in UK?
And both those countries acknowledge their colonial past. The English themselves agree that throwing Indians to machineguns in WW1 without increasing their autonomy as they have promised, was not exactly decent.

China has its own version of patriotic education. Good way to highlight and exaggerate your country's achievements and values while casually glancing over or plain out ignoring "bad history" that country has. Nothing but revisionist history.

China is not progressive, they're very authoritarian. That some people do it worse doesn't mean that progressives do it right.

https://time.com/5889907/trump-patriotic-education/

[https://harvardpolitics.com/patriotic-education/

Oh, .
That is actually very dangerous. OF COURSE the ####ing far-rights will try to top the Progressives in idiocy and add an element of danger in it.
I believe Trump is trolling but that these ideas resurfacing in USA of all places - after we saw what came of them with WW2 - is concerning. At this point, this is ranting matter for the Far-right thread.
I honestly hope in the future it will remain a ranting matter and not a serious, potentially very dangerous, topic.