The latest anti-liberal rant thread (get your daily dose here)

[mishkin]

But obviously, there are no associations that advance the interests of white people.

Why should such an association exist in the white-dominated Western world?

[alhoon]

Why should such an association exist in the white-dominated Western world?

There are such associations in the white-dominated world.

[mishkin]

There are such associations in the white-dominated world.

Could you cite some examples of "associations that advance the interests of white people"?

[numerosdecimus]

There are such associations in the white-dominated world.

I'm confused about the following.

The economical system of a nation/society always aims to be to the benefit of the population that composes that nation. Normally, although not always, a nation is composed of an ethnic majority with some ethnical/cultural minorities.

This happens in Japan, China, India, Pakistan, Eastern Europe, Africa and so on. In other words, it is the the functional rule and it's what is to be expected throughout the world. It servers the needs of each respective nation or it has no legitimate purpose.

So inevitably, by correlation, for each respective country, yes, it will benefit the ethnic majority, simply because by CORRELATION they are the ethnic majority of that nation. There is not ill will in this coincidence, it is simply a phenomenon of statistical convergence.

This phenomenon of economical benefit, while by statistical correlation will affect by largest number of people those of the majority ethnical background, it doesn't mean it is exclusive to them, other ethnical minorities also benefit from the system in place. The difference is that because of the differences in absolute numbers between ethnicities, it will inevitably benefit the ethnical majority by absolute numbers. But this is just statistical convergence, there's no ill intentions behind it.

So why use as a point of criticism that "it is to the benefit in white-dominated countries"? It is normal and expected that should be to their benefit, because they are the largest groups in their respective societies, just as it will be to the benefit of the largest groups in other societies and cultures.

(edited)

[mishkin]

The mental gymnasitics. First step: instead of talking about races talk about ethnicities.

Why not favor both white and non-white people equally? Why not give them the same opportunities and advantages? Are there first and second class citizens?

[Cope]

The mental gymnasitics. First step: instead of talking about races talk about ethnicities.

Why not favor both white and non-white people equally? Why not give them the same opportunities and advantages? Are there first and second class citizens?

Workplace training material which instructs employees to "be less white" and claims that white Americans are "oppressive", "arrogant" and "ignorant" is discriminatory; it creates a hostile, racialized environment in which staff are not treated equally. Such material is produced primarily by left-wing "intellectuals" (in this case Robin DiAngelo) claiming to be "anti-racist".

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

[Sir Adrian]

The mental gymnasitics. First step: instead of talking about races talk about ethnicities.

Why not favor both white and non-white people equally? Why not give them the same opportunities and advantages? Are there first and second class citizens?

That is a very good question, and I would be curious what Coca Cola would answer.

[alhoon]

Could you cite some examples of "associations that advance the interests of white people"?

Sure. I will state just the ones that promote the interests of white people only instead of everyone (which includes white people).

The Golden Dawn in Greece.
The AfD in Germany.
An unfortunately large part of the Republican Party in USA.
The government of Hungary.
The government of Israel.
Every racist or xenophobic group with some power and the audacity to act on it in the White-dominated world. And I include here the 50 white racist farmers in rural England that have agreed in a Christmas dinner that they would hire only non-muslim whites and got a thumbs up from the mayor, but won't openly say it outside their village.

Workplace training material which instructs employees to "be less white" and claims that white Americans are "oppressive", "arrogant" and "ignorant" is discriminatory; it creates a hostile, racialized environment in which staff are not treated equally. Such material is produced primarily by left-wing "intellectuals" (in this case Robin DiAngelo) claiming to be "anti-racist".

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Wait, Will Smith and Kayne West are white?

[Ludicus]

Sure. I will state just the ones that promote the interests of white people only instead of everyone (which includes white people).

The Golden Dawn in Greece.
The AfD in Germany.
An unfortunately large part of the Republican Party in USA.
The government of Hungary.
The government of Israel.

To be fair-I don't know about Netanyahu- but it seems to me that Israelis do not perceive themselves in racial terms. That is to say, they are not racially divided between Blacks/whites in the way that American society has long been.They are Jews, period.

[mishkin]

Sure. I will state just the ones that promote the interests of white people only instead of everyone (which includes white people).

The Golden Dawn in Greece.
The AfD in Germany.
An unfortunately large part of the Republican Party in USA.
The government of Hungary.
The government of Israel.
Every racist or xenophobic group with some power and the audacity to act on it in the White-dominated world. And I include here the 50 white racist farmers in rural England that have agreed in a Christmas dinner that they would hire only non-muslim whites and got a thumbs up from the mayor, but won't openly say it outside their village.

Chapeau.

That is a very good question, and I would be curious what Coca Cola would answer.

Do you know what I'm curious about? to know how many high-level coca cola employees are not white.

By the way, here SJWs we have boycotted Coca Cola since some years ago (maybe more than some, I cant recall the last coca cola I have had) they refused to accept Spanish legislation regarding unfair dismissals in our country. By the way part II, capitalism is the enemy, not a "pinko"publishing an article , a naive PR or some folks with a different culture or skin color.

[alhoon]

To be fair-I don't know about Netanyahu- but it seems to me that Israelis do not perceive themselves in racial terms. That is to say, they are not racially divided between Blacks/whites in the way that American society has long been.They are Jews, period.

The way they treat the Ethiopian Jews is suboptimal, to say the least.
Up until recently, they were giving them long-term contraceptives to reduce their birthrates. In 2013 the minister told doctors to stop giving long-term contraceptives to women without their knowledge.
Other cases mention that Ethiopian Jew women were intimidated to take the shots against their better judgement.
And there are more examples if you check.

[sumskilz]

The way they treat the Ethiopian Jews is suboptimal, to say the least.

Ethiopian Jews support the ruling coalition, as do most Mizrahi and Sephardi Jews. It's actually Ashkenazi Jews (those with the most European ancestry) who tend not to. The majority of Israelis don't really have any understating of the Western conception of race, the differences that matter in Israel are cultural. Even Jews who have a negative view of Arab culture will still refer to Arabs as cousins.

Up until recently, they were giving them long-term contraceptives to reduce their birthrates. In 2013 the minister told doctors to stop giving long-term contraceptives to women without their knowledge.
Other cases mention that Ethiopian Jew women were intimidated to take the shots against their better judgement.
And there are more examples if you check.

This is all BS. The truth behind the story is that 35 Ethiopian Jews were allegedly coaxed into taking birth control by a Jewish American non-profit organization during family planning counseling while they were in a refugee camp in Ethiopia. The women claimed to not have understood that the shots would last 14 weeks, probably due to the fact that they didn't understand English or Hebrew. When this story came to light there was some concern that doctors in Israel might have renewed prescriptions without the women fully understating the implications.

The government of Israel brought the Ethiopian Jews into the country in order to rescue them from danger. Maintaining high birthrates among all Jews is generally seen as a matter of long-term national security. If the Israeli government didn't want Ethiopian Jews, they could have just not put so much effort and resources into bringing them to Israel. The whole allegation is nonsensical.

[alhoon]

https://www.insider.com/amanda-gorma...ch-poet-2021-2

The gist: Snowflakes were up in arms that a white person would translate to Dutch the poem a black person wrote and performed at Biden's inauguration.

An idiot wrote on an opinion piece: "Not to take anything away from Rijneveld's qualities, but why not chose a writer who is - just like Gorman - spoken word artist, young, female and unapologetically Black?"
Because, idiot, then you're asking a person to step down based on race and gender. That's racism.

If we said "not to take anything away from [acknowledged female black poet]'s qualities, but why not choose a writer who is - just like T.S. Elliot - spoken word artist, young, male and white?" it would be rightfully considered racism.
Saying the same thing about white people is also racism.

[alhoon]

Remember when progressives were telling everyone that we have nothing to worry about when it came to evil doctors proscribing dangerous drugs to kids with little oversight?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...rugs-children/

The revelations will fuel concerns about the level of medical oversight at the clinic, which flouts NHS rules by exploiting a legal loophole that makes prescriptions signed by doctors registered anywhere in the EU valid for use at British pharmacies.

The Telegraph disclosed last week that GenderGP used a geriatrician in Romania to prescribe testosterone to a female reporter posing as a 15-year-old without parental involvement. The clinic defended the practice, saying "not all parents are supportive" and that when young patients are able to consent to treatment "in their own right" it can be "appropriate and necessary".

In the second part of The Telegraph's investigation, reporters posed as the parents of 12-year old Alfie, born a boy, who approached GenderGP on his behalf. They had two online appointments with a counsellor and one with a doctor, over the course of which they said the child – not present on any of the calls – had told them for the first time that he identified as female.

The counsellor, Marianne Oakes, told the reporters they would not necessarily have to speak to a doctor before the child started on puberty blockers, saying: "It's a choice of yours. You can read about the medication that we're minded to give you. We've got it all on the website."

Gender GP's doctor Yasmeen El Rakhawy confirmed that the 12-year-old could potentially obtain puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones without ever having an appointment with one of the clinic's doctors.

So, a 15 years old can decide to take dangerous, body-altering drugs but not drink alcohol? And no, I am not saying laws should be relaxed to allow 15-years-olds to drink alcohol.
I am saying we should:
- Imprison the evil doctors of GenderGP for malpractice. Make an example out of them, by hitting them with fines for all the damage they have done to who knows how many kids.
- close that loophole.
- Make sure that in order to get puberty blockers, one must have the agreement of not one, but two doctors.
- Invalidate the post-graduate diploma "in gender sexuality and diverse relationships" of Ms Oakes. Actually, make that invalidate all crappy gender sexuality-related diplomas. With no refund for those that acquired those phony degrees.

[Aexodus]

Children are just collateral damage to the social revolution. I've decided I'm not going to give transgender advocates the benefit of the doubt from now on. Apparently what you fear will happen, actually does if you let the government and political groups get away with it.

[mishkin]

Children are just collateral damage to the social revolution.

The social revolution? Could you explain what you are talking about?

[Aexodus]

I am referring to the agenda that is pushing this sort of thing. Revolution, liberation, whatever language they're using these days. It is however, not progress.

[alhoon]

The social revolution? Could you explain what you are talking about?

We are talking about doctors using loopholes to poison children without explaining the full range of bad effects drugs would have on them, or explaining to them that they will probably regret the decision to transition in the future. We are also talking about people that not only claim absurdities like "gender is a social construct / sex and gender are different things" but that also try to enforce their absurdity by using whatever means they have to censor people that deny the absurdities or deviate from the woke orthodoxy.

Sure, people can speak with their money and take their business elsewhere and not patronize people that deny the SJW absurdities. They can also exercise their free speech to call any reasonable person (i.e. someone that realizes there are two genders and not 50) names and to ask the employers of said person to fire him.
Don't expect us to like those people though and don't wonder why the far-right is rising.

[The spartan]

We are talking about doctors using loopholes to poison children...

Wow... Never knew doctors were so needlessly malicious.

We are also talking about people that not only claim absurdities like "gender is a social construct / sex and gender are different things"

Do you...think gender and sex are the same thing?

but that also try to enforce their absurdity by using whatever means they have to censor people that deny the absurdities or deviate from the woke orthodoxy.

It's funny because you are both complaining about an orthodoxy while trying to maintain another.

They can also exercise their free speech to call any reasonable person (i.e. someone that realizes there are two genders and not 50) names and to ask the employers of said person to fire him.

Fire a person for what? Having a belief? I don't think employers care if an employee believes a group of minorities are subhuman; but if an employee goes about publicly claiming a minority group is subhuman, well...

Don't expect us to like those people though and don't wonder why the far-right is rising.

Reactionaries to changing social paradigms are not new; it's happened before and it will happen again. Traditionalists have ceded a lot of ground, over the years.

[Sir Adrian]

That's a lot of non-answers for a zebra post.