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    Funny how Marxists/communists think they have history and society all figured out, but can never seem to make an honest accounting of why people risk their lives to flee socialist/communist countries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    Maybe we should remove the "no gun" rule for government buildings? I mean if someone decides to assassinate a politician or a few, surely "no guns" sign won't stop them?
    How about those tax audit laws? Surely if someone cheats on taxes, audits won't stop him.
    I could go on for a while. My point is that such laws are deterrents. Its not about preventing all crimes altogether, just making more difficult to commit them.
    - Tax audits are to see if someone cheats. They are a good deterrent.
    - No gun laws on government buildings would mean crap without metal detectors but at least they can stop the (very rare) rage-induced murder in government buildings. Aside of that perhaps 0.1%, I would agree such laws would be completely irrelevant without metal detectors.
    - Unless you put testosterone detectors on bathroom doors, a law saying that men can't go to women bathrooms are as useless as no-gun laws without metal detectors would be ... or tax evasion laws without audits. That is my point.

    All your examples prove my point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cope View Post
    In which case what is the rationale for having gendered bathrooms at all?
    Many things.
    One thing is... common decency. We don't live in Minoan times or with the Amazon tribes.
    Another is convenience. Many men use urinals. You can't use urinals if women habitually come in. I can tell you that it's not more than a week that I had a minor pee accident as an old lady got into our bathroom by mistake and I had to very quickly stop what I was doing and cover up.
    Last but not least: The women hog the bathrooms. They often take over aaaaaaaall their bathroom space and invade ours.

    The reason I am supportive of bathroom laws is not the 0.2% of transexuals. It is to stop the women from invading our bathrooms. It is not uncommon to go to a club and have to wait for the princesses to finish up before you can go pee, when the MEN bathroom has 2 men and 6 women!
    In the rare case when women are much much fewer than men (like in a sports stadium), you will see 7-10 men waiting outside the men's bathroom while the women's bathroom is empty. OK, I exaggerate here. There are some pervs that would use the women's bathroom in such cases, but the true measure of principles is adversity. I would not betray my principles just because I have to go and many think like I do. The fact remains that men invade women's bathroom MUCH LESS since they will be called pervs or rapists or peeping toms.

    NOTE: I want bathroom laws that make sense. Not a blanket prohibition by gender. Nobody cares where the 0.2% of transexuals will take a dump. But if the mother has to change the diapers of her son, she should be able to use a bathroom without consulting a lawyer. Or if the father wants to get his daughter to the bathroom. <=== another sad case where I had to "fold" quickly in the Urinal as a 2-years old girl and her father walked in. Who brings a 2-years old to the men's bathroom without knocking first?!
    Sure, there should be no law prohibiting a father to do a father's job, but show some common sense and knock the door!
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    Quote Originally Posted by alhoon View Post
    - Tax audits are to see if someone cheats. They are a good deterrent.
    - No gun laws on government buildings would mean crap without metal detectors but at least they can stop the (very rare) rage-induced murder in government buildings. Aside of that perhaps 0.1%, I would agree such laws would be completely irrelevant without metal detectors.
    - Unless you put testosterone detectors on bathroom doors, a law saying that men can't go to women bathrooms are as useless as no-gun laws without metal detectors would be ... or tax evasion laws without audits. That is my point.

    All your examples prove my point.
    Like I said, the point of those laws is harm reduction.
    Normalizing biological males entering female bathrooms is both irresponsible and does put women in danger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    Like I said, the point of those laws is harm reduction.
    Normalizing biological males entering female bathrooms is both irresponsible and does put women in danger.
    The 0.2%? No, it doesn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Thesaurian View Post
    Funny how Marxists/communists think they have history and society all figured out, but can never seem to make an honest accounting of why people risk their lives to flee socialist/communist countries.

    Is Mexico a communist country? Or do people migrate for many reasons beyond "Eeek! Marxism!"?

    The fact of the matter is that in the 21st century communism is far from a giant looming monster about to unleash devastation on the west. The USSR is no more. China is just a plain old totalitarian state that allows private ownership. The few remaining communist countries are much the same.

    "A Red under every bed." isn't a viable political strategy anymore. When the idea that voting is a constitutional right is called "communism", people are just going to roll their eyes and ignore whatever you have to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coughdrop addict View Post
    Is Mexico a communist country? Or do people migrate for many reasons beyond "Eeek! Marxism!"?

    The fact of the matter is that in the 21st century communism is far from a giant looming monster about to unleash devastation on the west. The USSR is no more. China is just a plain old totalitarian state that allows private ownership. The few remaining communist countries are much the same.

    "A Red under every bed." isn't a viable political strategy anymore. When the idea that voting is a constitutional right is called "communism", people are just going to roll their eyes and ignore whatever you have to say.
    Mexico is a third world country, and as you say, socialism/communism mostly collapsed last century.
    Of these facts there cannot be any shadow of doubt: for instance, that civil society was renovated in every part by Christian institutions; that in the strength of that renewal the human race was lifted up to better things-nay, that it was brought back from death to life, and to so excellent a life that nothing more perfect had been known before, or will come to be known in the ages that have yet to be. - Pope Leo XIII

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coughdrop addict View Post
    Is Mexico a communist country? Or do people migrate for many reasons beyond "Eeek! Marxism!"?

    The fact of the matter is that in the 21st century communism is far from a giant looming monster about to unleash devastation on the west. The USSR is no more. China is just a plain old totalitarian state that allows private ownership. The few remaining communist countries are much the same.

    "A Red under every bed." isn't a viable political strategy anymore. When the idea that voting is a constitutional right is called "communism", people are just going to roll their eyes and ignore whatever you have to say.
    Au contraire, BlueAnon liberals have spent the last five years exploiting residual Cold War suspicions to feed their Russia themed panic porn.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Cope View Post
    It is certainly true that these cases were used as emotional bait for the establishment's culture war. Significant numbers of Americans (particularly liberals) now grossly over estimate the number of unarmed black men killed by police.
    You call it emotional bait. Do black people feel the same way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cope View Post
    Au contraire, BlueAnon liberals have spent the last five years exploiting residual Cold War suspicions to feed their Russia themed panic porn.

    Russia=/=communism since 1991. To say that suspicion of Russian influence in the Trump administration and alarm over Trump's servile relationship with Putin is some red scare hysteria is just arguing in bad faith. If anything, modern Russia is a stark warning of the dangers of unrestrained capitalism and the corruption it inevitably brings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanoi View Post
    You call it emotional bait. Do black people feel the same way?
    Black people are not a cohesive group, or any kind of group really, or some sort of hive mind to have a single unified opinion. Individuals on the other had are likely to agree with Cope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Adrian View Post
    Black people are not a cohesive group, or any kind of group really, or some sort of hive mind to have a single unified opinion. Individuals on the other had are likely to agree with Cope.
    I doubt it.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...le-in-the-u-s/



    https://www.pewresearch.org/social-t...-america-2019/





    Black people for sure are not a cohesive group. Yet that doesn't detract from what I said. No group of people are a hive mind. Yet as shown a majority of black Americans do feel the same way regarding certain issues.

    What's really damning is the fact both a majority of white and black people believe race relations have gotten worse.

    There is a problem going in America regarding race and race relations whenever anyone wants to admit it or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alhoon View Post
    The 0.2%? No, it doesn't.
    Yes it does. Allowing men inside female bathrooms puts women in danger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanoi View Post
    I doubt it.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...le-in-the-u-s/



    https://www.pewresearch.org/social-t...-america-2019/





    Black people for sure are not a cohesive group. Yet that doesn't detract from what I said. No group of people are a hive mind. Yet as shown a majority of black Americans do feel the same way regarding certain issues.

    What's really damning is the fact both a majority of white and black people believe race relations have gotten worse.

    There is a problem going in America regarding race and race relations whenever anyone wants to admit it or not.
    This assertion doesn’t mean much, especially if you look at similar polling over time.




    Now, we can either operate on the probability that racism has gotten dramatically worse in the last decade, or we can hold these graphs up to those showing the media and political establishment’s increasing obsession with race. We can all decide for ourselves which way the causation goes, and maybe your politics convinces you people are simply more enlightened and aware now than they were 10 years ago. Maybe believing that makes people feel better about themselves or about society in general. I don’t know.

    What I do know is, it doesn’t explain why the trend also shows a dramatic increase across the board, after holding comparatively steady for years. It’s safe to assume minorities wouldn’t uniformly become doubly aware of racism they were already experiencing. The most likely scenario is that race issues have been sensationalized by people and institutions with an interest in doing so. We’re all living through the proof of that, all around us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Thesaurian View Post
    The most likely scenario is that race issues have been sensationalized by people and institutions with an interest in doing so... race issues have been sensationalized by people and institutions with an interest in doing so..
    ...The "communist" B.L.M. movement, for example.
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    It’s interesting to note that libertarianism is a a sanctuary for white males who believe that race is a dead topic, who pretend to ignore that blacks in the South were discriminated against for centuries and conveniently claim that the markets will correct everything, or any injustice, instead of recognizing that systemic persecution of blacks needs systemic remedies/laws against structural racism. They hate to hear that systemic racism is a fact of life for minorities in the US. They conveniently forget that Americans have lived through Jim Crow. Many years ago, Goldwater helped establish the American libertarian viewpoint on economics and limited government. So, it is not surprising that Goldwater voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Nowadays, the Libertarian-in-Chief Ron Paul is the intellectual heir of the Goldwater. Btw, his son Rand Paul wrote in 1982:” Every piece of anti-discrimination legislation passed over the past few decades, ignores one of the basic, inalienable rights of man — the right to discriminate”. A lesson learned from his racist father: in a 2004 statement condemning the 1964 Civil Rights Act, Ron Paul wrote, “The forced integration dictated by the Civil Rights Act of 1964 increased racial tensions while diminishing individual liberty”. At that time, he made his case in process terms rather than racist ones, but on other occasions he said the same thing in openly racist terms,
    Order was only restored in L.A. when it came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks” (commenting on the L.A. riots)
    Are you stunned by what has become of American culture?”, he asks.And his answer is a cartoon featuring the “communists”: a Jewish man with a hooked nose, a black man with exaggerated lips, an Asian man with slanted eyes.
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    As I. Kendy put it, the heartbeat of racism is denial. Libertarians are truly experts on this subject.
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    Calling facts you don’t like “libertarian” again? I’ve already been kind enough to save you the trouble of repeating yourself, don’t you think?
    Of these facts there cannot be any shadow of doubt: for instance, that civil society was renovated in every part by Christian institutions; that in the strength of that renewal the human race was lifted up to better things-nay, that it was brought back from death to life, and to so excellent a life that nothing more perfect had been known before, or will come to be known in the ages that have yet to be. - Pope Leo XIII

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    The following should (again) be noted:

    1. The Libertarian Party's nominee for 2020, Jo Jorganson, is a strident BLM advocate. Examples: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.

    2. The doctored Garrison cartoon was posted by a Paul staffer and was taken down promptly. Paul later issued an apology.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    Yes it does. Allowing men inside female bathrooms puts women in danger.
    Allowing men to drive, puts women in much greater danger and yet nobody advocates to ban men from driving.
    Also, allowing women to drive, puts women in greater danger than allowing 0.2% of the population to take a pee in their bathroom. Yet, nobody except some Saudi Arabians advocates to ban women from driving.
    How about working? Working accidents to women are putting them in danger.
    Abortions? The same.

    All those put women in considerably greater danger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alhoon View Post
    Allowing men to drive, puts women in much greater danger and yet nobody advocates to ban men from driving.
    Also, allowing women to drive, puts women in greater danger than allowing 0.2% of the population to take a pee in their bathroom. Yet, nobody except some Saudi Arabians advocates to ban women from driving.
    How about working? Working accidents to women are putting them in danger.
    Abortions? The same.

    All those put women in considerably greater danger.
    That's just sophistry dude, come on. My point is pretty clear - not allowing men in female bathrooms is harm reduction. Also things like, you know, basic human dignity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathen Hammer View Post
    Also things like, you know, basic human dignity.
    That's the part I agree.

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    not allowing men in female bathrooms is harm reduction.
    That's the part I disagree with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alhoon View Post
    Allowing men to drive, puts women in much greater danger and yet nobody advocates to ban men from driving.
    Also, allowing women to drive, puts women in greater danger than allowing 0.2% of the population to take a pee in their bathroom. Yet, nobody except some Saudi Arabians advocates to ban women from driving.
    How about working? Working accidents to women are putting them in danger.
    Abortions? The same.

    All those put women in considerably greater danger.
    That's a bad comparison. The risk of rape from shared bathrooms is completely utterly avoidable. Being at risk from other factors does not justify needlessly adding another one just because.

    PS: women cause more road accidents than men. Men are involved in more road accidents than women.


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    I doubt it.
    I really have to question the validity of any poll that uses vague subjective terms like 'a lot'. What for respondent A is 'a lot' for respondent B might not even register as being discriminated against.
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