''Diversity'' and ''Inclusion'' in the UK: the rise of the Racist White Liberals

[Aexodus]

Isn’t it equally wrong to discriminate by race no matter what the race is mishkin?

Mr Webb said: 'You mention that you are proud of the diversity of the mayoral race in London, you are a white guy and Old Etonian - it's not really 2020 is it, really, to be challenging a black man who is the conservative candidate and the Muslim mayor.'

Mr Stewart added: 'You are absolutely right it is a fantastically diverse group of candidates which reflects a diverse city.'

'And you are saying don't elect them, elect a white Etonian,' said Mr Webb who was educated at private Sidcot School, Somerset.

What disappoints me is how Stewart doesn’t even push back here. The BBC presenter is incapable of seeing things in terms other than race and religion. Stewart should have come back and said that the diversity of the candidates is irrelevant to how they will represent Londoners and serve as Mayor. Celebrating diversity means some people being put the forefront and some being sidelined because of their race.

[mishkin]

Isn’t it equally wrong to discriminate by race no matter what the race is mishkin?

There is absolutely nothing wrong with discriminating to help any group of people who by any circumstance (race, sex, age, illness...) have difficulties or suffer discrimination.

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It is shamefull watching european white men complaining about racism. Mostly it is like crying because you have scratched your finger when a person next to you has just lost his hand.

[95thrifleman]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with discriminating to help any group of people who by any circumstance (race, sex, age, illness...) have difficulties or suffer discrimination.

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It is shamefull watching european white men complaining about racism. Mostly it is like crying because you have scratched your finger when a person next to you has just lost his hand.

Equality must be equal to be equality.

[mishkin]

That phrase looks great but is stupid. Do you have any problem with giving financial assistance to people living in a precarious situation because that is not "equal"? To help a disadvantaged group (in the case of racism, disadvantages derived from social and historical reasons), support and assistance must be given.

[95thrifleman]

That phrase looks great but is stupid. To help a disadvantaged group (in the case of racism, disadvantages derived from social and historical reasons), support and assistance must be given.

So you agree that a man should not be allowed to be the mayor of london because he is white?

[mishkin]

No I dont agree, sorry, try something else.

A question for you if I may? What would you think if the director and spokesperson of, say, a platform for the defense of the gypsy community in England were a white guy from London's most posh neighborhood? That would be fine? In the name of equality the most appropriate man for the job, regardless of race or origin, would be doing his job irreproachably?

[95thrifleman]

No I dont agree, sorry, try something else.

A question for you if I may? What would you think if the director and spokesperson of, say, a platform for the defense of the gypsy community in England were a white guy from London's most posh neighborhood? That would be fine? In the name of equality the most appropriate man for the job, regardless of race or origin, would be doing his job irreproachably?

If the gypsy community voted for him, then fair enough.

[Cope]

Isn’t it equally wrong to discriminate by race no matter what the race is mishkin?

You know his answer is no, so I don't know why you even bother asking.

What disappoints me is how Stewart doesn’t even push back here.

London is a liberal/left city; highlighting Webb's hypocrisy probably wouldn't have been a vote winner.

The BBC presenter is incapable of seeing things in terms other than race and religion. Stewart should have come back and said that the diversity of the candidates is irrelevant to how they will represent Londoners and serve as Mayor. Celebrating diversity means some people being put the forefront and some being sidelined because of their race.

The BBC promotes cosmopolitan leftism at an institutional level: this is just a poorly concealed example of it. I don't even know if Webb himself is a progressive racialist (I doubt it), but his line of questioning illustrates the racial out-group bias which white liberals are known for.

[mishkin]

If the gypsy community voted for him, then fair enough.

I wasnt asking if it would be fair or legal.

[95thrifleman]

I wasnt asking if it would be fair or legal.

Not sure what you are asking, are you suggesting only a gypsy can represent gypsies?

[mishkin]

Not sure what you are asking, are you suggesting only a gypsy can represent gypsies?

Change "can" for "should".

You can also ask any African American about the possibility of a white MLK or any feminist (behold!) about a man as a representative of one of their platforms.

[95thrifleman]

Change "can" for "should".

You can also ask any African American about the possibility of a white MLK or any feminist (behold!) about a man as a representative of one of their platforms.

So as the UK is majority white and christian, by your logic only WASPs should be allowed to hold political office.

[mishkin]

you think it is an equally specific position "leader of a feminist plataform" and mayor or prime minister?

By the way, I'm surprised to hear that the UK is still white and christian after hearing for the last fifteen years that it was being invaded (Londonistan!!) by hordes of brown muslamics (sic.).

[95thrifleman]

you think it is an equally specific position "leader of a feminist plataform" and mayor or prime minister?

The discussion was about Rory Stewart being told he should not apply for political office due to the colour of his skin........

Interesting now that your logic has been proven flawed you try to create a strawman.

[mishkin]

I started talking about (positive) discrimination. Check my first post here, replying to Aexodus. Later you metioned "equality" and I answered you with examples trying to make you understand me.

Do you realize that I have said before that of course that person should be allowed to run for any election?

So you agree that a man should not be allowed to be the mayor of london because he is white?

No I dont agree, sorry, try something else

May I ask where "my logic has been proven flawed"?

[95thrifleman]

I've always been talking about (positive) discrimination. Check my first post here, replying to Aexodus. On the other hand I have answered your questions directly. I cannot say that you have done the same.

I have answered your questions, you just don't like the answer. If a community chooses a leader to represent them then that leader is legitimate. If a feminist group finds a man they feel can and should represent them then there should be no barrier to him doing so.

By taking your stance we'd never have seen the likes of William Wilberforce, Erich Neumann or Isaac Asimov allowed to support and formulate Black, Feminist and Gay rights

[95thrifleman]

By the way, I'm surprised to hear that the UK is still white and christian after hearing for the last fifteen years that it was being invaded (Londonistan!!) by hordes of brown muslamics (sic.).

Propoganda is not truth

[mishkin]

Either you don't understand me or you're dodging my ideas (It is not bad to discriminate on the basis of race, the bad thing is to ignore or do nothing when a race (or any group) is mistreated or suffers disadvantages) very roughly.

Now I find out that Isaac Asimov was a leader of the gay, black or feminist movement, thanks for sharing.

[95thrifleman]

Either you don't understand me or you're dodging my ideas (It is not bad to discriminate on the basis of race, the bad thing is to ignore or do nothing when a race (or any group) is mistreated or suffers disadvantages) very roughly.

Now I find out that Isaac Asimov was a leader of the gay, black or feminist movement, thanks for sharing.

Rory Stewart is being discriminated against because he is white, that is the point I have made and no other. You where the one that suggested white people are somehow a lesser race compared to others in cases of discriination, your own words: "It is shamefull watching european white men complaining about racism. Mostly it is like crying because you have scratched your finger when a person next to you has just lost his hand." Discrimination is discrimination, to try and suggest it's ok to pick on one race and create justification for that discrimination is shameful.

Isaac Asimov was a straight, white man who championed feminism, gay rights and equality in both his novels and in public speaking in a time when it was ilegal just to be gay.

[mongrel]

aside from the anecdote, those comparisons ("imagine if they had said that to a black man", "imagine if that had happened to a woman") seem to ignore the discrimination suffered by some groups. (No, not even jokingly the european white man is a discriminated group).

Indeed. And agreed wrong way to present this, Mr Webb was larping the Daily Mail. Discrimination is indeed discrimination, Rory should have pointed it out.

Fact Boris Johnson and Ken Livingstone were elected Mayors and are white. Shaun Bailey's orthodox views are likely to drive his voter base to the Liberal Democrats in my view.

I started talking about (positive) discrimination.

In the UK, discussion of positive discrimination is an irrelevance.There is no such animal.

The BBC promotes cosmopolitan leftism at an institutional level: this is just a poorly concealed example of it. I don't even know if Webb himself is a progressive racialist (I doubt it), but his line of questioning illustrates the racial out-group bias which white liberals are known for.

I presume yours is the BBC that broadcasts in Fairyland. In real life BBC we see such speakers as Nigel Farage appearing on a very requent basis, as well as the likes of Nick Griffin, albeit it some time ago, Tommy Robinson and your favorite Sir Roger Scrotum. Discussion shows, such as Question Time are packed with gammon.