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    Won't happen, as italian economy can't afford this, as debts are a too severe constraint on economy.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...int-on-economy


    And Salvini's star its declining. Its stupid to call South Italians "Terroni" in the past. UK has milkshakes. South Italy "selfie-/photobombs".

    Three days earlier, a woman from Salerno, a port city south-east of Naples, asked Salvini in a video-selfie if southern Italians were still “terroni”, a derogatory term that originally meant “farmer” and is used by League supporters against southerners.

    “Delete this video,” Salvini told the woman. The minister then asked the police to intervene and seize her mobile phone. Some agents carried out the minister’s orders but later the phone was returned to her and the video went viral once again.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...alvini-protest
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    There's a reason if Salvini has called for the complete eradication of the Italian Central Bank leadership. Every single one of them is dedicated to the survival of the Eurozone at the expense of Italian prosperity.

    EG:
    Tria calls out Schaueble saying he blackmailed Italy when bail-in rules where discussed.
    https://www.lastampa.it/2019/02/28/e...iK/pagina.html
    Visco sides with.... Germany of course. They all do it. The pro-Eu crowd has been ruling and running the country into the ground for the past 3 decades. These people belong to jail. Draghi, Visco, Mattarella.

    Another gem:
    https://twitter.com/Radio1Rai/status...88530136997888
    Visco: ''we'd be poorer without the EU''.
    Fact: we are poorer than 20 years ago, in the EU.

    Since you keep pestering about the debt, here's my solution.
    The ones ''worried about the debt'' in Italy, the PD voters, the pro-EU crowd are... the rich. The only areas where PD wins are Rome center, Milan center, Florence center and Naples center. Now, public debt corresponds to private wealth; the money that the Italian state spent went into private citizens pockets. So if they are so worried about it, then there's a simply solution: if you are pro-Euro, pro-USE, debt reduction is your policy priority, then you get a 100% income tax above 20k a year and a 50% wealth tax. If you evade, you lose everything you own and go to jail. The money collected goes into debt reduction. We start getting 15% fiscal surpluses, the debt shrinks. Essentially, austerity for the rich.
    Done.


    Also, ''Salvini's start is declining'' has no grounds in reality. That article is 2 months old and Salvini just picked up a record high 34% of the vote. Those aren't polls, actual votes. Where is the decline? Pretty funny how you keep posting Guardian slander articles.

    More in the realm of reality:
    Economists bolster Salvini in dispute over Rome’s spending


    https://www.ft.com/content/28666e56-...5-ad75bb96c849


    But yeah, we are the bad guys and we need a few more imbecilles to ''coordinate'' the economy. It makes me want to trigger art 50 tomorrow morning.
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    Still he has no chance in South Italy and Toscana.

    And if the "patriots" enforce their "prosperity" policy, more italian money as already is flowing, will flow to Swiss...

    https://www.repubblica.it/economia/2...209382942/amp/

    And his corrupt fellows could harm him more in the future...

    https://www.politico.eu/article/salv...rruption-case/
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    This is the map of Italy at the European Elections
    https://www.infodata.ilsole24ore.com...zioni-europee/

    Toscana is a handful of cities from switch to the League, and they went from 0% to majority in some of the South. Then again, after your previous statistical argument, I'm not surprised this is the level of geographical analysis.

    The rest doesn't need to be addressed as I did it before and I'm not even sure why you are bringing it up again.
    Last edited by chriscase; June 02, 2019 at 10:39 PM. Reason: inflammatory removed

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    https://tg24.sky.it/speciali/elezion...tg24_link_null

    Obviously Lega hasn't won the majority in all regions.

    A interesting article, who the european election really won and why:

    https://www.politico.eu/article/how-...aginalization/
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    Do you know any party that in a parliamentary democracy wins in every single region?

    Because even in the Reagan/Thatcher landslides, they still missed a few. So Salvini must get a total landslide in Italy where he wins every region, otherwise he's not legit. That's your argument now?

    The funny thing is that even if he managed to do that, then you'd just call him a dictator.

    As for Politico's article, here's the author:
    Nathalie Tocci is director of Istituto Affari Internazionali and special adviser to European High Representative for Foreign Affairs Federica Mogherini.

    So, to be clear. Mogherini was installed by the Democratic Party when they won 40% at the previous European Parliament elections. They were the largest party in the previous European Parliament. They ''won''. They also ''were not isolated''.

    What did Mogherini and Renzi achieve with that in 5 years?
    -more poorer Italians than ever since WW2
    -more unemployed in decades as well
    -zero Eurozone reform
    -zero migration reform (thank god for that btw, it was retarded)
    -they gave free money to Spain, Ireland and Greece, roughly 60 bn Euro from Italian taxpayers that we'll never see again
    -sanctions on Russia that hurt the Italian economy
    -almost zero average growth
    -Italian historical brands ruined by EU policies and then sold to German/French companies
    -Italian banks ruined by EU regulations that they approved

    WINNING.

    Lmao.

    But hey, you still owe me replies:

    1) Open borders for Germany migration plan: yay/nay and why?
    2) Economic annihilation plan of the pro-EU crowd in Italy to pay for the Italian debt: yay or nay?

    I won't address further slander attempts until you reply to those.
    Last edited by chriscase; June 02, 2019 at 10:36 PM. Reason: Inflammatory removed

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    I won't answer any of your fantasy revenge plans for Traitor ruled Germany and still comment your posts.

    Live with that.
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    Please keep in mind Mudpit Rule #2:

    Address the argument, do not attack the person. Debates should be as detached and impersonal as possible. Do not post in such a manner that would elicit a strong, emotional response if possible. Your argument should be phrased in such a way that minimizes the ability to misread the post.

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    What’s Left of the Left?

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/artic...mpression=true

    Rather neutral analysis of the French results.

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    Primeminister Conte is threatening to quit, unless 5 Stars and Lega solves spat in a short time.

    https://www.dw.com/en/italy-conte-th...pat/a-49041250

    Seems Salvini and his racist Lega is soon kicked of the government. He was stupid to play the strong man after the european election and demand more power from 5 Stars.

    Own goal of "patriots".

    Good news for whole Europe.
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    Lmao, you are missing the point completely.

    Who do you think is going to rule? M5S by itself doesn't have the numbers. They need Salvini or PD. PD are liberal elitists, Calenda, one of their top guys, already repeated today ''never with M5S in a billion years''.

    This means new elections and a Salvini landslide.

    Great news for Europe and the true patriots indeed. It's going to be terrific to leave the Eurozone, ally with Trump, Hungary, Poland and Putin against the globalist elite.

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    Hungary and Poland won't go, as the bankrupt Italy can't compensate EU subsidies for them. And nor US nor Russia will pay for Lega voters going into retirement with 62 years. And Putin will sell its Gas to EU, especially Germany. You simply overestimate the power of the italian economy and its importance on the continent.

    The only thing , that will happen, is, that no german tourist will travel to a facistic Italy and the italian economy will get a massive hit being outside a still 450 Million people big common market.

    Your idea is economical fantasy, not reality.

    Besides: outside the government Salvini can not longer prevent to be charged because of illegal imprisoning refugees and because of illegal donations for his party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Basil II the B.S View Post
    Who do you think is going to rule? M5S by itself doesn't have the numbers. They need Salvini or PD. PD are liberal elitists, Calenda, one of their top guys, already repeated today ''never with M5S in a billion years''.
    I would arque that nothing a Italian Politician says is set in stone

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    https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/...-16000769.html

    Interesting comparison between the current EU run by ordoliberals/Germany and the Nazi Empire.

    Also according to the economic theory of the output gap, on which the EC policies are based, Italy has peaked growth for this year at 0.5% and should maintain at least a 10% unemployment rate to prevent wage growth and thus inflation. When in the next decade we will get a party that wants to leave the EU altogether, it's because of things like this.

    This is a good article pointing out that the surge of Green parties is likely to make things worse for the globalist elite.
    https://www.ft.com/content/8a654ac4-...a-05ac2431f453

    Mainly because environmental policies are indeed about crippling the standard of living of the majority... which has already been on the losing side of globalization for decades. The insurgency of the Gilet Jeaunes triggered by a fuel tax is a good example. What they also don't tell is that fundamentally Greens are former communists who thought they could undermine capitalism using environmental arguments, thus the goal of Green policies is indeed the destruction of Western economies. Pretty notable how the core electorate of Greens are urban ''educated'' people who simply repeat whatever slogan they are shoven through their throats. Interesting times.
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