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    Hopefully CA introduces more Han Dynasty era armor into the game. Way too many units in the game (from lower ranked militia to higher ranked elite troops and heroes) are wearing some sort of leather armor, and too many elite units are wearing apron armors that have no protection for the sides.


    Leather was expensive (tanning process is long and expensive) and is weaker than cheaper alternatives, so it was very rarely used as armor. Rawhide was much cheaper than leather, and is much tougher/stronger than leather. However, rawhide is very stiff and not flexible at all, so it has to be cut into lamellar plates and/or scales to be used as armor. That's why the Qin Terra Cotta soldiers are wearing lamellar plates - those are stiff plates of rawhide that have been lacqured and painted. Not to mention by the Han Dynasty era before 3K's timeline, metal lamellar would have become common.
    It is also strange that so many armor in the game (especially for elite units) seems to be some type of "apron" armor that doesn't protect the sides, when lamellar vests that wrap around the side would have been the most common form of armor. However, you look at the Qin Terra Cotta army or depiction of Han Dynasty troops, the lamellar armor are not aprons, but are actually vests that protect the side. Even the lightest/simplest of lamellar armor vests that don't wrap around to the back still protect the front and sides. There might have been a few aprons introduced in this era, but it is strange that both low level and high level troops are both wearing aprons without side protection.

    Examples armor in the game:

    Apron armor 1: https://imgur.com/a/rlbE6wx
    Apron armor 2: https://imgur.com/a/8egWptz
    Mishmash of apron armors and leathers for warlords and units: https://imgur.com/a/AC6Epue


    Examples of Han Dynasty armor:
    Pt 1: https://imgur.com/a/jOBHXhr
    Pt 2: https://imgur.com/a/FnJciZA


    Han Dynasty figurines with painted armor of lamellar vests:
    https://imgur.com/a/8sskphR


    Qin Terra Cotta Army lamellar vest armor:
    https://science.sciencemag.org/conte.../F2.medium.gif








    Last edited by Intranetusa; May 10, 2019 at 11:33 PM.

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    Speaking about Han Dynasty here how Nisean Horses (known to Chinese as Horses of Heaven) came to China and portayed as Divine Horses.

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    What's the source on the embedded images? Particularly the first one with the red/black armor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnthoniusII View Post
    Speaking about Han Dynasty here how Nisean Horses (known to Chinese as Horses of Heaven) came to China and portayed as Divine Horses.
    ... Damn Greeks everywhere in the world!
    lol, yes, I know about the Wudi's Ferghana campaign into Central Asia for Nisean chargers. Kings and Generals have some great videos and I love their crossover stuff.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mantis42 View Post
    What's the source on the embedded images? Particularly the first one with the red/black armor.
    I believe the picture of the recreation is from this website which has pictures of recreated armors: http://dragonsarmory.blogspot.com/20...han-armor.html
    The website calls it Tong Xiu Kai "筒袖鎧" armor.

    I also happen to have two books about Chinese armors (untranslated unfortunately) called "Ancient Chinese Armor" and "Chinese Armor Ancient to Medieval" that depicts similar looking armor from archaeological discoveries and modern recreations of archaeological discoveries. You can find them on Scribd: https://www.scribd.com/search?conten...mor&language=1
    https://www.scribd.com/doc/64337060/...nt-to-Medieval

    Here are some screenshots from that book - the red/black armor is based on the armor depicted on front cover of the book (picture 1):






    Here are also similar looking armors that have the traits of that red/black armor (long rectangular lamellar plates with armored sleeves composed of smaller lamellar plates):

    Last edited by Intranetusa; May 08, 2019 at 10:36 PM.

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