Not sure about the UK, but nobody in the US who hasn't been convicted of a felony loses their voting rights.
Possession of a gram of weed isn't even a crime in my state, but I think in general, if a crime isn't serious enough to warrant loss of voting rights during time served, it probably shouldn't be considered serious enough to warrant prison time in the first place.
No, the recording clearly points out his was talking about a consensual act, although in vulgar terms (then again, conversation was private and it was years before Trump's plans to join politics). That's not the same ballpark as numerous photos of Biden acting rapey around women.
In general, zero tolerance is the way in the US, it's why there are so many people incarcerated for nonviolent drug offenses. With the War on Drugs, nonviolent drug offenders are stripped of their rights and lose access to services the same as sex offenders and killers.
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Well if you break the law you break the law. Cannabis is a class B drug, which has an up to 5 year penalty for possession.
You don’t need to be violent to break the law. All I’m saying is that prisoners cannot vote in the UK currently, nor should they.
You say that like it’s a bad thing.
Apparently hilarious parody website of Creepy Joe's campaign is actually beating in Google search requests his actual official campaign website. Not off to a good start, eh Joe?
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Joe Biden is pulling ahead in the polls; its looking increasingly likely that he'll beat Sanders to the Democratic presidential candidacy in 2020.
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Who's getting hurt/killed to put potheads in the same bracket as murderers and rapists?
Nonviolent offenders should be allowed to vote. Prison should be about rehabilitation, and this would be part of prison reform.Anyway, Bernie Sanders deserves to be called out for wanting criminals to vote from prison.
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Someone that is in prison has been found guilty of something worthy for the person to go to prison. If a person committed a lighter crime he or she wouldn't get the same punishment as a rapist or murderer: they would serve a lesser sentence.
Serving a sentence means certain things and how naughty the prisoner has been defines for how long they lose certain rights.
The right to vote should be among those rights suspended.
If the USA public or a state's public think a certain action shouldn't be a crime or shouldn't lead to incarceration, they can decriminalize it. They should not change what "imprisonment" means.
Unless potheads spend their life in high security prison or get executed, they are not in the same bracket as murderers and rapists.
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69% of Americans don’t want felons to have the vote. This isn’t an issue Bernie should campaign under, given the small fringe of mostly progressives that support it.
Biden is not Hillary either. Many people in the ue US hated Hillary, and while they did not like Trump at all, they hated Hillary even more. I don't think Biden is as loathed as Hillary was. While Hillary may have had her supporters in the Democratic party, I know many in the last election disliked both candidates, and some of my friends voted 3rd party, where if Biden had been running, they would have easily voted for him over Trump. If Sanderd had been running, I know that I would have voted for him in a heartbeat, but the only candidate I dsliked as much as Trump was Hillary. It was like the catch line to the Aliens vs Predator movie - "no.mstter who wins, you lose".
Bernie would appeal to traditional Democratic voters but he wouldn't appeal at all to voters he typically voted Republican, but don't like Trump. In US politics you can't bbe percieved to be too far off.thr center, either liberal or conservative. Goldwater was too far to the right, and lost big, and McGovern was too far to the left, and also lost big. Reagan won by convincing people.he was just moderate enough to win, that he was not too far to the right. The perseption I have of Sanders is that he is a little too far to the left for many Americans. I think Biden would be a stronger candidate, he has a more moderate, mainsteam perception than Sanders.
Plus, in the primaries, popularity among the rank and file party members counts, since voter turnout is usually very low in the primaries. I think Biden is more popular among the Democratic party.members than Sanders, who has a more Maverick reputation. About the only Democratic candidate who would have lost to Trump was Hillary, yet but he Democratic Party establishment did everything in its power to ensure Hillary would be the candidate. .I think the Democratic Party.estsblishment would prefer Biden over Sanders, and would work to make him the candidate over Sanders. In the election, I think Sanders would be be successfully protrayed as being g too far to the left, his popularity in the last election primary was that he was not Hillary, and refuse to knuckle under to the Hillary jugggernaut. Biden was vice president under Obama, who was popular with many Americans.
I think the Democrats have a good shot at winning the next election, as long as they don't screw up and nominate someone prlercieved as too radical. Of course beating Trump might not be a walk in the park some think. Americans typically heavily favor the incumbent President if the economy is doing well. In the last 60 years, only 3 incumbents failed to get elected - Ford, who was never elected in the first place, and was never forgiven for his pardon of Nixon and a so-so economy, Carter for his 18% inflation and interest rates and his Iranian hostage crisis (rescue attempt was a fiasco), and Bush senior. Even Bush junior got re-elected. The economy is doing well, which is a big thing, and if all the negative press didn't prevent Tump.from being elected in the first place, I wonder how .uch difference it will make in the re-election.
I agree. The issue should be left up to the states, and al states eventually allow ex.felons to vote once they complete their sentences. There are even a couple of states that allow people.to vote while they are still in jail, Maine and Vermont.
This is an issue that should be left up to the states, as is today. It is not a federal issue, and Sanders should not get involved in it.
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I ask a question at 42:55 I didn't get much of an answer, though I got about what I expected. Democrats have been worried about how much data Big Tech is collecting, but are not much interested in protecting free speech.
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