Libs are upset because Jack Dorsey has donated to Tulsi Gabbard (mainly) and Andrew Yang, aka some of the few candidates that are not crazy or evil.
Libs are upset because Jack Dorsey has donated to Tulsi Gabbard (mainly) and Andrew Yang, aka some of the few candidates that are not crazy or evil.
That's true, but part of the reason was that she was a Republican. A Feminazi walking there and shouting her lungs out that these hijab-promoting women were promoting the treatment of women as animals would not have caused as much controversy.
Of course, a Feminazi would never have taken part in a beauty pageant which is the very definition of objectifying women!
But the damn hypocrisy of those guys in the pageant doesn't change what my main point here is:
A lot of moderates in the area, people that watched the pageant etc etc., were made aware that the woman lost her title (partially) because she was Republican on bogus allegations about a statement that had nothing bad on it. And the Democrats can ill afford losing votes in Michigan. They may have won in 2018 but it's not a done deal. Such acts disenfranchise Democrat leaning moderates and energize Republican leaning moderates. It's not that someone that was voting Democrats for the past 20 years will show up in a MAGA hat etc but someone that would be torn between R and D may vote for Trump, while someone that would have voted for Democrats may instead stay home and not vote.
PS. For the record, a beauty queen has every right to express her opinion that Hijabs are expressions of Islamic oppression and I agree with the statement. Trump manages to be seriously offensive in the few words that Tweeter charactercount allows.
Really?
Are you sure that if she said on Tweeter: "So you're telling me that it's now just a fashion accessory and not a religious thing? Or are you just trying to get women used to being oppressed under Christianity?”
the progressives would call her Christianophobic?
Not conservatives (there would be some that would call her Christianophobic), but Progressives?
In my opinion, it is clear that the Beauty Pageant said "Crap, we haven't seen she's a Republican on time" (they haven't vetted her well and that's also documented) and quickly found a miiiinor reason to take her title.
Did the Pageant do that because they were so obsessed with her political opinions? Oooor they did it because as a beauty pageant they are already on target of progressives and ultraconservatives alike? I can't imagine may Hijab-promoting Imams to be supportive of beauty pageants.
True. But Democrats can ill afford to lose votes in a battleground state and this is simply a loss for them because of the way the candidates move for the primaries. And while this is too "Ground level" for presidential candidates, there are local politicians with a lot of power that should be more concerned.There are plenty of things that are far more serious when it comes to the Democratic party.
Because of the "Left flank" of the Democrat party, similar to the Tea Party of the Republicans from the other side, the Democrat candidates must appeal to radical firebrands or they risk losing the primaries.
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Christianity is seen as a religion of power, and as a ‘white’ religion in the power matrix, which is why you have this different treatment of different religions
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Nobody took away her right to an opinion. Is she in jail? Quite frankly, as far as I'm concerned, she gained not just exposure, but improved prospects of employment as a result of this "tragedy". Faux outrage over this injustice is about as genuine as Russian state-run media.
And you think Progressives getting over Christianity is a bad thing? Lol. Progressives getting worked up about this isn't about them being Muslim. It's about them stressing tolerance. Plenty of women who wear Hijbas aren't being oppressed at home, it's a personal choice. No, in this case, it would be Evangelicals and Republicans moaning about how somebody is trying to invoke "White Guilt" instead.Really?
Are you sure that if she said on Tweeter: "So you're telling me that it's now just a fashion accessory and not a religious thing? Or are you just trying to get women used to being oppressed under Christianity?”
the progressives would call her Christianophobic?
Not conservatives (there would be some that would call her Christianophobic), but Progressives?
And by the way, I doubt a vocal progressive journalist who made some anti-Christian remark, would get invited to Republican parties. Nor do I think that's wrong either. Just like I don't think Catholic churches firing closet gays, necessarily a bad thing. They're entitled to their own standards.
I don't care why the Pageant did something. I wouldn't care if the Pageant put up a sign that barred all Republicans from entering. Nor would I care about Chick-Fil-A refusing to serve gays and lesbians. As far as I'm concerned, if the Pageant wants to stress their commitment to what they call "tolerance" and "multiculturalism" then they are doing the right thing.In my opinion, it is clear that the Beauty Pageant said "Crap, we haven't seen she's a Republican on time" (they haven't vetted her well and that's also documented) and quickly found a miiiinor reason to take her title.
Did the Pageant do that because they were so obsessed with her political opinions? Oooor they did it because as a beauty pageant they are already on target of progressives and ultraconservatives alike? I can't imagine may Hijab-promoting Imams to be supportive of beauty pageants.
Small headlines like these are very small factors in campaign politics. Fact is, Democrats suck at playing offense, whereas Republicans are good at it and do it all the time. Instead of focusing on "not offending" key demographics, you should be attacking the very foundations of the Republican party and becoming politically ruthless. As far as I can tell, Republicans have far more party discipline, they are much better at coordinating. Instead of focusing on being morally righteous and whatnot, Democrats should focus more on winning. At the very least, pack the court with decent and moderate men instead of focusing on balance. Start building the America you envision instead of compromising with opponents who will never give you the same benefit.True. But Democrats can ill afford to lose votes in a battleground state and this is simply a loss for them because of the way the candidates move for the primaries. And while this is too "Ground level" for presidential candidates, there are local politicians with a lot of power that should be more concerned.
Because of the "Left flank" of the Democrat party, similar to the Tea Party of the Republicans from the other side, the Democrat candidates must appeal to radical firebrands or they risk losing the primaries.
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Republicans suck at boycotting. If they were any better, companies wouldn't engage in woke bs at all. Instead they do it, lose money and find excuses to blame because the boycotting is mostly at individual level.
I praise Trump for constantly calling out how much liberal media suck though. That's well deserved.
no, christians to their credit generally dont cover their women in rags. It can be made more of historical christianity, not modern one in the west. At once we should dispel the notion that all religions are the same. it is abundandtly clear that no religion is as agressively reactionary as islam today, and that needs to be called out.
I don’t think that’s likely, considering Kathy isn’t white.No, in this case, it would be Evangelicals and Republicans moaning about how somebody is trying to invoke "White Guilt" instead.
And how is what she said comparable to saying something anti-christian?
Religions are all different, in the same way that men and women are different. The difference between Western society and other societies have much less to do with religion, and more to do with secularism, rational thinking, and economic development.
I'm also puzzled by "Muslim aggression". Muslim conquer no territory, they do not exploit Christian countries, nor do they have any designs to do so. The worst we can say about muslim countries in general, is that they are poor, they do not care much for women's rights, and they have issues with their neighbors, notably Israel. These traits aren't unique to Muslim countries, plenty of backwards and poor states share the same issues. Except instead of Israel, they have issues with other countries.
It is less intrusive because of secular institutions and cultural norms, not because Christianity is so much more superior. As far as I'm concerned, all religion is backwards, foolish, and serves as a constraint on human progress. That Western society is so prosperous compared to the rest of the world isn't because of Christianity, in fact today it's in spite of it.
You don't have to be White to invoke White Guilty. I don't understand your second question. Her tweet was an aggressive criticism of Islam, in fact, women who willingly wear the Hijab and like their cultural heritage may easily find it offensive. I dont have an issue with what she said. I also don't have an issue with other people finding what she said offensive (it isn't much of a reach to find her comments offensive), and stripping her of awards that they gave her. In fact, if you really want to stand on principle, everyone should boycott pageants until they deliver a formal apology. But we won't, because mobilizing everyone is hard and not worth it, over what is essentially a non-issue.
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no, they are different in that they literally have different views of how the world works, what god(s) want them to do, how to properly live a life. this matters a lot, specific ideas matter a lot.
islam is s major reason why those things are not found in great abundance in the middle east.The difference between Western society and other societies have much less to do with religion, and more to do with secularism, rational thinking, and economic development.
the religion is aggressively seeking to expand its influence. Muslims are a notoriously hard group to assimilate, because muslim identity usually is stroger than any other. they actively seek political power, they seek accomodation for their way of doing things (segregated bath houses, halal etc), they actively encourage conversion, they are very suspicous of outside influence on their communities. generally speaking of course. All this talk about muslims in recent decades, the problems with assimilation and their problematic values... its not because muslims are unfairly treated.. its because islam itself is problematic. no other group has these kinds of issues.I'm also puzzled by "Muslim aggression".
Really? You think Islam itself is what limited the Middle East from progressing politically? Not like, I don't know, the geopolitical history of the area?
Was the Golden Age of Islam just a myth?
They give birth astride of a grave, the light gleams an instant, then it's night once more.
yes, its quite interesting actually. basically, in earlier days, islam had rival schools of interpretation, some of which were much more tolerant and friendly toward science, which explains their golden age. but after that, conservstive schools took power. and furthermore, when the christians started to surpass the muslims, they could not reconcile being backwards with being a chosen people. they could not simply copy western ideas because they were infidel ideas.
I recommend reading "What went wrong?" by Bernard Lewis. also here is a good youtubd video
https://youtu.be/60JboffOhaw
Because if they tried, they would get their butt kicked. That's all.
Christian countries are powerful countries and despite the religion being peaceful and not calling for holy wars, they bypass "love thy neighbor" and "thou shall not kill" parts and exploit the poor and weak countries regardless of local faith for $$$$, resources and power. They do it for Christian poor countries (Latin America, Africa), they do it for Muslim poor countries and they do it for atheist poor countries (Vietnam and the communist poor states under Russian influence).
If France or England or Germany for example, really wanted and they had the popular will, they could wipe the floor with middle east countries as they are simply much more powerful. Yes, France or England can win a war against say, Egypt and turn it to a colony again. Egypt or Saudi Arabia or Syria cannot conquer parts of Europe.
Weeeeell... it's not like the Rohingya people that are currently being genocided were bothering anybody. They were just an easy target for the Buddhists.
So, what the actually not peaceful muslim countries do? Asymmetric warfare tactics so that they would make an attack on them quite costly = not appealing. Iran for example follows that doctrine. Iraq followed the same doctrine which is the main reason USA didn't simply wipe the floor with Assad and Gadaffi in a 3-month campaign in 2010 ... because they would be bogged in there for 10 years fighting guerrillas while there would be terrorist attacks back home.
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You just described politics. Islam was that way, but then politics happened and now it is this way because the dominate interpretation of the religion changed. So it isn't about the religion having to be a certain way, it can interpreted however, it is about the political situation on the ground. In more recent history, the Middle East has been continuously messed up since the hackneyed carving of their nations post Ottoman Empire. Isn't that more relevant to their political woes than the general concepts of Islam?
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This opinion piece describes what I think is the major sticking point for democrats in 2020.
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They are all systems of worship. Islam and Christianity aren't particularly responsible for living conditions in places of their worship. The government that's in charge of those places, and the laws they institute are. As far as I'm concerned, domestic terrorism (with a large portion of the perpetrators being Christian) are a much greater threat than Islamic terrorism to United States.
Christianity is not the reason why those things are found in the West. As far as I'm concerned, we have progressed in spite of Christianity, not because of it. Though I will applaud Catholic contributions to science and rational thought, in the same way that I will applaud Islam's contributions to those same things many centuries earlier.islam is s major reason why those things are not found in great abundance in the middle east.
Expand its influence? Which Muslim country has annexed Christian land? Which Muslim country has designs to annex Christian land?the religion is aggressively seeking to expand its influence. Muslims are a notoriously hard group to assimilate, because muslim identity usually is stroger than any other. they actively seek political power, they seek accomodation for their way of doing things (segregated bath houses, halal etc), they actively encourage conversion, they are very suspicous of outside influence on their communities. generally speaking of course. All this talk about muslims in recent decades, the problems with assimilation and their problematic values... its not because muslims are unfairly treated.. its because islam itself is problematic. no other group has these kinds of issues.
What about televangelists, missionaries, and radical christian terrorism? Do they get a pass? Or do their efforts to spread Christianity and enforcing their values on others not count because Christianity is the "superior" religion? Islam is about as much of a threat to Western countries as neo-nazis are to the existence of Israel.
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"That's all". Uhh no alhoon. That's basically the de-facto reason why states don't attack each other. The International system is a place of anarchy. If Muslim and Christian countries switched places tomorrow, it'd be Islamic countries railing about the radical Christians and it'd be Christian countries being economically exploited by Muslims.
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