USA Democratic party 2020 candidates and primaries thread

[Infidel144]

ICE has been ignoring the law for years to make their job easier. That's not how a legitimate government agency functions.

What law has ICE been ignoring?

[Gaidin]

What law has ICE been ignoring?

Already posted in 960. If you’re too lazy to read I got nothing.

[Gaidin]

I am loving this:

https://apnews.com/a60820cc046c4d44bf91e384243dc318

Who’s gonna game the system next?

[Infidel144]

Already posted in 960. If you’re too lazy to read I got nothing.

If you are too lazy to provide the law you got nothing.

Here is the US Code to get you started.:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text

[Gaidin]

ICE won’t even follow their own policies regarding veterans. This has been policy for decades. They have been lazy. If they can’t enact their own policy regarding veterans why should I trust them?

Try and answer this on Veterans Day. Or maybe. Wait a day.

[Infidel144]

ICE won’t even follow their own policies regarding veterans. This has been policy for decades. They have been lazy. If they can’t enact their own policy regarding veterans why should I trust them?

Try and answer this on Veterans Day. Or maybe. Wait a day.

You stated, and I quote:
"ICE has been ignoring the law for years to make their job easier."

Are you going to provide "the law" that you have asserted ICE is ignoring?

[Heathen Hammer]

ICE's job is to catch illegal aliens. Claiming that they "ignore the law" by upholding existing legislature is surely a hot take, but I doubt it would stick.

[Gaidin]

Weeee.

Source.

https://www.gao.gov/assets/700/699549.pdf

[Elfdude]

They've ignored privacy laws, they've ignored due process, they've tried to pass off immigration letters as warrants signed by judges, they've broken into people's homes and vehicles. ICE routinely violates local and state law and when they suspect someone is illegal they often violate federal law. There's a reason why they've picked up US citizens numerous times.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...etained-texas/
https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/...htmlstory.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/24/u...migration.html
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ice-l...b086bc1cd4e03f
http://immigrationimpact.com/2019/06...n-courthouses/

There's countless examples of this. Don't get me wrong, police routinely do much of this stuff, but the whole ability to get a lawyer and to get out of an unlawful detainment in 24-72 hours thing makes it miles better than ICE.

[Ludicus]

Sorry, Sanders is not communist.Simply put,it is hard to deny that deregulated capitalism is morally inept. Bernie Sanders on government regulation ( corporate and financial regulation)
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An amazing speech, it's worth reading. Transcript: Bernie Sanders defines his vision for democratic socialism ...
A small excerpt,

...In order to accomplish that goal, it means committing ourselves to protecting political rights, to protecting civil rights – and to protect economic rights of all people in this country.
As FDR stated in his 1944 State of the Union address: “We have come to a clear realization of the fact that true individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence.”

we are proud that our constitution guarantees freedom of religion, freedom of expression, freedom of assembly, a free press and other rights because we understand that we can never have true American freedom unless we are free from authoritarian tyranny.

Now, we must take the next step forward and guarantee every man, woman and child in our country basic economic rights – the right to quality health care, the right to as much education as one needs to succeed in our society, the right to a good job that pays a living wage, the right to affordable housing, the right to a secure retirement, and the right to live in a clean environment.

We must recognize that in the 21st century, in the wealthiest country in the history of the world, economic rights are human rights.
That is what I mean by democratic socialism.
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Let me be clear. I do understand that I and other progressives will face massive attacks from those who attempt to use the word “socialism” as a slur. But I should also tell you that I have faced and overcome these attacks for decades — and I am not the only one.
Let us remember that in 1932, Republican President Herbert Hoover claimed that Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal was, “a disguise for the totalitarian state.”
In 1936 former Democratic New York Governor and presidential candidate Al Smith said in a speech about FDR’s New Deal policies, “Just get the platform of the Democratic Party and get the platform of the Socialist Party and lay them down on your dining-room table, side by side.”
When President Harry Truman proposed a national health care program, the American Medical Association hired Ronald Reagan as their pitchman.
The AMA called the legislation that stemmed from his proposal “socialized medicine” claiming that White House staff were, “followers of the Moscow party line.”
In 1960, Ronald Reagan in a letter to Richard Nixon wrote the following about John F. Kennedy: “Under the tousled boyish haircut is still old Karl Marx.”
In the 1990s, then Congressman Newt Gingrich claimed President Bill Clinton’s health care plan was “centralized bureaucratic socialism.”
The conservative Heritage Foundation has claimed that the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) was “a step towards socialism.”
Former Speaker of the House John Boehner claimed the stimulus package, the omnibus spending bill and the budget proposed by President Barack Obama were “all one big down payment on a new American socialist experiment.”

In this regard, President Harry Truman was right when he said that: “Socialism is the epithet they have hurled at every advance the people have made in the last 20 years…Socialism is what they called Social Security. Socialism is what they called farm price supports. Socialism is what they called bank deposit insurance. Socialism is what they called the growth of free and independent labor organizations. Socialism is their name for almost anything that helps all the people.”

Now let’s be clear: while President Trump and his fellow oligarchs attack us for our support of democratic socialism, they don’t really oppose all forms of socialism.
They may hate democratic socialism because it benefits working people, but they absolutely love corporate socialism that enriches Trump and other billionaires.

But it’s not just Wall Street that loves socialism — when it works for them. It is the norm across the entire corporate world. The truth is corporate America receives hundreds of billions of dollars in federal support every single year, while these same people are trying to cut programs that benefit ordinary Americans.
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When Trump attacks socialism, I am reminded of what Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. said, “This country has socialism for the rich, rugged individualism for the poor.”

What I believe is that the American people deserve freedom – true freedom. Freedom is an often used word but it’s time we took a hard look at what that word actually means. Ask yourself: what does it actually mean to be free?
Are you truly free if you are unable to go to a doctor when you are sick, or face financial bankruptcy when you leave the hospital?
Are you truly free if you cannot afford the prescription drug you need to stay alive?
Are you truly free when you spend half of your limited income on housing, and are forced to borrow money from a payday lender at 200% interest rates.
Are you truly free if you are 70 years old and forced to work because you lack a pension or enough money to retire?
Are you truly free if you are unable to go to attend college or a trade school because your family lacks the income?
Are you truly free if you are forced to work 60 or 80 hours a week because you can’t find a job that pays a living wage?
Are you truly free if you are a mother or father with a new born baby but you are forced to go back to work immediately after the birth because you lack paid family leave?
Are you truly free if you are a small business owner or family farmer who is driven out by the monopolistic practices of big business?
Are you truly free if you are a veteran, who put your life on the line to defend this country, and now sleep out on the streets?
To me, the answer to those questions, in the wealthiest nation on earth, is no, you are not free.

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In fact,there is no freedom without economic freedom. Economy serve the needs of the people instead of the other way around.As he put it, in another speech,Bernie Sanders on socialism

...It depends on what we mean by democratic socialism. What I am trying to do, in many ways, is pick up where Franklin Delano Roosevelt left off. In a not widely publicized State of The Union speech he gave in 1944, this is what he said in so many words: “We have political rights. You have freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of religion. All of that’s great, but what we don’t have are guaranteed economic rights.”

you could vote, but you also have the privilege of sleeping out on the street. You can protest, but you also have the freedom to work 60 or 70 hours a week at starvation wages. You have the freedom not to have health insurance, not to be able to send your kids to college. What I’m trying to do in this campaign is say that economic rights must be considered as human rights.

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In fact, the choice isn't between Capitalism or Communism (God save us...in every single communist country, soon or later, there is an unknown Stalin waiting for you). My country's constitution declares, in the article 9 that one of the fundamental tasks of the state is "to promote the people's well-being and quality of life and real equality between the citizens, as well as the effective implementation of economic, social, cultural and environmental rights by means of the transformation and modernisation of economic and social structures"

[Heathen Hammer]

So now Biden said that "nobody needs a magazine with 100 clips in it". It seems like this is quite typical of people who want to ban or restrict guns to demonstrate extremely little knowledge about the subject matter. Goes to show that gun control narratives mostly rely on ignorance.
It seems like in general Democrats are stuck between the hammer of Creepy Joe's demented behavior and fiscal illiteracy of Warren. Democrat base seems to be a bit too unintelligent to support better candidates like Yang or Gabbard.

[B. W.]

Sorry, Sanders is not communist.Simply put,it is hard to deny that deregulated capitalism is morally inept. Bernie Sanders on government regulation ( corporate and financial regulation)
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An amazing speech, it's worth reading. Transcript: Bernie Sanders defines his vision for democratic socialism ...
A small excerpt,


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In fact,there is no freedom without economic freedom. Economy serve the needs of the people instead of the other way around.As he put it, in another speech,Bernie Sanders on socialism


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In fact, the choice isn't between Capitalism or Communism (God save us...in every single communist country, soon or later, there is an unknown Stalin waiting for you). My country's constitution declares, in the article 9 that one of the fundamental tasks of the state is "to promote the people's well-being and quality of life and real equality between the citizens, as well as the effective implementation of economic, social, cultural and environmental rights by means of the transformation and modernisation of economic and social structures"

If you want to start to clearly see the difference between socialist and conservatives go to the third paragraph of the first speech and substitute the word "opportunity" for the word "rights" and you will begin to see the difference. Bernie's version has been tried in Russia, China, Venezuela, Bolivia, etc.

[PointOfViewGun]

If you want to start to clearly see the difference between socialist and conservatives go to the third paragraph of the first speech and substitute the word "opportunity" for the word "rights" and you will begin to see the difference. Bernie's version has been tried in Russia, China, Venezuela, Bolivia, etc.

Are you confusing Russia, China, Venezuela, Bolivia with countries like Germany, Denmark, Sweden, or Norway?

[Ludicus]

... to the third paragraph of the first speech.

Now, we must take the next step forward and guarantee every man, woman and child in our country basic economic rights – the right to quality health care, the right to as much education as one needs to succeed in our society, the right to a good job that pays a living wage, the right to affordable housing, the right to a secure retirement, and the right to live in a clean environment.

Healthcare is not a choice, healthcare is a human right.The right to education has been recognized as a human right in a number of international conventions, WHO, the Universal declaration of Human Rights, the European Union agency for Fundamental rights.Bernie's version has been tried in Europe; Europe is not communist.

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Back to the Opening Post."The successes of President Donald Trump and their under-reporting by the media"
Another "huge success" of Trump, US changes stance on Israeli settlements

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said that the government will no longer abide by a 1978 State Department legal opinion that found civilian settlements in occupied territories as inconsistent with international law.

What If The World Treated The U.S. Like a Rogue State | HuffPost

A political scientist compared the present incarnation of the US to a "A large, powerful, overgrown child with a handgun. How do you deal with that"?

[Gaidin]

Healthcare is not a choice, healthcare is a human right.The right to education has been recognized as a human right in a number of international conventions, WHO, the Universal declaration of Human Rights, the European Union agency for Fundamental rights.Bernie's version has been tried in Europe; Europe is not communist.

You gotta understand. BW is content to just let people without money die in pain.

[Ferdiad]

Sorry, Sanders is not communist.Simply put,it is hard to deny that deregulated capitalism is morally inept. Bernie Sanders on government regulation ( corporate and financial regulation)
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An amazing speech, it's worth reading. Transcript: Bernie Sanders defines his vision for democratic socialism ...
A small excerpt,


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In fact,there is no freedom without economic freedom. Economy serve the needs of the people instead of the other way around.As he put it, in another speech,Bernie Sanders on socialism


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In fact, the choice isn't between Capitalism or Communism (God save us...in every single communist country, soon or later, there is an unknown Stalin waiting for you). My country's constitution declares, in the article 9 that one of the fundamental tasks of the state is "to promote the people's well-being and quality of life and real equality between the citizens, as well as the effective implementation of economic, social, cultural and environmental rights by means of the transformation and modernisation of economic and social structures"

Sanders is a social democrat but for some reason he calls himself a socialist when he's not even near that. Worse he's allowed the right in America to paint his polices as outright socialism instead of just adjustments to capitalism.

[Ludicus]

Sanders is a social democrat but for some reason he calls himself a socialist when he's not even near that.

Why do you say that? there are European countries which refer to themselves as Socialists.
About Us - Party of European Socialists
Leadership - Party of European Socialists
History - Party of European Socialists
European social democracy is a blend of socialist policies (providing state healthcare, social security, and worker's compensation, etc., with capitalist features - private property and the democratic process. I think I have already shared this article A European Socialist Has Some Advice for Bernie Sanders -

...A Dutch senator thinks the 2020 contender should stay positive and address local issues—and also says European leftists could learn from Sanders.
But even if socialist is no longer one of the most taboo words in American politics, Sanders still has his work cut out for him...
...In other words, in order to make the U.S. more like a European-style nation with a strong social safety net, Sanders will need to make America's politics more like Europe's, where both moderate and radical socialist parties have been part of the mainstream for decades. For example, 154 members of European Union Parliament from 26 countries belong to the Party of European Socialists, and governments like Portugal's are ruled by a coalition of socialists, communists, and Greens.

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I have to say his Israel policies are really top-notch

I have to say that his Israel policies are "top-illegal". Trump's shift comes just a week since the European court of justice ruled (1) products made in Israeli illegal colonates must be properly labelled.
(1) The European court of justice said: "Foodstuffs originating in the territories occupied by the state of Israel must bear the indication of their territory of origin".
In fact, the European Union's foreign policy chief, Federica Mogherini, said the EU policy on Israeli settlements "is clear and remains unchanged: all settlement activity is illegal under international law and it erodes the viability of the two-state solution and the prospects for a lasting peace". Statement by High Representative/Vice-President Federica Mogherini
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US is acting as a rogue state. That's the reason why Samanth Subramanian writes (previous post) "Two years ago, Mary Robinson, a former UN special envoy on climate change, called the U.S. "a rogue state" for quitting the Paris accord. It's common now for foreign policy professionals from America's traditional allies to murmur brokenly about the "rules-based order" as if they were standing at the bedside of a dear, dying friend".
Well, I'm quite confident that the American "patient" will recover soon- after the 2020 Presidential elections.

[Infidel144]

Why do you say that? there are European countries which refer to themselves as Socialists.
About Us - Party of European Socialists
Leadership - Party of European Socialists
History - Party of European Socialists

Which European countries?

[alhoon]

https://news.yahoo.com/tulsi-gabbard...031939352.html

Man, I fully believe Tulsi Gabbard is the best candidate on that stage after she wrecked K. Harris. It is unfortunate that in a stage with so many men, a woman carries the biggest balls, but she totally does. If I was a citizen of the USA, I would feel much much safer if Tulsi Gabbard was PotUS than anyone else from either side.


And then: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-confirms.html

So, after ####ing his brother's widow, Hunter Biden sired a bastard with a different woman (while still dating his brother's widow) and then married secretly someone else a year later? Seriously?
I mean, come on, this is too extreme to actually be true, right?

But if it is (I am seriously not convinced because of the absurdity of it, it sounds like an Alex Jones conspiracy) ... it makes me seriously question Joe Biden's skills as a father to have raised such a butthole for a son. A man that failed that hard with his own family, even if he is a nice person himself, should not IMO be president. Especially in his advanced age as he will rely on his butthole son more and more.

[Prodromos]

Are you aware who the current president is? Given a choice between someone whose son is sexually evil vs someone who is sexually evil, it's really a no-brainer.