Page 1 of 24 1234567891011 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 470

Thread: USA Democratic party 2020 candidates and primaries thread

  1. #1
    alhoon's Avatar Moderator
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Chania, Greece
    Posts
    20,918

    Default USA Democratic party 2020 candidates and primaries thread

    The democrats are having a huge field of declared candidates at present that will compete between themselves in the primaries in order to win the nomination and then move on to face against Donald Trump in November 2020.
    With the USA elections about a year and a half away and the first primary elections less than a year away, I believe it is time start a discussion about the candidates, the primaries and the procedure.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_D...tial_primaries

    The list of candidates for the democrats is very large and diverse with moderates to more fringe politicians, people of all ages, newcomers and old faces, people of various ethnic and religious backgrounds and sexual orientations.
    Do you think this multi-voice (some would say cacophony) of potential candidates will end up harming the democrats (disunity over very different agendas) or help them (polyphony, draw in various groups that will in the end support the candidate whomever he or she is).
    Personally, I think the group is too diverse and the various shouting matches between the democrats turning on each other as candidates come and go will harm the party.

    There have been changes since the 2016, with the superdelegates having to sit at the bench and not vote before the first round is completed. Do you think such reforms help? Are they meaningful or just placating the angry Sanders fans of 2016?
    In the 2016 elections, I was saying again and again that 15% split between two candidates is nothing. Had one candidate got 65% and the other 35% a clear-cut popular will, the SDelegates couldn't do crap to change it, nor they would dare. In pesky 53%/47% cases, i.e. both candidates being about equal, yes, they would play a role which is IMO a good thing. If the Republicans had SDelegates then Donald Trump would have been making a much more tame and moderate game to earn their votes instead of just divisive populist rhetorics and he may not even have got the nomination if the people that know how government works, people with experience, had their thumb on the scale.
    HOWEVER that was then. In a field of 20 candidates, It would be insane if Superdelegates voted in the first round. An adjustment of 5%, is minor in a 53% / 47% split. It is however huge in a 9/9/8/8/7/7/7/6/6/5/5/5/4/4/4/3/3 split.


    There are a lot of women on the democratic field. I like that. I am not sure why I like that, because I am against Feminists, SJWs, PC and Multi-culti crap. But... there's something feeling right with many candidates being women. If anything, so many women there, treated as equals by most, allows us to point out to Feminazis bemoaning the evil patriarchy their foolishness.
    I would love for a moderate (not SJW, no leftwing) woman to win. Again, just the expression of some Trump supporters and politicians would be hilarious. Sorry if I act as this is a show for my entertainment, but it would be entertaining.


    Last but not least, the list of candidates includes some of the oldest candidates in history. Out of the 20 candidates so far, 7 are above 65. Biden and Sanders are old, very old. They would be well in their 80s by the time they finish their first term if they are elected. And then, there's an 88 years old fellow running. When there's well founded concern you may not make it to the election alive, you're too old to run.
    I can't understand why there are arbitrary term limits blocking a good politician from running whatever the voters think of him or her, but there are no limits on the upper age.

    So... what do you think?
    DIE: Diversity, Inclusion, Equality (Pun on SJWs, I am not far-right)
    _______________________________________________________
    Beta-tester for Darthmod Empire, the default modification for Empire Total War that does not ask for your money behind patreon.

    Developer of Causa Belli submod for Darthmod, headed by Hammeredalways and a ton of other people.
    Developer of LtC: Random maps submod for Lands to Conquer (that brings a multitude of random maps and other features).

  2. #2
    NorseThing's Avatar Moderator
    Join Date
    Jul 2017
    Location
    western usa
    Posts
    3,041

    Default Re: USA Democratic party 2020 candidates and primaries thread

    THe field is moving to far to the left with many candidates promising free lunches for support. The gag prize probably goes to supporting Medicare for all, but free college tuition may be the biggest mistake these candidates are making. If they think going left to win the nomination and then swinging to the center in the general election is a winning strategy, just ask Hillary Clinton how well that worked out in the era of the internet. Your promises you make early will be remembered.

    It is probably to early to tell who the strong candidates are, but as Alhoon pointed out, there are a great many and I think more are likely to still announce. Partially this may be a year to have a collection of 'favorite son' candidates so that the political pros get to dive in at the convention after the first round. Even my state of Colorado ay have one or two 'favorite son' possibles that make it to the convention. Not too crazy about the ex governor, but the Senator Michael Bennet may be a dark horse worth watching. His 'experience' with Denver Public Schools as superintendent may dog him if ever he gets a nomination for the general election (VP if anything).

  3. #3

    Default Re: USA Democratic party 2020 candidates and primaries thread

    Bernie Sanders saying that the Boston Marathon bomber should vote was pretty comical.

  4. #4

    Default Re: USA Democratic party 2020 candidates and primaries thread

    Quote Originally Posted by tgoodenow View Post
    Bernie Sanders saying that the Boston Marathon bomber should vote was pretty comical.
    I'm serious this makes me want a gif party every party every Friday for what happened the previous week.

    Legit post don't delete. This could be fun. The fact that I have to say this line on this forum is sad.
    One thing is for certain: the more profoundly baffled you have been in your life, the more open your mind becomes to new ideas.
    -Neil deGrasse Tyson

    Let's think the unthinkable, let's do the undoable. Let us prepare to grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after all.

  5. #5
    Katsumoto's Avatar Quae est infernum es
    Moderator Emeritus

    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Posts
    11,707

    Default Re: USA Democratic party 2020 candidates and primaries thread

    This talk of going with a 'true progressive' or whatever sounds like a recipe for disaster in my opinion. America is so divided that any whiff of 'socialism' will just provide more ammunition for the already rabid right-wing media. This election needs someone to bridge the gap, someone like Biden, a moderate who has cross-party appeal and can match Trump's... presence.
    "I pray Heaven to bestow the best of blessings on this house and all that shall hereafter inhabit it. May none but honest and wise men ever rule under this roof."
    - John Adams, on the White House, in a letter to Abigail Adams (2 November 1800)

  6. #6

    Default Re: USA Democratic party 2020 candidates and primaries thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidin View Post
    I'm serious this makes me want a gif party every party every Friday for what happened the previous week.

    Legit post don't delete. This could be fun. The fact that I have to say this line on this forum is sad.
    I'm not sure what you're trying to convey here. But what's your thoughts on tsarnaev voting?

    Andrew Yang is another interesting candidate, hope he gets some airtime on the debate stage.

  7. #7
    alhoon's Avatar Moderator
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Chania, Greece
    Posts
    20,918

    Default Re: USA Democratic party 2020 candidates and primaries thread

    Quote Originally Posted by tgoodenow View Post
    But what's your thoughts on tsarnaev voting?
    While the question wasn't directed to me, I will answer it: I consider long-sentence prisoners voting a very bad idea. I can understand people that will be out of prison in a year, having served a couple of years prior, having the right to vote. But someone that will spend loooong time in prison and has spent a good deal of time inside it already is both disconnected with what is happening in society and what will happen soon.
    Now, people like the Boston bomber... Certainly not. He is crazy, to put it bluntly. I don't think people with severe mental disorders should be having a say on who would govern the people outside.
    Simply put, the opinion of a citizen of Laos would be more relevant and the election results would potentially affect him more than people like the Boston Bomber.

    Quote Originally Posted by Katsumoto View Post
    This talk of going with a 'true progressive' or whatever sounds like a recipe for disaster in my opinion. America is so divided that any whiff of 'socialism' will just provide more ammunition for the already rabid right-wing media. This election needs someone to bridge the gap, someone like Biden, a moderate who has cross-party appeal and can match Trump's... presence.
    I agree, but I don't think 150-years-old Biden is the answer. Not to mention the feminists in the democrat camp and the conservatives in the republican camp will use his touchy-feely past as ammunition to lower the debate to their level and wrestle with Biden in the mud.
    DIE: Diversity, Inclusion, Equality (Pun on SJWs, I am not far-right)
    _______________________________________________________
    Beta-tester for Darthmod Empire, the default modification for Empire Total War that does not ask for your money behind patreon.

    Developer of Causa Belli submod for Darthmod, headed by Hammeredalways and a ton of other people.
    Developer of LtC: Random maps submod for Lands to Conquer (that brings a multitude of random maps and other features).

  8. #8

    Default Re: USA Democratic party 2020 candidates and primaries thread

    It seems that Democrats didn't learn from 2016 at all. One can already tell that Bernie and pretty much any grassroots candidate will be shoved aside to pave way to Biden who himself is a non-charismatic boomer, mostly known for being creepy around women. Like the couldn't really find a moderate candidate that doesn't have Internet full of pictures of himself groping women like he's some kind of geriatric Ted Bundy? Then again, even if Sanders did get the primaries, he'd be destroyed by Trump on economic questions.
    Yang is an interesting character indeed. He could have a shot if he ran for GOP ticket after Trump's second term.

  9. #9

    Default Re: USA Democratic party 2020 candidates and primaries thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Katsumoto View Post
    This talk of going with a 'true progressive' or whatever sounds like a recipe for disaster in my opinion. America is so divided that any whiff of 'socialism' will just provide more ammunition for the already rabid right-wing media. This election needs someone to bridge the gap, someone like Biden, a moderate who has cross-party appeal and can match Trump's... presence.
    I tend to agree. There is a significant difference between the views and interests of the average Democrat voter and those propagated by Democratic activists online. At this stage, Biden looks like a reasonable choice to me.

  10. #10
    Katsumoto's Avatar Quae est infernum es
    Moderator Emeritus

    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Posts
    11,707

    Default Re: USA Democratic party 2020 candidates and primaries thread

    Quote Originally Posted by ep1c_fail View Post
    I tend to agree. There is a significant difference between the views and interests of the average Democrat voter and those propagated by Democratic activists online. At this stage, Biden looks like a reasonable choice to me.
    Yeah, the NYT actually ran an article recently highlighting exactly that:

    Less engaged and less ideological voters tend to be cynical about politics. One might think cynicism would translate to support for outsider candidates, and it probably could against an establishment favorite with enough flaws. Instead, it has more often meant skepticism of ambitious, idealistic, pie-in-the-sky liberals and progressives who offer big promises with no record. It has meant an appreciation for well-known, battle-tested politicians who have been on their side or even delivered in the past. This election cycle, Mr. Biden might be the beneficiary of such sentiment.
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...real-life.html
    "I pray Heaven to bestow the best of blessings on this house and all that shall hereafter inhabit it. May none but honest and wise men ever rule under this roof."
    - John Adams, on the White House, in a letter to Abigail Adams (2 November 1800)

  11. #11

    Default Re: USA Democratic party 2020 candidates and primaries thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Katsumoto View Post
    Yeah, the NYT actually ran an article recently highlighting exactly that:

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...real-life.html
    As you've mentioned one of Biden's strengths is that he doesn't inspire widespread revulsion; exhaustion with left-wing radicalism and Trumpism may very well work in his favour. Of the currently declared Democratic candidates I think he has the broadest appeal both within the party and nationally.

  12. #12

    Default Re: USA Democratic party 2020 candidates and primaries thread

    When Clinton lost the elections she was nowhere to be found. Sanders continued the fight. Biden is not much of a different candidate compared to Clinton. It's time Democrats realize the value of Sanders. They need him to be the candidate.
    The Armenian Issue
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/group.php?groupid=1930

    Cities: Skylines
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...ities-Skylines

    "We're nice mainly because we're rich and comfortable."

  13. #13

    Default Re: USA Democratic party 2020 candidates and primaries thread

    Quote Originally Posted by PointOfViewGun View Post
    When Clinton lost the elections she was nowhere to be found. Sanders continued the fight. Biden is not much of a different candidate compared to Clinton. It's time Democrats realize the value of Sanders. They need him to be the candidate.
    Current polling seems to indicate that Sanders and Biden are the only candidates with a realistic prospect of securing the nomination. Biden may not be much different from Clinton on policy, but that's not where Hillary lost the election.

  14. #14
    Aexodus's Avatar Persuasion>Coercion
    Join Date
    May 2017
    Location
    NI
    Posts
    6,039

    Default Re: USA Democratic party 2020 candidates and primaries thread

    To be honest I can’t see the American public completely looking past Bernie’s Socialist label, or his past support or infatuation of socialist regimes, such as his honeymoon location.
    Patronised by Pontifex Maximus
    Quote Originally Posted by Sukiyama View Post
    Political violence wasn't started or popularized by Nazis, nor is there any association between the two. The fact that Antifa violently respond to far-right movements is a sign of a healthy and responsible polity, not authoritarian groupthink. Indeed, political violence is often the most effective and most responsible method to prevent normalization of abhorrent ideas.

  15. #15

    Default Re: USA Democratic party 2020 candidates and primaries thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Aexodus View Post
    To be honest I can’t see the American public completely looking past Bernie’s Socialist label, or his past support or infatuation of socialist regimes, such as his honeymoon location.
    That's gotta be the most pathetic reason for opposing his candidacy.
    The Armenian Issue
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/group.php?groupid=1930

    Cities: Skylines
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...ities-Skylines

    "We're nice mainly because we're rich and comfortable."

  16. #16
    Aexodus's Avatar Persuasion>Coercion
    Join Date
    May 2017
    Location
    NI
    Posts
    6,039

    Default Re: USA Democratic party 2020 candidates and primaries thread

    He literally honeymooned in the soviet union mate
    Patronised by Pontifex Maximus
    Quote Originally Posted by Sukiyama View Post
    Political violence wasn't started or popularized by Nazis, nor is there any association between the two. The fact that Antifa violently respond to far-right movements is a sign of a healthy and responsible polity, not authoritarian groupthink. Indeed, political violence is often the most effective and most responsible method to prevent normalization of abhorrent ideas.

  17. #17

    Default Re: USA Democratic party 2020 candidates and primaries thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Aexodus View Post
    He literally honeymooned in the soviet union mate
    He literally had to spend his first trip after getting married, as the mayor of Burlington, as part of a 12-people delegation, in Yaroslavl as part of the sister-city program, which is still in operation till this day, with the delegation trip date was already set before the wedding date decision. So on and on. As I said, opposing Sanders because he "honeymooned" outside of Moscow is as pathetic as it gets. He doesn't even need to provide any reasoning for his "honeymoon" choice.
    The Armenian Issue
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/group.php?groupid=1930

    Cities: Skylines
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...ities-Skylines

    "We're nice mainly because we're rich and comfortable."

  18. #18
    alhoon's Avatar Moderator
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Chania, Greece
    Posts
    20,918

    Default Re: USA Democratic party 2020 candidates and primaries thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Aexodus View Post
    To be honest I can’t see the American public completely looking past Bernie’s Socialist label, or his past support or infatuation of socialist regimes, such as his honeymoon location.
    Obama and Trump stayed inside Moscow. It's not that he spent time in Soviet Union as a politician that is the problem; it's that he's as far left as it goes economically.
    DIE: Diversity, Inclusion, Equality (Pun on SJWs, I am not far-right)
    _______________________________________________________
    Beta-tester for Darthmod Empire, the default modification for Empire Total War that does not ask for your money behind patreon.

    Developer of Causa Belli submod for Darthmod, headed by Hammeredalways and a ton of other people.
    Developer of LtC: Random maps submod for Lands to Conquer (that brings a multitude of random maps and other features).

  19. #19
    Katsumoto's Avatar Quae est infernum es
    Moderator Emeritus

    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Posts
    11,707

    Default Re: USA Democratic party 2020 candidates and primaries thread

    How is Bernie 'as far left as it goes economically'?
    "I pray Heaven to bestow the best of blessings on this house and all that shall hereafter inhabit it. May none but honest and wise men ever rule under this roof."
    - John Adams, on the White House, in a letter to Abigail Adams (2 November 1800)

  20. #20
    Aexodus's Avatar Persuasion>Coercion
    Join Date
    May 2017
    Location
    NI
    Posts
    6,039

    Default Re: USA Democratic party 2020 candidates and primaries thread

    Because he wants to incrementally end capitalism in the long run.
    Patronised by Pontifex Maximus
    Quote Originally Posted by Sukiyama View Post
    Political violence wasn't started or popularized by Nazis, nor is there any association between the two. The fact that Antifa violently respond to far-right movements is a sign of a healthy and responsible polity, not authoritarian groupthink. Indeed, political violence is often the most effective and most responsible method to prevent normalization of abhorrent ideas.

Page 1 of 24 1234567891011 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •