Diplomacy - tributes

**Rad** · April 12, 2019, 11:57 AM

Hello everyone!

I hope someone can answer a question that has been bothering me.

I recently made peace with a faction. I asked for 4000 mnai, they accepted. Their wealth went from "meagre" to "bankrupt".

Can a faction go into into the negative (debt) when it gives the player such a monetary tribute, or is it only capable of accepting demands it can actually bankroll?

**tentaku** · April 12, 2019, 12:55 PM

I suspect computer's idea of money is flawed. I used to try to ask computer for loan, I demand 2000 coins, but I offer to pay back 2500 coins in 4 turns, that's a good deal right? 20% interest rate for a one-year loan is good for them... and they would not accept....

**Jervaj** · April 12, 2019, 12:56 PM

From some experiment I did a while ago, they can not go into the negatives. Even with force diplomacy.

I think this works even for regular tribute. They have to have the amount you demand per turn at the moment to be able to accept.

**Rad** · April 12, 2019, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by Jervaj

From some experiment I did a while ago, they can not go into the negatives. Even with force diplomacy.

I think this works even for regular tribute. They have to have the amount you demand per turn at the moment to be able to accept.

I hope that's true. I feel kind of bad for making that faction go "bankrupt".

**Dooz** · April 12, 2019, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by tentaku

I suspect computer's idea of money is flawed. I used to try to ask computer for loan, I demand 2000 coins, but I offer to pay back 2500 coins in 4 turns, that's a good deal right? 20% interest rate for a one-year loan is good for them... and they would not accept....

Maybe you're an untrustworthy scumbag and they know you'll declare war on them soon as you get your initial sum, never to pay them back with anything but the blood if their wives and children?

**tentaku** · April 12, 2019, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by Dooz

Maybe you're an untrustworthy scumbag and they know you'll declare war on them soon as you get your initial sum, never to pay them back with anything but the blood if their wives and children?

who says the AI is bad in this game

**QuintusSertorius** · April 13, 2019, 04:11 AM

AI factions can't go bankrupt, the finance script zeros their debt every turn. The CAI doesn't "know" that though, which makes it curious that they'd accept that "deal".

**Rad** · April 13, 2019, 05:22 AM

When a faction is listed as "bankrupt", it does not necessarrily mean it's without cash in this game. There's an upper threshold.

The script doesn't work during the player's turn, right? I wonder if one can temporarily drive the AI into debt by asking for more money than it has.