Diese Menschheit und das wahre Du bist eine Fiktion

**Amorphos** · March 10, 2019, 03:52 PM

Diese Menschheit und das wahre Du bist eine Fiktion

That humanity and the real you are a fiction

Men look towards women to see what they want them to be, and vice versa, man becomes an interpretation of what he thinks that is, woman same. To to be a man is at best a representation of expectations based on subjective interpretations. Thing is, we’ve been doing this for many tens of thousands of years, ergo we will be built in the form of that reflection.

I could ramble on about how false everything we are actually is, and that there can be no real you ~ but it can be rounded up in the notion that; there is no ship of Theseus to begin with. The natural being has always been a conditioned one, and it has always been based upon a subjective interpretation of one individual/group upon another. However, that we are not made is a good thing, because that means we can forge ourselves.

- God could have built a perfect world, but it would be populated by idiots. You have to have the thing which builds the thing, the world, our lives and everything, are the forge, we are the sword. Some say that the world is manifest of Satan, only he could build such a ghastly game of death world. Yet Satan is the deceiver and the illusion, wherever we look to find angels and demons we instead find something which is not either of those things.

And who is it that makes the world bad? Well germs and cancer do, …but apart from that. Even then, everything in the observable world can be surmounted, its up to us find ways. We shouldn’t expect a God who built this world I.e. as the thing which can do the thing, to come in and change it for us. Even if you started out with perfect patterns, once the world starts turning ~ so to say, the patterns cannot be both affecting and have their own integrity remain intact. once you have the thing which can make another thing, then that will reoccur until stopped, so now you got the machine and not just Gods creation.

The creation of the world was never meant to be set in stone such to be determined. Only a God of >all things< would have a body which is nature and therefore cannot be changed. Its a bit like if God created the stone he couldn’t lift, except that he and nature are the same thing, and there are no other forces even his own which are outside the system.

I still think he can change stuff though. He just doesn’t! maybe suffering is part of that from whence we gain gnosis, but I feel there is something more concrete that such notions going on? Then again, maybe you would feel very strongly about how your children suffer and what that means ~ because its so bad. If it means a lot to the nth degree, and the gain is much, then mostly you wouldn’t interfere.

**Bob69Joe** · March 11, 2019, 08:08 PM

There's probably a far more succinct way of addressing it is whatever you are wanting to address. Keep it up!

On a tangent of Satan, I find it fascinating. Satan attempts to usurp God(Judeo-Christian, thus with differing metaphor from what else may be described or intuited by others), using his powers. Satan doesn't succeed. So, Satan lacked mastery, but God granted him that mastery after he once failed in his power. Satan may have known the extant to his own powers, but didn't know or wasn't certain of the extant of God. That can be called hubris, the Greek for pride. Having expended, or dispensed, with the entirety of his, Satan's, being, he discovers the eternal beyond a mere self.

World and self as a fiction is an argument as old as the Aryan Upanishads. "Being," "Becoming." Shiva-shakti. I definitely recommend Aldous Huxley(Brave New World, anyone?) for his Perennial Philosophy. https://archive.org/details/perennia...505mbp/page/n7

This introduction, by Aldous Huxley to a translation of the Bhagavad Gita, is in itself a scholarly definition of perennial philosophy, the answers that men throughout the ages have consistently returned to, no matter the material they had with them at the time.

http://parvati.tripod.com/perennial.html

**Amorphos** · March 11, 2019, 11:13 PM

thanks for the links. i have read the gita, upanishads etc. i agree the argument is as old as days, but the natural being aspect is currently being seen differently via evolution and Nietzsche's work etc. hence i wanted to address the notions that the earth is not manifest of divinity. for me physics only exist such that the quality can exist, e.g. colour, consciousness, observation.

**Bob69Joe** · March 17, 2019, 11:31 PM

The bright lights of the toxic holocaust will provide ample enjoyment for all men to die a'right. In the mean time, we can laugh and skim over some wise words. Some of these links may be inadequate, some are certainly worthy of investment, then there is Lao Tzu.

"The Multiple States of the Being is the companion to, and the completion of, The Symbolism of the Cross, which, together withMan and His Becoming according to the Vedanta, constitute René Guénon’s great trilogy of pure metaphysics. In this work, Guénon offers a masterful explication of the metaphysical order and its multiple manifestations—of the divine hierarchies and what has been called the Great Chain of Being—and in so doing demonstrates howjnana, intellective or intrinsic knowledge of what is, and of That which is Beyond what is, is a Way of Liberation. Guénon the metaphysical social critic, master of arcane symbolism, comparative religionist, researcher of ancient mysteries and secret histories, summoner to spiritual renewal, herald of the end days, disappears here. Reality remains."

Reality remains! What an introduction! http://www.sophiaperennis.com/books/...-of-the-being/
A small spark to light a way, from Professor Godwin.

This is as much as I could find in a short time searching for Christian philosophy from Meister Eckhart(Germania Über Alles!!!).
https://www.ccel.org/ccel/eckhart/sermons.html
https://www.ccel.org/ccel/eckhart/mystische.html

...and, least and most of all, Lao Tzu.
http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/author/2427