Is it Game Over on the climate front?

[Genava]

I see your point. It's unscientific to pick and chose data to make the result come out the way you want it to! Of course if you're being paid to manipulate data then it's OK.

USA Temperature: can I sucker you?
https://tamino.wordpress.com/2018/08...-i-sucker-you/

Meanwhile, the yearly fiasco of AGW fools going to the poles to see the melting sea ice and having to be rescued because they've become stuck in ice continues:

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...polar_ice.html

You are so naive... so easy to fool. Do you realize that sea ice fluctuate day to day thanks to weather? The sea ice decline is a long term trend, variability day to day is still high. It is especially strong close to islands like in this case.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlVXOC6a3ME

[Daruwind]

I see your point. It's unscientific to pick and chose data to make the result come out the way you want it to! Of course if you're being paid to manipulate data then it's OK.

If the BOW data are manipulated, then picking right data should prove it...right? But he is using different data which i bet cannot be directly compared. Thus proving nothing...

[B. W.]

USA Temperature: can I sucker you?
https://tamino.wordpress.com/2018/08...-i-sucker-you/



You are so naive... so easy to fool. Do you realize that sea ice fluctuate day to day thanks to weather? The sea ice decline is a long term trend, variability day to day is still high. It is especially strong close to islands like in this case.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlVXOC6a3ME

If the BOW data are manipulated, then picking right data should prove it...right? But he is using different data which i bet cannot be directly compared. Thus proving nothing...

As of 2012, over 20 billion had been spent on "climate research" with an IPCC mandate to find evidence of man-made global warming:

https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...-warming-panel

I think it's time for another audit. From the report:

The IPCC’s Fourth Assessment Report (AR4), released in 2007, included several errors, including claims that the Himalayan glaciers would melt by the year 2035, which the IPCC, in a statement, later admitted was based on inconclusive data.

[Cyclops]

Well on the ground the farmers in my family are appalled at the long term trends. People I know in Queensland are seeing a bushfire season in September, that's early spring here. Usually it's early summer (December).

Theres significant climate change occurring in Australia.

[Genava]

The IPCC’s Fourth Assessment Report (AR4), released in 2007, included several errors, including claims that the Himalayan glaciers would melt by the year 2035, which the IPCC, in a statement, later admitted was based on inconclusive data.

The IPCC are producing a huge synthesis of hundreds and hundreds of scientific publications. They did a mistake, they admitted it and it does not have anything to do with bad intent. Moreover it does not contradict the core of their message, this is a detail. Only those who do not do anything are never wrong. Apply your own reasoning to your own side, to the blogs you are using constantly. Thousands of nonsense arguments, thousands of lies filled with idiotic reasoning simply to butter up the ideological and crusader mind of conservative MAGA boys that cannot see any facts without distorting those in a nonsense mind-boggling conspiracy that is making McCarthyism looking as something rational, intelligent and objective in comparison.

[Knight of Heaven]

"Scientist Wants to End ‘Conservative’ Taboo Against Cannibalism to Fight Climate Change"


https://pluralist.com/magnus-soderlu...limate-change/


The world is going mad. And how is it a Conservative taboo??!
Ridiculous.

[B. W.]

The IPCC are producing a huge synthesis of hundreds and hundreds of scientific publications. They did a mistake, they admitted it and it does not have anything to do with bad intent. Moreover it does not contradict the core of their message, this is a detail. Only those who do not do anything are never wrong. Apply your own reasoning to your own side, to the blogs you are using constantly. Thousands of nonsense arguments, thousands of lies filled with idiotic reasoning simply to butter up the ideological and crusader mind of conservative MAGA boys that cannot see any facts without distorting those in a nonsense mind-boggling conspiracy that is making McCarthyism looking as something rational, intelligent and objective in comparison.

^A member of a doomsday cult calls me a conspiracy theorist. lol.

[The spartan]

^A member of a doomsday cult calls me a conspiracy theorist. lol.

Science is a doomsday cult, everybody.

[Genava]

"Scientist Wants to End ‘Conservative’ Taboo Against Cannibalism to Fight Climate Change"


https://pluralist.com/magnus-soderlu...limate-change/


The world is going mad. And how is it a Conservative taboo??!
Ridiculous.

Already posted.

Pause for humour- Soderlund is my favorite candidate for the IgNobel prize of economics.
Scientist suggests 'eating human meat' to tackle climate change

Well, he was deadly serious. I think he might have been inspired by...

"""Scientist""" a nice tentative to build a strawman argument in the media

This BS is spreading only because it is a nice strawman argument and a buzz (opportunity to get money for the media), a very very little number of people is defending his view.

^A member of a doomsday cult calls me a conspiracy theorist. lol.

Funny because I don't like doomsday prediction. Neither Michael Mann by the way:

Doomsday scenarios are as harmful as climate change denial
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...f40_story.html

[B. W.]

Already posted.





This BS is spreading only because it is a nice strawman argument and a buzz (opportunity to get money for the media), a very very little number of people is defending his view.



Funny because I don't like doomsday prediction. Neither Michael Mann by the way:

Doomsday scenarios are as harmful as climate change denial
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...f40_story.html

No one I know is denying climate change.

Here's the way it works for climate study money. Researcher gets money to prove effects of CO2 damage to the climate. University gets cut of that grant money. Fact.

In the case of Mann, he was discredited for publishing fraudulent data, but the University that he worked for defended him because they get a cut of the money. Other universities also receiving money defend him because it effects their money income. It's fairly simple to understand.

Mann has become a rich man from CO2 climate change study. He has received millions in grant money and don't forget the university gets a cut of that money:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001...10931344004278

[Genava]

Mann has become a rich man from CO2 climate change study. He has received millions in grant money and don't forget the university gets a cut of that money:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001...10931344004278

You do realize that grant money is given to pay the researchers, the lab technicians, the analysis, the equipment, the logistics etc. ? It is a funding of a scientific project. When you don’t like the message, attack the messenger...

Here's the way it works for climate study money. Researcher gets money to prove effects of CO2 damage to the climate. University gets cut of that grant money. Fact.

So when a scientist is paid to prove no human effect on the climate but ends by giving evidence for the opposite..?


So when a scientist working for the military industries in the 1950s took his own free time to use his data to verify the CO2 effect and confirmed Callendar and Arrhenius ideas..?
https://www.americanscientist.org/ar...nd-the-climate

[B. W.]

You do realize that grant money is given to pay the researchers, the lab technicians, the analysis, the equipment, the logistics etc. ? It is a funding of a scientific project. When you don’t like the message, attack the messenger...



So when a scientist is paid to prove no human effect on the climate but ends by giving evidence for the opposite..?


So when a scientist working for the military industries in the 1950s took his own free time to use his data to verify the CO2 effect and confirmed Callendar and Arrhenius ideas..?
https://www.americanscientist.org/ar...nd-the-climate

This has already been addressed in this thread. The guy is being paid. Go back and look.

[Daruwind]

This has already been addressed in this thread. The guy is being paid. Go back and look.

So if I get money from research facility/university to pay for bed/bread...that is enough to consider me collaborant? Come on, how do you suppose scientist to live? Right now If I switch to corporate, I would earn 2-3x more money on way less complex stuff...

[Genava]

This has already been addressed in this thread. The guy is being paid. Go back and look.

Your only argument was to say that the Koch brothers were globalists... which is illogical on this subject since they are known deniers and they funded the Heartland and the Cato Institutes. Behind most of the blogs you are referring to, there is people and money from the Koch network. Like the AmericanThinker contributor Norman Rogers, an active member of the Heartland Institute or Joseph Bast whose articles and blog posts were re-used a few times by the AmericanThinker.

[Stario]

Well on the ground the farmers in my family are appalled at the long term trends. People I know in Queensland are seeing a bushfire season in September, that's early spring here. Usually it's early summer (December).

Theres significant climate change occurring in Australia.

I hear you bro! Albeit freezing in Sydney other day 9 degrees, coming back from a warm 28 degrees on the Gold Coast.

The SOLUTION here mate is clearly a DYSON SPHERE!?!

As already established global warming is NOT man made, it is natural- global warming & cooling is cyclical- so yes there will be significant climate change occurring in the future as it did in the past (including Australia as is the rest of the world).
Nothing new here really...

Besides the next two solar cycles 25 + 26 - will be weaker than all of the previous 24, so we shall soon hit the next 'small ice-age' -or maybe not, but the good news for your farmer family is that it looks like we will be cooling in the next few decades...SO HOLD ON!!!!

[Cyclops]

I hear you bro! Albeit freezing in Sydney other day 9 degrees, coming back from a warm 28 degrees on the Gold Coast.

The SOLUTION here mate is clearly a DYSON SPHERE!?!

As already established global warming is NOT man made, it is natural- global warming & cooling is cyclical- so yes there will be significant climate change occurring in the future as it did in the past (including Australia as is the rest of the world).
Nothing new here really...

Besides the next two solar cycles 25 + 26 - will be weaker than all of the previous 24, so we shall soon hit the next 'small ice-age' -or maybe not, but the good news for your farmer family is that it looks like we will be cooling in the next few decades...SO HOLD ON!!!!

Yeah you're not my bro. I tend to go with the science rather than the Koch bros propaganda. A lot of things go into this system but we've been leaning on one of the levers hard for a couple of centuries. Might be coincidence but makes sense to take control of our resource use in any case.

There's literally no good reason to continue ravenously burning everything, we've had mini disasters and bitten the cost of clean up before (eg CFCs and acid rain). No one bribed scientists to lie about the problems then, the cost was acceptable I guess.

This is more costly and the Koch Bros etc. don't want to pay the price, they want to defer it until after they die.

If someone wants to be a foot soldier for a rich Yank be my guest...maybe go live there if they love them so much. I'd like my country less overcooked, they like things blackened in the US I hear.

[Stario]

I tend to go with the science rather than the Koch bros propaganda....
This is more costly and the Koch Bros etc. don't want to pay the price, they want to defer it until after they die....

YEAH that post above was a cool story bro.

Now lets have a look at some science:
https://link.springer.com/article/10...509-019-3500-9

[Genava]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

[B. W.]

The doomsday cult of man-made global warming is becoming satirical fodder for conservative journalists:

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...idiculous.html

[Ludicus]

for conservative journalists...

Reactionaries. We are living in the age of the dictatorship of ignorance.Sometimes ignorance is an excuse, so the question is an ethical question,
Is Ignorance of Climate Change Culpable? - NCBI Sci Eng Ethics. 2017; 23(5): 1409–1430. Published online 2016 Nov 28. doi: 10.1007/s11948-016-9835-5

"...many actions that result in climate harms are performed from a state of ignorance about certain relevant empirical and normative claims. The claims about which the agents in question may be ignorant includes at one or another of the following:

1. Ignorance that climate change is occurring
2. Ignorance that one’s actions contribute in some way to climate change
3. Ignorance that climate change is bad
4. Ignorance that one has any individual obligations in the face of the badness of climate change
5. Ignorance about how to meet such obligations
6. Ignorance about the moral significance of mitigating climate change.
7. Ignorance about which moral theory makes it true that climate change has moral significance"
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Can the rest of the world save itself from climate breakdown without the US?

António Guterres, the UN secretary general, convened this week’s summit precisely because the US and most other countries remain far from honoring their Paris pledges to reduce heat-trapping emissions enough to prevent catastrophic climate disruption.
The events of the coming days – including a global climate strike on 20 September by the activists whose protests in the past year have pushed the term “climate emergency” into news reports around the world – may help answer a question that has loomed over humanity since Trump’s election: can the rest of the world save itself from climate breakdown if the richest, most powerful nation on earth is pulling in the opposite direction?
... Scientists with the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change declared last October in their landmark Special Report on Global Warming of 1.5C that humanity had to slash emissions by 45% by 2030, on the way to net-zero by 2050, to hit the 1.5C target
China, the other climate superpower along with the US, will therefore have to do better as well.