Very good talk with Simon Donner about climate science:
Edit: by the way, the other educative videos that have been put in the thread are also interesting:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Very good talk with Simon Donner about climate science:
Edit: by the way, the other educative videos that have been put in the thread are also interesting:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Last edited by Genava; July 08, 2019 at 03:57 AM.
LOTR mod for Shogun 2 Total War (Campaign and Battles!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIywmAgUxQU
You are quoting him before to respond and he added an "edit" section. Nothing misleading. Calm down.I just noticed that you went back and edited your post 5 days after I responded to it so it would look like my response was made up. That's just pathetic.
LOTR mod for Shogun 2 Total War (Campaign and Battles!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIywmAgUxQU
Ha! Simple edit..that is conspiracy! See, that is way how those "green" organizations are conspiring!
I don't think so. First posting here is not a job so of course obviously grammar and spelling almost always need editing. But second you might find the link or data you really wanted not the one used because you were in a hurry. Unlike the hasty email you can't take back on reflection you decided some statement was not making sense or could have been said differently. It certainly within you ability to grasp a quote and hold so it stands unrevised. If I recall correctly there was an iteration of the form that allowed you see the log of edits. I suppose you could argue politeness might dictate significant alterations so say a chain of replies based on something omitted or not able to react to a major addition might be obvious.When I made a mistake I didn't try to hide it. I took the hit. He should have made his point in another post with a clarification. This was just an attempt at being deceptive. It speaks to integrity, which is clearly lacking.
IN PATROCINIVM SVB Dromikaites
'One day when I fly with my hands - up down the sky, like a bird'
But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all 'We died at such a place; some swearing, some crying for surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left.
Hyperides of Athens: We know, replied he, that Antipater is good, but we (the Demos of Athens) have no need of a master at present, even a good one.
This paper was just published and it refutes the IPCC report on climate change. AWG warming is only 0.01C.
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1907.00165.pdf
Last edited by conon394; July 12, 2019 at 04:05 PM.
IN PATROCINIVM SVB Dromikaites
'One day when I fly with my hands - up down the sky, like a bird'
But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all 'We died at such a place; some swearing, some crying for surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left.
Hyperides of Athens: We know, replied he, that Antipater is good, but we (the Demos of Athens) have no need of a master at present, even a good one.
Mostly circular arguments in this paper. The only way he rejects the contribution of the CO2 is through his own calculation of the forcing, ignoring the basic physics and direct observation of the increasing greenhouse effect:
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley....9/2003GL018765
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley....9/2009JD011800
https://www.researchgate.net/publica..._1970_and_1997
http://asl.umbc.edu/pub/chepplew/jou...eldman_CO2.pdf
Moreover, about the clouds there are enough indication to conclude they are not causing the current warming:
https://science.sciencemag.org/conte...6010/1523.long
LOTR mod for Shogun 2 Total War (Campaign and Battles!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIywmAgUxQU
Personally I must condemn any who stray from my personal beliefs as handed down by the Holy Apostolic Church of St. Al Gore who predicted that by this point the world would be beyond redemption due to apologetically- sun monster- post apocalyptic - ozone layer destroying prophecies. Anyone who denies Al Gore's propephies are obviously racist, sexist, hompophobe etc, etc hate groups for denying SCIENCE. Oh wait. All of this is as best Larping fantasy mode without a moderator and Al Gore is a complete moron but because liberals learn from nothing, they insist the evil sun monster will destroy the earth within 11 years unless we adopt socialism which includes a "living wage" for those who "refuse to work?"
Nice. Exactly how ing stupid do you think we are?
Well I'm not exactly sure what you are replying to - but if it is buying BW's link than sadly and unfortunately you are not scoring points believing it.Nice. Exactly how ing stupid do you think we are?
An unpublished paper almost exclusively supported by unpublished self references is not impressive or even evidence. If you are only referencing your own work you are doing it wrong in hard science. You should be citing the replication paper by a different lead author. 6 references and no data a abstract?
Last edited by conon394; July 12, 2019 at 10:37 PM.
IN PATROCINIVM SVB Dromikaites
'One day when I fly with my hands - up down the sky, like a bird'
But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all 'We died at such a place; some swearing, some crying for surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left.
Hyperides of Athens: We know, replied he, that Antipater is good, but we (the Demos of Athens) have no need of a master at present, even a good one.
So by your own admission then we must fund the lifestyles of people who "refuse to work" in order to safe the planet from global warming and your hilariously smug prediction of imminent planetary extinction and destruction must be respected because why...it fosters your own political agenda? Your self deluding agenda is founded on the glimmer and unsubstantiated basis of "science", but anyone with a basic understanding of theology recognized your ideology for the crap that it is. Almost undeniably you are an athiest or agnostic, someone who spews crap about Chsritianity as being something awful. Oh no! What you'll fail to acknowledge if that you're a cult leader yourself ideiologically speaking. Your original sin is polluting, or simple existing, your redemtive ideology is green methodology, and if I have to explain to you the extent that you are involved in an apocalyptic cult, you've missed the point of environmentalism completely.
No thanks. Your scuba level understanding of policy, as always, just gives me cause to laugh at how awful our lives would be if your ideology wins out.
This video is less than 18 minutes long. It includes an audio conversation with a former IPCC committee head who quit the organization in disgust, accusing them of publishing false information; so much for scientific consensus:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViY2J3LPgN4
Am missing some larger conversation between you two?
"must fund the lifestyles of people who "refuse to work" Who are these people please clarify
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More asked to leave because he is a crank and his shoddy work/cherry picking on sea levels can't stand replication believes in dowsing and conspiracy theory.This video is less than 18 minutes long. It includes an audio conversation with a former IPCC committee head who quit the organization in disgust, accusing them of publishing false information; so much for scientific consensus:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViY2J3LPgN4
Just because you can dig an otherwise solid scientist who happened to also believe in Bigfoot does not refute the consensus that it is a myth.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grover_Krantz
Last edited by conon394; July 13, 2019 at 09:09 PM.
IN PATROCINIVM SVB Dromikaites
'One day when I fly with my hands - up down the sky, like a bird'
But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all 'We died at such a place; some swearing, some crying for surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left.
Hyperides of Athens: We know, replied he, that Antipater is good, but we (the Demos of Athens) have no need of a master at present, even a good one.
If your goal is to change their minds, you are doing bad job Pontifex. If anything, you are just perpetuating the "ideology" (as if you can define it and assume it has consistency within the minds of its "adopters") by defining them as something and painting their side as some cultish ideological hive mind. You think any "liberal" reads these comments and says "wow, I really am just part of a cult... better restructure my entire world view"?
Pointless banter like this is destructive, as it is more likely to initiate biological defense mechanisms that tighten the grip on stances (which people will hold onto more tightly if you associate it with their identity), and destroy every psychological avenue which allows for some form of consensus or understood points of disagreement. At this point, whether you believe that it is a problem or not, climate change is an issue that human beings will hold onto even if you had a mountain of evidence that showed that there is nothing you can do about it. It is deep seeded into identity and culture at this point, so your best bet is push against it is to demonstrate if there are dangerous consequences to certain approaches that are being taken to solve the issue. Or advocate for solutions that you feel are beneficial for both sides (like for example, I'm sure you appreciate a reforestation campaign that could provide you some nice scenery). That way, people who want to fight climate change with approaches that don't hurt our society or threaten stability and people who don't believe/don't care can go on living life. If you present yourself as an enemy or if you perceive them as an enemy, ultimately they give a **** what you think and just perceive you as person that just needs to be beaten. Their "ideology" will go unchallenged, and there is higher risk that they will try to implement programs that you perceive as dangerous because they just view you as a threat to progress (which will lead to conflict).
If you just want conflict, go ahead and just ignore what I just said and keep doing what you are doing. Basil will be recruiting when the libs come for your individuality and try to integrate you into the hive mind (after they fix your undesirable traits of course!) so I'm sure you guys will be in good hands. Once you guys win, let me know when you guys fix human biology to prevent people from creating culture or ideology that might lead to fighting again. Maybe then, I'll come out of the bunker.
Is this meant to somehow invalidate my point about Muller being out right fraudulent!? Cool Story BRO!Originally Posted by Geneva
As I said when the big oil companies where funding Muller, he was a skeptic, now he's funded by the "global warming alarmist" crowd so he now believes climate change is "induced by human activities".
edit:
So now that we finally got all this sorted out lets rewind a bit...
Lets go back to my earlier point that is:
...your NASA + NOAA references we know have been tampered with the data & are therefore STILL false/unreliable...
https://realclimatescience.com/2019/...tipping-point/
Last edited by Stario; July 14, 2019 at 11:06 AM.