Refocusing the Curia on the site

[z3n]

Steam workshop is a real problem that no modding website has figured out how to solve quite yet.

We need to figure out how to solve it and how to retain new & young blood.

Potential solutions

1) Refocusing and rewarding the curia to look outside instead of inside (stop creating new curia positions & proposals that only affect the curia)
2) The mod vault , what can we do about that and what proposals can we come up with ?
3) Aggressively recruiting steam modders by giving them TWC forums -- making connections or offers
4) Creating institutions and positions within the Curia that directly interact with the outside site instead of only within it


Thoughts? Solutions? Problems?

[King Athelstan]

3) Aggressively recruiting steam modders by giving them TWC forums -- making connections or offers

This is certainly something that the site would benefit from, the question is just how to do so.

[Gaius Baltar]

In general I think this is the right idea. Maybe a group modding project.

In the past this idea was batted around by died a slow death via bureaucracy.

[Lifthrasir]

Without bird of ill omen, guys, I'm wondering why you need the curia for this when you're part of the Modding Staff
Honestly, just do it

[Flinn]

Without bird of ill omen, guys, I'm wondering why you need the curia for this when you're part of the Modding Staff
Honestly, just do it

[♔Greek Strategos♔]

Without bird of ill omen, guys, I'm wondering why you need the curia for this when you're part of the Modding Staff
Honestly, just do it

Indeed

[Gaius Baltar]

Without bird of ill omen, guys, I'm wondering why you need the curia for this when you're part of the Modding Staff
Honestly, just do it

Using the Curia to mobilize some resources should be fine. Why not use the Curia?

[z3n]

Well fair point Lifthrasir, Im here because the curia created the modding staff as an idea (Gigantus and hex doing the actual creation part).

I thought we can all continue to collaborate on creating ideas that help the site and try new things.

[♔Greek Strategos♔]

I think Lifth is trying to say that Modding Staffers don't need Curial representation for every step they take and should probably take more responsibilities and actions independently. That's my take on this ofc.

[Gaius Baltar]

I think Lifth is trying to say that Modding Staffers don't need Curial representation for every step they take and should probably take more responsibilities and actions independently. That's my take on this ofc.

No one is asking for Curial representation or guidance. Im not sure where you get that. We are in fact, already members of the Curia.

The Curia is another forum dedicated to communication, and would likely be an access point for many different individuals with different skill sets and ideas. Using the tools provided by the Curia would be a big advantage in creating, organizing and implementing any modding design.

Using the Curia to organize a modding project is an idea probably older than the Curia itself.

[♔Greek Strategos♔]

No one is asking for Curial representation or guidance. Im not sure where you get that. We are in fact, already members of the Curia.

The Curia is another forum dedicated to communication, and would likely be an access point for many different individuals with different skill sets and ideas. Using the tools provided by the Curia would be a big advantage in creating, organizing and implementing any modding design.

Using the Curia to organize a modding project is an idea probably older than the Curia itself.

Are we? Not sure where you get that I don't understand the basic Forum's factions
So what z3n is asking ? are you also proposing the same ?
Well, Lifth and I (probably Flinn too) just discussing z3n's proposition, not the status quo. We already now about that, I suppose

PS
Curia already organized-acknowledged the Modding department. Sooo ?

[Gaius Baltar]

Are we? Not sure where you get that I don't understand the basic Forum's factions
So what z3n is asking ? are you also proposing the same ?
Well, Lifth and I (probably Flinn too) just discussing z3n's proposition, not the status quo. We already now about that, I suppose

PS
Curia already organized-acknowledged the Modding department. Sooo ?

Fair enough, but the Modding Department is an example of what could be accomplished. Or small awards (ex. the curial modding project 2019 award), etc.

[z3n]

I think Lifth is trying to say that Modding Staffers don't need Curial representation for every step they take and should probably take more responsibilities and actions independently. That's my take on this ofc.

Originally I had brainstorming within the thread title and perhaps it would have been more apt, but I removed that since I wanted to emphasize the importance of refocusing the curia since it has had a revolutionary idea in the past, and can continue to create more like these in the future I hope.

Sure I could ignore the curia entirely, despite it serving as an advisory group to the site and not ask for any input aside from those within the modding staff however, I don't think that's very productive since the issue of steam workshop affects the site as a whole and there have been good ideas generated from here in the past. Involving the curia instead of cutting them out completely can't be a bad choice or else that part should simply be excised from the constitution.

Granted, I've had a disappointing amount of input from the curia as a whole thus far but it's worth a shot; it's only 2 or 3 days in.

[♔Greek Strategos♔]

Originally I had brainstorming within the thread title and perhaps it would have been more apt, but I removed that since I wanted to emphasize the importance of refocusing the curia since it has had a revolutionary idea in the past, and can continue to create more like these in the future I hope.

Sure I could ignore the curia entirely, despite it serving as an advisory group to the site and not ask for any input aside from those within the modding staff however, I don't think that's very productive since the issue of steam workshop affects the site as a whole and there have been good ideas generated from here in the past. Involving the curia instead of cutting them out completely can't be a bad choice or else that part should simply be excised from the constitution.

Granted, I've had a disappointing amount of input from the curia as a whole thus far but it's worth a shot; it's only 2 or 3 days in.

Thanks for taking the time to explain it z3n
IMO, the real issue lies in the mixed (still) gray areas of Modding Staff's expertise. lolI should check and properly give his opinion about your proposal too. I agree that we certainly have a problem here (steam workshop) I just don't know what's the best solution-approach, yet.

[Lifthrasir]

I think Lifth is trying to say that Modding Staffers don't need Curial representation for every step they take and should probably take more responsibilities and actions independently. That's my take on this ofc.

This and also due to my own experience with the curia. I've seen the curia having at least 3 opportinities during the 2 last years to be involved in that kind of action for the site and each time, nothing happened. Last time it was for the 3 kingdoms badges competition. So yes, I may be disillusioned but I don't expect anything anymore from the curia for such involvement.

[Flinn]

Call me rude, but the way the Curia works isn't fitted at all with the pace such a "revolutionary" project would need. One can certainly ask for the opinion of the Curia and of membership in general, but the project should be developed and discussed within the Modding Staff, in the places dedicated to that (private fora); the modding staff has been created specifically on this purpose, IMO.

An example: in the Modding Awards committee we discuss internally what we have to discuss, and then when we want the input of membership we post questions, polls, etc either in the Q&S or in the MA fora.

In this case, the "issue" I have with this thread is that it implies that the Curia has to have a direct role in a duty that should be carried out by the Modding Staff (I'm referring to points 2-3; points 1-4 are indeed something the Curia can possibly develop by itself).

[z3n]

Call me rude, but the way the Curia works isn't fitted at all with the pace such a "revolutionary" project would need. One can certainly ask for the opinion of the Curia and of membership in general, but the project should be developed and discussed within the Modding Staff, in the places dedicated to that (private fora); the modding staff has been created specifically on this purpose, IMO.

An example: in the Modding Awards committee we discuss internally what we have to discuss, and then when we want the input of membership we post questions, polls, etc either in the Q&S or in the MA fora.

In this case, the "issue" I have with this thread is that it implies that the Curia has to have a direct role in a duty that should be carried out by the Modding Staff (I'm referring to points 2-3; points 1-4 are indeed something the Curia can possibly develop by itself).

Modding staff was a revolutionary idea in the sense that no modding branch existed from the start of the site until late 2018. Unless you mean a specific solution proposed in the OP is revolutionary? It's definitely not but I don't think I can say why.

No matter how intelligent a person is there is always someone else who can come up with a better idea or help you improve the basis for your existing one. I understand the preference to believe only a select group of people are smart enough to figure something out but I like to believe in other people.

In general I dislike the constant curia bashing as this can still serve as a useful institution if we give it a chance to do so. That might be revolutionary.

[♔Greek Strategos♔]

In general I dislike the constant curia bashing as this can still serve as a useful institution if we give it a chance to do so. That might be revolutionary.

I never bashed or slandered the Curia. They're our favorite elder guys

[z3n]

I never bashed or slandered the Curia. They're our favorite elder guys

Although bashing the curia just isn't the same w/o Halie around.

[Leonardo]

Steam workshop is a real problem that no modding website has figured out how to solve quite yet.

We need to figure out how to solve it and how to retain new & young blood.

Potential solutions

1) Refocusing and rewarding the curia to look outside instead of inside (stop creating new curia positions & proposals that only affect the curia)
2) The mod vault , what can we do about that and what proposals can we come up with ?
3) Aggressively recruiting steam modders by giving them TWC forums -- making connections or offers
4) Creating institutions and positions within the Curia that directly interact with the outside site instead of only within it


Thoughts? Solutions? Problems?

No, Steam are not the only threat out there instead it's time that have changed everything and with time things also changed. Whether it is for the better or worse it doesn't matter.

As for the 3rd, I recall Halie once mentioned that TWC at some point was too aggresive towards modders, thus .org emerged in which directly or indirectly competed with TWC. So, I think we should not make the same mistake that once were made and that's to learn what mistake that had been made in the past.

This is certainly something that the site would benefit from, the question is just how to do so.

I agree that we certainly have a problem here (steam workshop) I just don't know what's the best solution-approach, yet.

I once had a staff position on TAL and my task was to promote TAL as a mod hosting sites for modders when I had the opportunity to do so.

Maybe something similiar here can work and that's to be a sort of a diplomat or a senator, whatever we call it, to be active on other community sites at the same time be active here too. In other words, someone or a few people who can attract modders to TWC to host a modding project here.

But to achieve that requires a lot of work with a lot of changes.

I've had said it many times before and it feels a little boring to repeat myself, but let face it TWC cannot grow and become a well known modding community site at least to be a mod hosting site similiar to what TAL is today (read about project hosting).

The way I see it has to do with the ridiculous low file size of 100 Mb on TWC Download, but somehow I don't see that would change in the near future. Probably never, unless GED wants someone else to take over.

Although bashing the curia just isn't the same w/o Halie around.

I concur.