[Decision] Small & Medium Award for Modders

[z3n]

First of all, I really do appreciate the input! Thanks for that.

Defining these awards by way of comparing them with the Opifex requirements simply beats the purpose of it. Unless I misunderstood the whole purpose of these 'smaller' modding awards. Regretful musing about modders that one thought should have received the Opifex does not help either, collecting pertaining info and nominating them does. My guess is that the 'exceptional' definition level at the time prevented them from being nominated. If that is the issue then it's not an issue for this discussion - although it's certainly an indication what could happen if the proposed awards have the same vague criteria.

Opifex is a bit vague but I feel like it generally has gone to those who deserve it, a few have missed out but generally the award has been awarded properly.

I suspect the people who most strongly deserve the Opifex award and never received it are the EB & EB2 team members (alin, nazgool, paullus etc) and the ITWE settlement creator developers wilddog & makanyane I'm not sure *why* they never received it but it may be just an oversight.


I'm planning on questioning wilddog about it when I get a chance.

Someone publishes a modification that is a bit more then just changing a line or two of code or recolour a texture then give him\her a pat on the back by way of a small award. If there is continued contribution over a given period or quantity then hand out a medium award. Its what I wrote in my previous response and it hasn't changed.

Agreed! Just to be clear, my viewpoint about this hasn't changed either.

Suggestion: seeing that Opifex is basically an elevated award with the same premise I would suggest to stipulate that any of the awards discussed here shall be 'replaced\upgraded' by the Opifex award.

Actually this was my original intention when I first proposed it to Lifth / Kats. However, I then realized I wanted to have the small award recognize modders who do things like releasing the RS2 environments.

The medium award could be upgraded to an Opifex but as it stands the requirements for the medium award are to do with releasing a tutorial and I don't think every Opifex has done that. So merging or upgrading it might not make much sense, since it would assume the previous conditions of the medium award were true.

I am not sure for what reason citizenship is being brought into play - if that's a prerequisite then that's another way to kill my support. I am a firm believer in 'egg before chicken': encourage participation and make that acknowledgement visible. That acknowledged participation will be an incentive and visible marker for anyone interested in promoting members for citizenship.

Citizenship definitely isn't going to be part of my proposal in any way, so no worries there.

[Leonardo]

I suspect the people who most strongly deserve the Opifex award and never received it are the EB & EB2 team members (alin, nazgool, paullus etc) and the ITWE settlement creator developers wilddog & makanyane I'm not sure *why* they never received it but it may be just an oversight.

Makanyane once had the Opifex, but she resigned her citizenship hence for not having the Opifex award.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post15750402

[z3n]

Makanyane once had the Opifex, but she resigned her citizenship hence for not having the Opifex award.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post15750402

Yeah, I tried offering mak citizenship once a few years ago but she said no and explained.

I'm just not sure about wilddog.

[k/t]

So if you do a lot of modding, you get Artifex, and if you do A LOT of modding, you get Opifex?

It would be good to have a minor award for modding, especially one that you can get multiple times. Just make Gigantus ineligible for it, so someone else has a chance to win. Even a one word post from him takes up half a page because of his medals.

[Gigantus]

Just make Gigantus ineligible for it, so someone else has a chance to win. Even a one word post from him takes up half a page because of his medals.

That's why I mentioned the 'upgrade' to Opifex. It actually would be an upgrade anyhow - at the time I got mine primarily for my tutorials (barely a dozen then). And I am running out of display space
It's also not a 'once a year' award if I understand correctly - so others will have a chance, too, provided they fulfil the requirements.

Actually this was my original intention when I first proposed it to Lifth / Kats. However, I then realized I wanted to have the small award recognize modders who do things like releasing the RS2 environments.


The medium award could be upgraded to an Opifex but as it stands the requirements for the medium award are to do with releasing a tutorial and I don't think every Opifex has done that. So merging or upgrading it might not make much sense, since it would assume the previous conditions of the medium award were true.

I was going by the basic premise of all three awards which is progressive acknowledgement of modding contributions. Each of the higher ones presumes to have fulfilled requirements of the prior award - which is an improved level of contributions, not the individual requirements. Not deeming Opifex an 'upgrade' of that improvement premise (because of individual requirements) would seem counter productive.

[AnthoniusII]

Ranks like Artifex and espesialy Opifex have beem humiliated simply by the fact that the desision is taken but a handfull ONLY votes.
An average of 15 votes per votting proceedure is a total mocking to those two ranks.
Despite the fact i resigned the rank of the Artifex i can see the achives of vottings ...None has more than 20 votes.
A spesific votes MUST be added inorder the rank will be given (still by the majority of the positive votes) but if we declair someone an Opifex with 10-15 votes is rediculus!

[Hader]

Ranks like Artifex and espesialy Opifex have beem humiliated simply by the fact that the desision is taken but a handfull ONLY votes.
An average of 15 votes per votting proceedure is a total mocking to those two ranks.
Despite the fact i resigned the rank of the Artifex i can see the achives of vottings ...None has more than 20 votes.
A spesific votes MUST be added inorder the rank will be given (still by the majority of the positive votes) but if we declair someone an Opifex with 10-15 votes is rediculus!

It is not ideal, but lack of overall activity is not something remedied simply by requiring a specific number of votes per proposal.

[AnthoniusII]

It is not ideal, but lack of overall activity is not something remedied simply by requiring a specific number of votes per proposal.

The lack of activity has to do with many reasons. The one that affects the question marked here is that while someone gets a Rank all he/she does is to dispay it for others to see and not taking in account the burden a rank has.
So...the lack of activity is simply a symptom that is making nominations for higher ranks a total mock!
If only 10-15 from the hundreds of civitades ,artifexes and opifexes vote in a nomination that something is smelling aufull here and Administrators must deal with it.
That lack of activity is no excuse ...Admins could sent PMs in everyone has the right to vote for each matter that needs votting inclusing a nomination for a high rank. Its not that hard.

[PikeStance]

This has been brought up before. Once before I became a citizen for sure and I have brought it up as well. Informally, I have sent out PMs to those with a possible interest and I have always had a great response with it. One time, a couple of old participants came back and actually participated in the Curia.

More awards like this won't pique people's interest and it won't generate interest among members either. As I noted, patronage has dropped significantly. I am anticipating this year to be one of the worse years. Large awards have been relatively stable for years but it tends to be members who are more familiar or known by those active in the Curia.

The engine that has been fueling the site has stuttered and we appear have passed the proverbial tipping point. Essentially, without mods, very few will come and without content, very few will stay. In 2011 when I first joined there was probably a dozen or so members chatting away in the CCT, now, it is 2 or 3 (not counting former citizens).

Just to note, when I sent out PMs, the response is about 10%. (The best was 15% but the jury is still out on that).

[k/t]

So what was the decision?

[z3n]

So what was the decision?

I haven't moved it to a vote yet, I'm still plotting with my fellow conspirator.

[AnthoniusII]

The small awards and cerification issues are directly connected,You can find my last answer here: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post15760845

[Gaius Baltar]

Still waiting on the artist renditions from Katsumoto and Liftharsir. I may try a version myself.

[Lifthrasir]

I've sent my stuff to z3n about a month ago if my memory serves me well.

[z3n]

First of all, I apologize for not posting in some time here. I have been busy in the background and also fired off a PM to someone on April 8th requesting some feedback in this thread, that did not happen like I expected within a specific timeframe and I still held off posting about these images.

However, the time has come regardless.

I've sent my stuff to z3n about a month ago if my memory serves me well.

Yep you did, thanks again for that!

Here are the images, the progression could be shown in two ways but to fit the original intent and scope of this proposal

1) Small award
2) Small award model #2
3) Medium award
4) Opifex

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Thoughts?

[Lifthrasir]

In addtion, don't focuse on the position of the pics. This is just due to the fact that my models are 75x75 pixels while the original Opifex is 75x100 pixels. That can be easily be corrected

[Leonardo]

I like the small awards, but the medium award looks too simliar to the Opifex award aside from the color of course.

So, why not have the medium award simliar to the smaller awards, but with the same pixels e.g 75x100 as the Opifex has. I think that makes a difference between the smaller awards and the medium award.

[Araval]

Maybe delete the bigger rings of small and medium awards to make them less similar to Opifex?

[Lifthrasir]

When I made these, it was actually, from left to right: small, medium, large, the current Opifex model being replaced by the large one. Obviously, z3n has decided differently, which is fine from my opinion: his proposal, his choice. I'm just the employee here

@ Araval, not possible or it will look weird

[Leonardo]

@ Araval, not possible or it will look weird

Yep, that's why I suggested to let the medium award to look similiar to the smaller awards, but have the same pixels as the Opifex.