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Thread: Israel elections April 2019, September 2019, March 2020, March 2021.

  1. #601

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    So far the new coalition's term seems to be going well, particularly their judicial overhaul. I've posted a sampling of headlines from the last week with story timestamps. Links are included, but you can get a good idea of the situation from the headlines alone. As far as I can tell, international media has very little interest in the current situation here, which is unusual.

    11 March 2023, 11:06 am 10th week of mass protests nationwide, with overhaul laws potentially only days away

    11 March 2023, 10:38 pm Anti-overhaul protesters call to turn up heat as over 300,000 estimated at rallies

    12 March 2023, 2:51 am Former AG Mandelblit bashes overhaul: ‘Collision is preferable to a bad compromise’

    12 March 2023, 1:34 pm Former Treasury officials: Overhaul will ‘severely, irreversibly’ damage economy

    12 March 2023, 11:27 pm Powerful labor union warns government of action if no judicial compromise reached

    13 March 2023, 7:58 pm Far-right MK Avi Maoz threatens to quit coalition if he doesn’t get promised powers

    13 March 2023, 8:05 pm Police chief said to order senior cops to avoid direct contact with Itamar Ben Gvir

    13 March 2023, 11:37 pm MKs advance bill to prevent High Court ordering a PM recused for conflict of interest

    14 March 2023, 7:55 pm 42 former top legal advisers back AG against government ouster threats

    14 March 2023, 10:39 pm Likud sanctions Edelstein for skipping votes on judicial overhaul

    14 March 2023, 10:53 pm Former Supreme Court chief: Judicial overhaul ‘a recipe for wiping out democracy’

    14 March 2023, 11:42 pm Kohelet, right-wing think tank that inspired overhaul, calls for partial compromise

    15 March 2023, 10:23 am Bank of Israel chief comes out against ‘hasty’ overhaul that could harm judiciary

    15 March 2023, 4:07 pm Man arrested, questioned on suspicion of incitement to Netanyahu’s murder

    15 March 2023, 5:21 pm Likud MKs are afraid of social division, but not enough to take a stand on overhaul

    15 March 2023, 8:06 pm ‘Don’t come back’: Protesters again block airport access, as Netanyahu flight delayed

    15 March 2023, 9:28 pm Warning of civil war, Herzog unveils framework for judicial reform; PM rejects it

    16 March 2023, 4:54 pm Roads blocked, some protesters attacked, in mass demos against overhaul; 21 arrested

    16 March 2023, 8:44 pm Ex-Shin Bet chief fears overhaul could cause agency to ‘disintegrate from within’

    17 March 2023, 6:54 am Health tech leaders warn judicial overhaul will lead to brain drain and funding halt

    17 March 2023, 11:02 am Graffiti on justice minister’s home brands him ‘enemy of the people’

    17 March 2023, 12:28 am Ben Gvir says attorney general must be fired, is acting as de facto opposition chief

    17 March 2023, 12:44 am Levin reportedly says he’s refusing to pause overhaul due to fears of prosecution

    17 March 2023, 11:58 pm Report: Coalition may rush to take over judge selection, slow some other bills

    18 March 2023, 12:46 am Israeli envoy in NY ‘deeply concerned’ by country’s direction as overhaul advances

    18 March 2023, 3:09 am Public split on whether to follow High Court or gov’t in constitutional crisis: poll

    18 March 2023, 4:41 am Protesters attempt to kayak, swim to Netanyahu’s private coastal home

    18 March 2023, 10:57 am Clashes between protesters, police, residents in town where Ben Gvir spending Shabbat

    18 March 2023, 11:35 pm ‘Destroying Zionism’: Masses protest overhaul; rise in violence against demonstrators

    18 March 2023, 11:52 pm Coalition to push ahead with judicial overhaul, bills to assist Netanyahu and Deri

    Today, 7:20 am As violence against protesters escalates, opposition blames Netanyahu’s ‘incitement’

    Today, 9:31 am Hundreds of elite IDF reservists stop showing up for duty over judicial overhaul

    Today, 11:22 am Ex-chief of atomic commission warns overhaul will undercut fight against Iran

    Today, 12:01 pm Sephardic chief rabbi calls for judicial reform dialogue to avoid civil war

    Today, 12:13 pm Coalition heads to hold talks on softening judicial overhaul; opposition: ‘A joke’

    Today, 1:49 pm PM: IDF chief must crack down on insubordination, police on road-blocking protesters

    Today, 3:34 pm Business leaders warn Likud MKs: Judicial overhaul already harming economy
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    You don't seem to be familiar with how the burden of proof works in when discussing social justice. It's not like science where it lies on the one making the claim. If someone claims to be oppressed, they don't have to prove it.


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    This is definitely being reported in Australia, we have something of a diaspora community here (google says just over 100,000 that's less than I thought-my home town of Melbourne has a number of fine synagogues, so I assumed...).

    Bibi's government agenda is being cast in a negative light.

    I hope they can settle this, its horrible to see. Is Bibi trying to castrate the court to save his own arse?
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    Default Re: Israel elections April 2019, September 2019, March 2020, March 2021.

    Well looks like Bibi get his get out jail free card no matter the cost.
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    'One day when I fly with my hands - up down the sky, like a bird'

    But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all 'We died at such a place; some swearing, some crying for surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left.

    Hyperides of Athens: We know, replied he, that Antipater is good, but we (the Demos of Athens) have no need of a master at present, even a good one.

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    Default Re: Israel elections April 2019, September 2019, March 2020, March 2021.

    Israel, for better or worse, isn't viable. They don't possess the demographics to avoid acquiring an arab majority if the state treats people as equal. Not even having a nuke or more can save it - much like it wouldn't for South Africa.
    Ultimately they should have asked for a new state somewhere in post ww2 defeated Germany, where they'd be bordering democracies and it'd be a whole lot better for that country of Israel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyriakos View Post
    Israel, for better or worse, isn't viable. They don't possess the demographics to avoid acquiring an arab majority if the state treats people as equal. Not even having a nuke or more can save it - much like it wouldn't for South Africa.
    Ultimately they should have asked for a new state somewhere in post ww2 defeated Germany, where they'd be bordering democracies and it'd be a whole lot better for that country of Israel.
    Like Birobidzhan? Larger than Palestine and Israel combined. Fertile land. Would likely gain independence during the fall of USSR if it had strong Jewish population.
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    Default Re: Israel elections April 2019, September 2019, March 2020, March 2021.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyriakos View Post
    Israel, for better or worse, isn't viable. They don't possess the demographics to avoid acquiring an arab majority if the state treats people as equal. Not even having a nuke or more can save it - much like it wouldn't for South Africa.
    Ultimately they should have asked for a new state somewhere in post ww2 defeated Germany, where they'd be bordering democracies and it'd be a whole lot better for that country of Israel.
    Well depending on the politics go they could start expelling the arab Israelis. But that seems a step a bit to far I think. Will see if these changes even survive they might be sufficient to galvanize the opposition to get their game in order.
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    But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all 'We died at such a place; some swearing, some crying for surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left.

    Hyperides of Athens: We know, replied he, that Antipater is good, but we (the Demos of Athens) have no need of a master at present, even a good one.

  7. #607

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyriakos View Post
    They don't possess the demographics to avoid acquiring an arab majority...
    You could say the same about France or Sweden. Although your assessment is a bit dated. Within the internationally recognized borders of Israel, the Jewish and Arab birthrates are the same, about 3 per woman, with the Jewish birthrate being just slightly higher (3.05 vs 3.04 in 2019 for example). The Arab birthrate in the West Bank is a bit higher at about 4 per woman, but the parts Israel is most likely to annex are only very sparsely populated by Arabs. The bigger issue is that the Ḥaredi birthrate is 6.7, and that’s unlikely to change. They are currently 12.6% of the population, but by 2050 they are projected to be 24% of the population. At that point Ḥaredi Jews, with their tremendously high birthrate, will by themselves outnumber number Arabs within Israel’s internationally recognized borders. This will certainly change the character of the state, but there will from that time forward be no shortage of Jews.

    Quote Originally Posted by conon394 View Post
    Will see if these changes even survive they might be sufficient to galvanize the opposition to get their game in order.
    The opposition are petitioning the High Court to strike down the law. If they do, this will no doubt be seen as illegitimate by supporters of the “judicial reform”. Israel seems to be headed for a constitutional crisis, for lack of a better term (Israel has no constitution). What happens then is tough to say. Most of the population are opposed to the reform and it is known that most business leaders, banks, labor unions, the internal security agency, and most of the military leadership oppose it. Many see the reform as a sort of soft coup. Nevertheless it is being carried out by legitimately elected officials, and everyone wants to avoid internal conflict as much as possible.

    The expected economic fallout, which is already beginning, might sway some of the more moderate members of the coalition. Yoav Gallant, the current defense minister and member of the Likud party, voted for the reform despite not actually supporting it. He justified this by saying that he would have to resign (or be fired) if he did not, and that he thinks he can do more to moderate policy if he stays in the government. He’s probably not the only one in Likud who feels this way, but they don’t want the government to collapse and return to endless indecisive elections.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enros View Post
    You don't seem to be familiar with how the burden of proof works in when discussing social justice. It's not like science where it lies on the one making the claim. If someone claims to be oppressed, they don't have to prove it.


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    Default Re: Israel elections April 2019, September 2019, March 2020, March 2021.

    Israelis have given up on the two-state solution: Yuval Noah Harari.
    …and instead have largely embraced the establishment of a multi-tiered class system with Jews on top, Yuval Noah Harari, one of Israel’s most prominent public intellectuals, claimed last week.
    Speaking with CNN’s Christiane Amanpour, Harari – a history professor at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem and the author of several international bestsellers, including Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind and 21 Lessons for the 21st Century – asserted that “a lot of the Israeli public has gradually switched from a belief in the two-state solution to at least an implicit belief in the three-classes solution, that you have just one country between the Jordan river and the Mediterranean with three classes of people living there.”

    This includes, he contended, “Jews, who have all the rights; some Arabs, who have some rights; and other Arabs, who have very little or no rights.”
    Yuval Noah Harari: "Israel is on the brink of civil war"

    For decades, Prime Minister Netanyahu has waged a campaign to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons. He warned the world of the dangers posed by a fundamentalist regime with nuclear capabilities. But now Netanyahu is establishing such a regime in Israel. A fundamentalist dictatorship in Israel
    Enough said?
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    I hope Israel can steer through this mess, bloody Netanyahu looks like a crook. Just hope the one functioning more-or-less-democratic state in the region can stop sliding into a corrupt morass like the adjacent countries are.
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    Indeed. Anyway, countries only become true democracies after decolonizing. Israeli demonstrators have been hitting the streets for months to express their dissent against the government's judicial overhaul bill, yet anti-Palestinian legislation is frequently disregarded. The path to resolving a colonial scenario lies in decolonization.
    Palestine and Israel: A Case of Incomplete Decolonization
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    Default Re: Israel elections April 2019, September 2019, March 2020, March 2021.

    I recall the joke: "Palestinians just see Netanyahu as someone who wants to see a peaceful settlement - built over them" ^^
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    Default Re: Israel elections April 2019, September 2019, March 2020, March 2021.

    Indeed. Anyway, countries only become true democracies after decolonizing
    Interesting you never apply that rhetoric to the Russian Empire.
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    But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all 'We died at such a place; some swearing, some crying for surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left.

    Hyperides of Athens: We know, replied he, that Antipater is good, but we (the Demos of Athens) have no need of a master at present, even a good one.

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    Default Re: Israel elections April 2019, September 2019, March 2020, March 2021.

    I think the point about Netanyahu being an opportunist rings a bell, he needs the support of more and more extreme parties because they are growing in numbers and he's alienated the rest: he wants to escape consequences by muzzling the Coutts and they want the courts muzzled for other reasons.

    It's a shame he's willing to trash the courts to escape prosecution, and his allies are seemingly looking to make Israel into what it's enemies falsely accuse it of being, a bigoted apartheid state.

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    Interesting you never apply that rhetoric to the Russian Empire.
    Well they can't decolonise because NATO...and the nukes would launch themselves because Biden...

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