The past elections and the right-wing government are the best things that have happened in Israel in the past three years.
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The past elections and the right-wing government are the best things that have happened in Israel in the past three years.
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There's barely anything right wing about this government. This is probably the worst coalition in this country's history.
Where do I even start, lol.
First of all, "described as right wing" is the correct way to phrase it, because they're not right wing at all, in fact the last coalition was more right wing.
When in opposition they voted down every right-wing law proposed, now that they're in the coalition they're going to double (yes, actually double) welfare for Yeshiva students (aka people who can work but refuse to), remove all reforms that took place regarding the creation of competition in religious services, remove the grandparent clause from the law of return, equalise status and pay for teachers teaching in ultra-orthodox schools (up until now the requirement for that was that those schools must teach some of the basics like maths. Yes, these schools don't even teach maths), allow convicts to act as ministers (even when in violation of the plea deal that was reached), and basically remove separation of powers by gutting the judicial branch, as for example a law that the supreme court ruled to be unconstitutional can be re-instated with a simple majority of 61 votes, which is literally the minimum you need to have a coalition anyway.
To give an example of how absurd this coalition is, when these parties were in opposition they voted down building a metro in Tel-Aviv. The new minister of transportation decided to cancel the construction entirely, because "we shouldn't invest in the Tel-Aviv metro without first building a high-speed rail to Eilat." Now they decided to resume the plans for building the metro anyway.
Said minister also wants to cancel public transport lanes, because "it's not right that these lanes are empty while drivers are in a traffic jam in the regular lanes". Congratulations lady, you've discovered the entire purpose of these lanes.
This is not a right-wing coalition. It is a get out of jail free card for Netanyahu coalition. Its a coalition with left-wing economics and authoritarianism.
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Yes, to me that sounds like a religious coalition alright. I noticed there were quite a few ministers from parties that cater to religious groups and not so specifically to market economy and personal liberties.
Really idiotic about the lanes. I am personally an advocate of as effective public transportation as possible, and I am convinced that it's for the common good to incentivize using it. It even benefits those who must drive a vehicle of their own because of less congested traffic in cities.
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All but Likud cater to some variety of religious group, but that in and of itself is not as much the issue. While the religious zionists (represented by 3 coalition parties, namely the Religious Zionist party, Otzma Yehudit [Jewish might] and Noam) are generally more pro free market and things like working, serving in the army (though ironically the leader of Jewish Might never did) and more favourable towards separation of church (synagogue?) and state, the ultra-orthodox parties are not. They want to turn Israel from a secular state to a religious welfare state, and as part of this goal to also remove separation of power between the branches of government. One of said parties wants the Talmud to be taught in public schools, for example.Yes, to me that sounds like a religious coalition alright. I noticed there were quite a few ministers from parties that cater to religious groups and not so specifically to market economy and personal liberties.
I wonder if they are aware of the precarious situation Israel is in the sense of occupying a physically small country in a dry climate with not exactly the natural resources of the Russian Fedeeration. All the while being surrounded by hostile nations.
I am not an expert on Israeli economy, but it seems like you really need high technology, innovation, and a very effective allocation of resources to stay competitive and fund enough military edge and security services to stay even relatively safe. To me it sounds like a house of cards if you start committing a great deal of time and resources on studying scripture on handouts. As you know, I am not saying that out of spite towards spirituality in general or Judaism in particular. But you must need a lot of people doing maths and working in productive fields.
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Nah man, they'll pray those problems away.
Is the education as bad as the Hasidic Jewish education is in New York?When in opposition they voted down every right-wing law proposed, now that they're in the coalition they're going to double (yes, actually double) welfare for Yeshiva students
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But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all 'We died at such a place; some swearing, some crying for surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left.
Hyperides of Athens: We know, replied he, that Antipater is good, but we (the Demos of Athens) have no need of a master at present, even a good one.
Not one of the things you mentioned is supported by a single party.
The same, maybe worse. But those aren't the Yeshiva students I mentioned in the quote. A Yeshiva is after you finish primary education, kind of like the university equivalent of religious education.
I see. But still completely religious focus. Its not like you are a master of the Torah and can also swing a job coding Python for scientists at a Biotech who need some math or screen scraping done fast?The same, maybe worse. But those aren't the Yeshiva students I mentioned in the quote. A Yeshiva is after you finish primary education, kind of like the university equivalent of religious education.
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'One day when I fly with my hands - up down the sky, like a bird'
But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all 'We died at such a place; some swearing, some crying for surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left.
Hyperides of Athens: We know, replied he, that Antipater is good, but we (the Demos of Athens) have no need of a master at present, even a good one.
Quite as much as Putin didn't stand for office in 2001 on a platform of invading Ukraine and making himself President for Life, but it's clear from what he's said on the record that Bezalel Smotrich in power would do all of those things. Step One in the creation of a dictatorship, removal of judicial review, is being done even as we sit here.
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Oh, no, I think you misunderstood. They don't work. They study Torah their whole lives, living on state subsidies (hooray for the welfare state) and donations. The percentage of Ultra-Orthodox men who work, in general, was 53% last year.
I don't think this is at all true for Smotrich, he's (somehow) the least problematic partner of Netanyahu, and the only one for a free market economy (somewhat, as he still wouldn't cancel the welfare for the ultra-orthodox who refuse to work). It's also something Likud voters would not support, nor would Netanyahu, who is irreligious.
Indeed. Btw, Israel's new government wants to tighten eligibility
---Proposed changes to the new Israeli government's Law of Return, agreed to by coalition partners, could tighten eligibility for immigration to only children of at least one Jewish parent.
That said, Gaza: Why is the region blurry on Google Maps? - BBC
I'll explain why. The Nakba is not over yet *. The ruins of the Bedouin villages of 1948 or the Green Line, (the border established in 1967 between Israel and the neighboring countries), by decision of the Israeli governments, no longer appear on maps. But the traces of the "Nakba" persist.
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The White House has listed the two-state solution in the Israel-Palestine conflict as one of its priorities. National Security Strategy | The White House
Surely that must be a joke. A hard sell.
* “The Three States Solution”, Writing About a Joy That Invades Jenin
Netanyahu’s governmental partner Otzma Yehudit (‘Jewish Strength’) is willing to conduct Palestinicide in order to create a Jewish-only society in the Levant.
The promise of Oslo, a two-state solution, is simply no longer factually possible as the Palestinian state is eroded and contained. The idealistic possibility of a binational state – made up of Israel and Palestine with Palestinians given full citizenship rights – is foreclosed by the Zionist insistence that Israel be a Jewish state, an ethnocentric and anti-democratic option that already treats Palestinians as second-class residents in an apartheid society. Instead, Zionism is in favour of a ‘three-state solution’, namely expelling Palestinians to Egypt, Jordan, and Lebanon.
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Every human society must justify its inequalities: reasons must be found because, without them, the whole political and social edifice is in danger of collapsing”.
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It remains to be seen if this passes, several members of the coalition have said they'd oppose this, such as now Likud member Amihai Shikli.
Not to be too dramatic, but if this does happen then perhaps the time has come for me to seek citizenship elsewhere.
Uh, no? Not even remotely true?Instead, Zionism is in favour of a ‘three-state solution’, namely expelling Palestinians to Egypt, Jordan, and Lebanon.
I hope that never happens.But if this huge misfortune happened to a Russian Jew, what would happen to the Palestinians?
The religious Zionism, particularly this new government.
What do Otzma Yehudit and its leaders stand for?
In a interview for The Land of Israel podcast, Marzel said that he believed that “the majority” of Arab citizens of Israel are enemies.
...Otzma’s platform talks of “encouraging” Arab emigration from Israel, the West Bank and Gaza, but does not stipulate what kind of encouragement will be sought.
Il y a quelque chose de pire que d'avoir une âme perverse. C’est d'avoir une âme habituée
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Every human society must justify its inequalities: reasons must be found because, without them, the whole political and social edifice is in danger of collapsing”.
Thomas Piketty
No not a joke just repeating what the Democrats would back. Obviously given the absolute no reward any US president has got for investing in this not really a thing. But just putting a marker down. A Biden with a happy fun relationship with China, no war in Ukraine a growing economy and a sufficient majority in the house and senate to say actually pass a treaty - it could be something but its necessary place holder and again not a joke. There is only so much political capital to be spent and the two state solution one way or the other does not firm up the prospects of whomever will run to replaced Stabenow in Michigan or keep a very annoying Manchin in his improbable seat in WV beyond just saying it still the us position.The White House has listed the two-state solution in the Israel-Palestine conflict as one of its priorities. National Security Strategy | The White House
Surely that must be a joke. A hard sell.
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IN PATROCINIVM SVB Dromikaites
'One day when I fly with my hands - up down the sky, like a bird'
But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all 'We died at such a place; some swearing, some crying for surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left.
Hyperides of Athens: We know, replied he, that Antipater is good, but we (the Demos of Athens) have no need of a master at present, even a good one.
According to this poll, 60% of Likud voters think that Likud has made too many concessions to the other parties in the coalition. Easy for them to say, they're not the ones facing corruption charges if the coalition falls apart.
On a related note, barely 1 in 5 Israelis think it's alright for Deri to be a minister. For those that don't know, Deri's been convicted multiple times on various corruption charges. A recent High Court ruling forced him out his ministerial position, but there's talk among some in the coalition of getting him back in as part of their proposed judicial overhaul.
They want to make the judges wear overalls? That's terrible!
Nothing much, so long as separation of powers is preserved. Which I certainly hope will remain the case.
Religious zionism is a broad term. While the Religious Zionist party monopilized the name, in reality they can be anywhere on the political spectrum. Bennet is a religious zionist and has shunned Ben Gvir time and again, Matan Kahana is a religious zionist and is in Gantz's party. There are left-wing religious zionists.The religious Zionism, particularly this new government.
What do Otzma Yehudit and its leaders stand for?
Religious zionism does not entail a political stance, it is merely a contra to ultra-orthodoxy, which is non-zionist.