Israel elections April 2019, September 2019, March 2020, March 2021.

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Both do. But of course they are not Arabs so they cant be terrorists.

In neither example were civilians the intended target. Feel free to make an argument claiming otherwise, but just saying that they fit the definition won't make it so.

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Labour has now also agreed to join Netanyahu's government, and will be getting 2 of the offices that were promised to Gantz (Economy and Welfare, yay Socialism..). This will very likely be the final nail in the coffin for the party, and certainly for its leader, Amir Perez, who in a campaign stunt had shaved his famous moustache and said "I did this so you could read my lips: I will not join Netanyahu's coalition."

As for Blue and white, contrary to initial reports, it is Gantz's portion of the party that will keep the name, while the other 2 constituent member parties will merge to form Yesh Atid-Telem. This is due to the fact that the larger party gets to keep the name, and while originally the larger party would have been Yesh Atid-Telem, that recently changed. 2 members of Telem, who had opposed the formation of a minority government supported by the Joint List, quit the party to form their own party, Dereh-Eretz (roughly translated as Courtesy) with the intention of also joining Netanyahu's coalition. Somewhat less significantly, a member of Gantz's party defected to Yesh Atid, while a member of Yesh Atid defected to Gantz.

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IDF perpetrated terrorism..? such as?

Israel faces human shield claim

B'Tselem also has many testimonials on their practices. Including the unnecessary night raids in Hebron and child detention without charges.

I'm not aware of any Judeo-Supremacists in Netanyahu's coalition, feel free to point them out and I'll join you in condemning them.

Ovadia Yosef said Arabs should die from a plague. I remember he also called them snakes or something similar and that Israel should therefore exterminate them all. He was the ideologue behind Shas until his death circa 2012 or something. And Shas has always been in the government. And Netanyahu is the PM since 2009.

Who supports settler terrorism in the government? I'll condemn that too.

I mean, when the government does literally nothing to stop it AND provides conditions so it's perpetuated (for example, IDF soldiers often stand idly by settlers shooting or throwing rocks at Palestinian farmers, schools and houses), that's veiled support, right?

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Ovadia Yosef said Arabs should die from a plague. I remember he also called them snakes or something similar and that Israel should therefore exterminate them all.

He said:

“May all the nasty people who hate Israel, such as Abbas, vanish from our world. May God strike them down with the plague along with all the nasty Palestinians who persecute Israel.”

And:

Shas’ spiritual leader is not exactly known for his tolerance towards Israel’s neighbors. In a public sermon in 2001 he called Arabs “snakes” and “ants” and said.

"It is forbidden to be merciful to them. You must send missiles to them and annihilate them. They are evil and damnable."

He tried later to explain himself in an interview with Arabic newspapers where he called for peaceful coexistence and said that his words had been directed at "Those low-lifes who were responsible for shedding the blood of Israelis.”

The two Arabic language newspapers were Al-Watan (Kuwait) and Asharq Al-Awsat. His first language was Arabic of course.

Note from the first linked article:

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas paid tribute to the late Shas leader and former chief rabbi Ovadia Yosef, who died Monday at the age of 93.

During a meeting with 12 MKs at his office in Ramallah, Abbas asked the Israeli lawmakers to send his condolences to the revered rabbi’s family in the name of the Palestinian people.

Ovadia Yosef wasn't a one dimensional character:

From the beginning of the Oslo process, some prominent rabbis and religious leaders ruled that, although settling the Land of Israel is an important commandment, negotiating peace is of even greater importance, citing the importance placed in the Torah on pikuach nefesh, the preservation of human life. “I have put before you life and death, blessing and curse. Choose life – if you and your offspring would live – by loving the Lord your God” (Deuteronomy 30:19).

This approach was articulated by the late Rabbi Yosef Dov Soloveichik, who lived in the U.S. and was regarded by many modern Orthodox Jews, including Israelis, as the leading authority of his generation. Opposing the rabbinical rulings that gave exclusive emphasis to sovereignty in the Land of Israel, and noting the centrality of pikuach nefesh, his view was that policy decisions on these issues are best left to the professional military and political authorities.

Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, the former Sephardic Chief Rabbi of Israel and founder of the Shas political party, adopted a similar position. (Poll data suggests that Shas supporters tend to be more hawkish than the party’s leadership, but in most cases the voters are willing to accept the religious and political authority of the rabbinical leadership. Shas was a member of the Netanyahu government coalition, but often attempted to exert a moderating influence on policies related to the peace process.)

In a series of scholarly articles and public declarations, Rabbi Yosef stated that the positive commandment to settle the land is overridden by the commandment to avoid unnecessary loss of life. Thus, he declared that “If the heads of the army with the members of the government declare that lives will be endangered unless territories in the Land of Israel are relinquished, and there is the danger of an immediate declaration of war by the neighboring Arab [states],…and if territories are relinquished the danger of war will be removed, and that there are realistic chances of lasting peace, then it appears, according to all the opinions, that it is permissible to relinquish territories of the Land of Israel…[according to the principle of] pikuach nefesh. (In the same article, however, Rabbi Yosef also notes that military officers, government officials, and security experts are divided, and some have concluded that withdrawal from territories could increase the dangers, and that these views should also be considered.)

Rabbi Yosef has also been active in meeting with Arab leaders. In July 1989, Rabbi Yosef met with Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, and in May 1997 a Palestinian official said Yassir Arafat would welcome Rabbi Yosef’s help in renewing the then-stalled peace talks.

But you missed his most controversial statement:

In a sermon given on Saturday on laws concerning what non-Jews are permitted to do on Shabbat, Yosef said: "Goyim [non-Jews] were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel."

His apologists might say at age 91 he was a bit senile, or one could assume his filter had merely come off, though considering the number of things he said over his lifetime that upset Jews, he probably never had much of a filter.

For example:

The six million Holocaust victims were reincarnations of the souls of sinners, people who transgressed and did all sorts of things that should not be done. They had been reincarnated in order to atone.

The old guy's colorful comments aside, I can't think of any policies Shas supports that could be considered supremacist. Their advocacy for Sephardi/Mizrahi and Haredi interests isn't any more bigoted than the Joint List's advocacy of Arab and Muslim interests.

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There are multiple reasons as to why this might have been done: The house might have been built illegally, or it may be the house of a terrorist, in which case by Israeli law it ought to be demolished.

Israel faces human shield claim

An article from 2004..? Is that the best you can do?
There is very little information about this case, but this article provides a quote from the IDF:

A spokesman for the Israeli police, Supt Gil Kleiman, said: "We got information which gave us suspicion that certain procedures with regard to dispersing rioters wasn't being abided by and there was a suspicion of prima facie evidence that a criminal offence might have been committed."

This means that the action undertaken by the soldiers in this case, likely due to an order by their commander, is in breach of the law and is a criminal offence, and quite clearly not official policy. Couldn't find a followup to this story.

B'Tselem also has many testimonials on their practices. Including the unnecessary night raids in Hebron and child detention without charges.

I don't see how a 3rd party can decide whether or not a raid is necessary.
Yes, brief detentions without charges do occur. That's not terrorism.

Ovadia Yosef said Arabs should die from a plague. I remember he also called them snakes or something similar and that Israel should therefore exterminate them all. He was the ideologue behind Shas until his death circa 2012 or something. And Shas has always been in the government. And Netanyahu is the PM since 2009.

Any evidence that actual members of Shas hold such positions, or have acted in any way to enforce them?
If this is the best you can do, you clearly have no case.

I mean, when the government does literally nothing to stop it AND provides conditions so it's perpetuated (for example, IDF soldiers often stand idly by settlers shooting or throwing rocks at Palestinian farmers, schools and houses), that's veiled support, right?

The government is much more harsh on settler perpetrated terrorism than one would expect, considering how rarely it leads to deaths. Standing by settlers shooting? I'll need a source for that.
As for throwing rocks, the IDF also doesn't always take actions when the Arabs do it, is that also veiled support?

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I don't know why I bother responding you when you will shrug off anything I say due to your bias.

So because it happened in 2004 it's not terrorism? So because it's 'legal' it's not terrorism? Collective punishment is not terrorism?

B'Tselem is not a third party, they are all ex-IDF!

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By definition a state can commit war crimes, but never direct terrorism. They can however conspire with terrorists.

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I don't know why I bother responding you when you will shrug off anything I say due to your bias.

I didn't shrug off anything, I addressed your entire post.

So because it happened in 2004 it's not terrorism? So because it's 'legal' it's not terrorism? Collective punishment is not terrorism?

I gave reasons beyond it being very old.
It's not terrorism because it isn't violence against civilians.
I'm not aware of a definition describing collective punishment as terrorism.

B'Tselem is not a third party, they are all ex-IDF!

No, they're not. You're confusing B'Tselem with Breaking the silence. Two different, albeit similar, groups.

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As Gantz's Time Runs Out, Netanyahu No Longer in a Rush to Form Emergency Gov't


Minutes before the unity coalition agreement was to be signed, Netanyahu demanded control of meetings of the Judicial Appointments Committee. The two sides have had no contact since

The common assumption in political circles is that Netanyahu is still interested in an agreement with Gantz, but in complete contradiction to the coronavirus urgency he broadcast at first. When President Reuven Rivlin gave Gantz the mission of forming a new government and the "opposition" threatened to advance legislation that would prevent a criminal defendant from forming a new government, Netanyahu felt the pressure. But now after Gantz broke up his party and his time is running out, Netanyahu is in no hurry at all.

[...]


De facto, Gantz has almost finished the period of his mandate from Rivlin to form a government. It will end on April 13. He plans on asking Rivlin for an extension of another 14 days. It is highly unlikely Rivlin will agree to it, because Gantz has no possible government, not even on paper. The unity government in discussions had Netanyahu at its head, and of the 61 members of Knesset who recommended Gantz for prime minister after the third election, less than 20 still support him.


The president will have two options: To ask Netanyahu to form a new government, or to skip over this stage and send the decision directly to the Knesset, for a period of 21 days. If a new government is not sworn in by then, Israel will once again face an election, this time in mid-September, or at the very earliest date possible given the pandemic. Until then, Netanyahu remains prime minister.

Didn't he think that, now that his party is in shambles, Netanyahu could simply avoid forming a government, getting a new election which he will easily win and take everything. Congratz Gantz! You're the biggest loser today!

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Didn't he think that, now that his party is in shambles, Netanyahu could simply avoid forming a government, getting a new election which he will easily win and take everything. Congratz Gantz! You're the biggest loser today!

From the outside looking in I don't really think much of Netanyahu, but damn he seems to a pol you really don't want to face no matter if he looks to be in a corner or on top.

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From the outside looking in I don't really think much of Netanyahu, but damn he seems to a pol you really don't want to face no matter if he looks to be in a corner or on top.

Netanyahu has been doing that for over 10 years. For everything bad he is, he is also like the master politician in the world. Every single time he gets a reversal and stuns everyone. Gantz was naive.

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Congratulations Gantz, you suck

President Rivlin Denies Gantz's Request for Extension to Form Government

Gantz, who is still negotiating a unity deal with Netanyahu, has until Monday at midnight to form a government

According to the Rivlin, if Netanyahu and Gantz do not sign an agreement by midnight Monday, "the mandate will be returned to the Knesset and a 21-day period will begin in which Knesset members will be able to form a majority for recommending an agreed-upon candidate." This candidate will have 14 days to try to form a government.

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In another development, Gesher party lawmaker Orli Levi-Abekasis, who ran on a left-wing slate together with the Labor and Meretz parties, called on Rivlin Sunday to task Netanyahu with forming a government.


"There is only one way to get out of this maze, and that is to give Netanyahu the mandate, because only he has a chance of forming a government," she wrote on Facebook.
A short time later, Netanyahu responded on social media, saying: "Orli, welcome."

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So 4th elections coming?

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So 4th elections coming?

No, I don't think so. Gantz amassed defectors and in practice destroyed this own party. He'll have to bend. Otherwise Netanyahu will obliterate him in the next elections.

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So 4th elections coming?

Nah, it's just a play by Netanyahu to get a deal more favourable to him. Gantz knows he'd be wiped out if a new election were to take place.

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The two sides have finally come to an agreement and a deal has been signed, resulting in what is going to be the largest coalition in Israels history with 32(!) ministers, later to be expanded by a further 4.
Blue and white, Labour, Gesher and Dereh Eretz will all be joining Netanyahu's coalition with an agreed rotation for the post of prime minister: Netanyahu for a year and a half, followed by Gantz for another year and a half. The first 6 months will be an "emergency government". Labour's 3rd place, Merav Michaeli, will act as an opposition member despite being part of the coalition.
Blue and white will receive 16 posts within the government (part of their 16 will go to Labour and Dereh Eretz), including the following ministries: Foreign (half a term) - Gabi Ashkenazi, Defence - Gantz, Justice - Avi Nisankorn, Economy - Amir Peretz (Labour), Welfare - Itzik Shmuli (Labour), Aliyah (immigration) - Pnina Tamno-Shata (Yesh aAtid member who defected to Blue and white), culture and sports - Hili Troper, Media - Yoaz Hendel (Dereh Eretz), Agriculture - Alon Shuster, "Strategic matters", Tourism, Social justice - Hili Troper, Diaspora, Science and space and finally a Minister of minorities to be appointed by Gantz.
Additionally Orli Levi (Gesher party's only member of Knesset) will be given one of Likud's ministries.

As part of the deal the Nation-state law shall remain unchanged and the coalition will begin preparations to annex territories allocated to Israel by the Trump plan can begin after July 1st (but would of course have to be voted upon by the Knesset).

Now there is some uncertainty over the status of Yamina within the coalition. Currently they hold 3 ministries: Defence (Which is going to Gantz now), Education and Transport. Netanyahu is offering Yamina 2 ministries in the new coalition contrary to their demand for 3, and Yamina's leadership in turn responded by stating "Netanyahu is showing us the way out." The demand for 3 ministries does not seem too absurd when considering the fact that all 2 of Labour's members who will join the coalition will receive a ministry, as well as the one seat party of Gesher, in other words 2 parties totalling 3 seats would receive more than a unified party of 6 seats.

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What does Netanyahu get to do with emergency government? Notable Gantz will not get that.

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What does Netanyahu get to do with emergency government? Notable Gantz will not get that.

It's better for Gantz. The coalition has an expiration date, and Netanyahu is facing charges right now. If Covid measures go sour on Iraelis, Gantz may have a better chance of retaining his PM post.

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It's better for Gantz. The coalition has an expiration date, and Netanyahu is facing charges right now. If Covid measures go sour on Iraelis, Gantz may have a better chance of retaining his PM post.

Unlikely, the rate of recovery in Israel has surpassed the rate of infection about a week or so ago. Over a third of infected Israelis have recovered as of today (it was a quarter just 2 days ago).

What does Netanyahu get to do with emergency government? Notable Gantz will not get that.

Honestly not 100% sure. As part of their agreement during this period only laws relevant to the Corona crisis may be passed and that's as much as I know about it.

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Unlikely, the rate of recovery in Israel has surpassed the rate of infection about a week or so ago. Over a third of infected Israelis have recovered as of today (it was a quarter just 2 days ago).

Unlikely, yes, but what else does Gantz have to bet right now? Only the charges and the coronavirus pandemic. Netanyahu, in turn, will probably try to trigger elections before Gantz assume the PM post.