Deteriorating Situation in Venezuela

[conon394]

FED and central banks

Last time i checked Hamilton's plan for ensure the USA not being a basket case ex colonial country kinda included a central bank

[Daruwind]

Well US sanctions say the US is making its bet. From what I read the US is place where Venezuela crude gets refined. Maybe some in Mexico but in general Maduro is loosing his wealth source.

Not only that. Venezuela is exporting to USA, China and Russia mostly. But later two are getting oil as payment for their loans. Only place where Venezuela was getting hard cash for oil was ...USA.

I had nice graph with current Venezuelan oil exports estimations, cannot find the link right now

[Caduet]

But I thought you were a far right capitalist caduet

Communism and capitalism are two sides of the same coin. Economic policies should serve the nation. Nations shouldn't serve economic dogmas. Anyone who describes themselves as a capitalist or a commie is cut from the same cloth and deserves the same fate.

legend's post was dumb and the hypocrisy warranted highlighting.

[Heathen Hammer]

Last time i checked Hamilton's plan for ensure the USA not being a basket case ex colonial country kinda included a central bank

Huh? What evidence do you have for that?

[Love Mountain]

What do you want evidence for? Precisely?

[Ludicus]

Bernie Sanders

The US has a long history of inappropriately intervening in Latin American nations; we must not go down that road again.

It's just more of the same,

Readings & Flowcharts - The Flow of History A Dynamic and Graphic Approach to Teaching History

FC148B — The US and Latin America



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. Economic policies should serve the nation.

Absolutely. During the Chavez years, social policies were controlled by the state but, contrary to popular belief, Venezuela’s economy did not become socialist: private sector control of economic activity increased from 65% to 71% between 1999 and 2011.

My memory does not betray me,

Joint message by the President of the European Council, on the passing away of President Hugo Chávez

The European Union has received with sadness the news of the passing away of the President of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela, Hugo Chávez. Venezuela has stood out for its social development and for its contribution to South America's regional integration.

[Prodromos]

That is the dumbest picture I've seen all week. Copy-pasted straight from FSB, no doubt.

Anyway, looks like Maduro is acting like a tough guy.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nicolas...ce-2019-01-30/

Thousands of Venezuelans hit the streets Wednesday afternoon, waving flags and shouting. One protester said they've had enough of an oppressive regime under President Nicolas Maduro.

These protests were peaceful, a relief after last week's mass unrest when security forces killed more than 40 people. But Maduro responded to the protests with a show of force. State TV broadcast pictures of him with his military.

His message is clear. No amount of pressure from inside or outside the country, can force him out with loyal troops. Maduro also had a specific warning for the U.S. A military intervention in Venezuela, he said, would turn into another Vietnam.

Meanwhile, Maduro's opponent, Juan Guaidó, joined protests in Caracas Wednesday afternoon. The man now recognized by the U.S. as interim president told supporters he was committed to holding free elections.

He's going down either the Ben Ali way or the Qaddafi way. It's up to him. Either way, he's going down.

[NorseThing]

For what it is worth -- Venezuela's problems became worse due to the oil wealth and not because of the oil wealth. Nationalization of the oil is not necessarily bad, but it put more cash in the hands of the government that was already before Chavez a mess.

A short snip from Foxnews article:

Furthermore, Venezuela owes a total of more than $120 billion just to China and Russia. Both Beijing and Moscow are, according to geopolitical experts, worried that if Maduro falls, their already-strained budgets will take a major hit.
Russia’s tight relationship with Venezuela dates back to the reign of Hugo Chavez, and in the ensuing years, Venezuela has been one of the few in the international community to back Russia’s involvement in Syria and Ukraine. But most importantly, Russia’s state-run oil company Rosneft has an especially deep-rooted interest in Maduro’s government.
Two years ago, Rosneft took an almost 50 percent stake in the U.S-based oil company Citgo, which is owned by Venezuela’s energy conglomerate PDVSA. Citgo serves as collateral on Venezuela’s debts to Rosneft, and fundamentally gives Russia strategic sway in Latin America – a region where the U.S. once had significant weight.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/why-ru...ezuelas-maduro

I think how Citgo goes, so goes the economy in Venezuela under a Socialist death grip. Maduro simply overplayed his hand with the last election. He needs to go.

[Ludicus]

That is the dumbest picture I've seen all week.Copy-pasted straight from FSB, no doubt.

This is the dumbest comment I have heard today. Follow the link provided.

[Love Mountain]

Bernie Sanders



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Honestly, this should be extended to South America if it wants to talk about Chile. South America and Latin America are a lot more connected and can certainly be discussed as one region. Especially when we consider just how much US involvement there was in South America. Peru, Bolivia, Colombia, Brazil, Chile, Argentina... Am I missing any other country that had major US involvement in it?

[NorseThing]

This is the dumbest comment I have heard today. Follow the link provided.

Which link? The outline to the entire world history? No time. The video on Bernie? Again no time. What does any of this have to do with Venezuela's problem today? Maduro cheated and got caught. Now he is staying put just like any run of the mill South American dictator in the past. He has the support of Russian and China curiously for only Russia and China to pester the USA. The loong history of USA intervention is not even really n issue here except Maduro is using it to cling to power.

Protesters in Venezuela keep pressure on Maduro - NBC News

https://www.nbcnews.com/.../venezuel...essure-maduro-...





4 hours ago - “We are staying in the streets,” opposition leader Juan Guaidó said to students. ... Thousands of Venezuelans took to the streets across the nation on Wednesday to demand an end to Nicolas Maduro’s presidency. ... Breaking down the power play in Venezuela between Maduro and Guaido.

This is what Maduro really fears, not USA intervention.

[Ludicus]

Which link? The outline to the entire world history.

Yes. Is that a rhetorical question? "The picture",he said.

What does any of this have to do with Venezuela's problem today?...The long history of USA intervention is not even really n issue here

No, it's just more of the same. Bolton essentially admitted US policy in Venezuela is focused on American oil companies taking over the huge country's oil reserves:"It will make a big difference to the United States economically". Bolton's "Troyka of Tyranny", the new axis of evil, is conveniently selective.

The video on Bernie?

Bernie? no, Ron Paul. It's nice video, some inconvenient truths.

This is what Maduro really fears, not USA intervention

Don't be naive.The Army backs Maduro.
What we (the world) should do? - we should support, new/fair elections and... self-determination

[NorseThing]

The Military backed Chavez. I am not so certain they will back Maduro. This is not the same time and oil prices are too soft for the Chavez economic model.

In any case, Bolton is just tweaking the media with his somewhat transparent notepad prank. I would not be surprised at the next State of the Union address, the media reverts back to the media counting Kremlin positions on a parade strategy to see what they could unveil from the administration.

http://time.com/5516920/inside-john-...as-government/

I think TIME understands that Bolton is playing with the media.

[Aexodus]

self-determination

Tbf, Maduro doesn’t support it either.

[Prodromos]

Tbf, Maduro doesn’t support it either.

The Far Left doesn't care about democracy, human rights or peace. See, e.g., their fervent support for Castro, Chavez and other leftist dictators. Rather, opposition to real, or more often fabricated, American infringements against democracy, human rights or peace simply serves as a pretext for fomenting hatred against America. When you hate America, you can find yourself defending some pretty interesting regimes.

[Heathen Hammer]

What do you want evidence for? Precisely?

The claim in the post I quoted.

[tgoodenow]

Every single person calling for the US to stay out of Venezuela will be the same people telling the US how they have a responsibility to take in Venezuelan refugees when it finally falls apart.

[Cyclops]

The Far Left doesn't care about democracy, human rights or peace.

Smack that strawman, smack it hard.

See, e.g., their fervent support for Castro, Chavez and other leftist dictators.

These guys (probably murderous thugs) were more popular with their people than our murderous thugs.

Rather, opposition to real, or more often fabricated, American infringements against democracy, human rights or peace simply serves as a pretext for fomenting hatred against America.

Guys like Batista and Pinochet and Noriega and Saddam Hussein make it pretty easy.

When you hate America, you can find yourself defending some pretty interesting regimes.

Likewise if you're allied to the US. Saudi Arabia might be the worst regime on the planet, but Trump fondles King Salman's glowing ball and tweets war against moderate Qatar.

The world is pretty simple if you shut your eyes, takes courage to look at your country and admit they are crashing countries to profit a few billionaires. The US gives zero ****s about the people of Venezuela, they care about the oil. South America is a US playground, other nations should keep out, but try not to murder too many peons or you make Cstro a better option than Old Glory.

[Prodromos]

Thanks for demonstrating my point, Cyclops!

[Cyclops]

Thanks for demonstrating my point, Cyclops!

Pretty sure you have none.